On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 4:43 AM, Ed Minch  wrote:

> All
>
> The Schwarz has a blog about saw tills in which he tries to find the source
> of the group project saw till design from a number of years ago - he says
> 2000, but can it be?
>

Well, Samuel posts to the list about it in 1999, claiming it was first
proposed Jul 2

http://swingleydev.com/archive/get.php?message_id=68274&submit_thread=1#message

Unfortunately, the link at Shavings.net is now gone.  But I think I have a
copy at work

http://swingleydev.com/archive/get.php?message_id=64674#message

Kirk in HMB, CA
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On Sep 7, 2011, at 06:09 , Kirk Eppler wrote:

> Unfortunately, the link at Shavings.net is now gone.  But I think I have a
> copy at work

FWIW, I posted a PDF of the saw till plans here:

https://files.me.com/amaxwell/ggzixx

I copied it from archive.org's mirror of shavings.net a couple of years
ago, and wish I'd pulled the whole site.

Adam
Port Angeles, WA

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All

The Schwarz has a blog about saw tills in which he tries to find the
source of the group project saw till design from a number of years ago
- he says 2000, but can it be? He asks if anyone has the a book or
  article that shows where the design came from as he cannot find one.

http://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/chris-schwarz-
blog/on-storing-handsaws-and-backsaws?et_mid=517394&rid Ed Minch

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On Sep 7, 2011, at 7:43 AM, Ed Minch wrote:
>
> The Schwarz has a blog about saw tills in which he tries to find the
> source of the group project saw till design from a number of years ago
> - he says 2000, but can it be? He asks if anyone has the a book or
> article that shows where the design came from as he cannot find one.
>
> http://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/chris-schwarz-
> blog/on-storing-handsaws-and-backsaws?et_mid=517394&rid
When I saw Chris's question I kinda chuckled because when the group
project was done, it was re-creating the saw till I had already built
about a year before. I am not making any claim as to originality here --
in fact, I have no idea where the idea for the design came from. I'm
jus' sayin' that I believe it is such an obvious solution for a shop
environment (not to argue the merits of a tool box saw till, if ya know
what I mean) that I doubt it is patentable.

Bill
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The sawtill was a group project of the OLDTOOLS group and I don't
remember any historical references, but do recall that there were
several already built rough versions of the till. After much discussion
about how to best store saws the group settled on vertical and from
there the design was refined and finalized. I still have and use the
till featured in Popular Woodworking and it holds 20-30 saws. It sits
next to my Foley equipment(filer, toother and jointer) which allows me
to take beater saws and bring them back to life. The jointery of the
till could be better, and did have to be re-glued. The shelve at the
bottom is very handy and the file storage at the top is unused since I
have it french cleated to the wall above my main bench.

To better understand my obsession with saws, see the Disston panther saw
and flying eagle saw handles that I have carved. http://galootcentral.c-
om/index.php?option=com_copperminevis&Itemid=2&place=gallery&cat=10358

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The Sawtill was project #2.  What was Project #1?

Frank Filippone
Red735i@e...

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The group project that has the vertical saws and the three drawers on
the bottom was discussed in Summer 1999:
Threads begin with message 64674 and 68417.
That's when I built mine.
In 1998 there was talk on the list about a similar concept with dowels
and vertical parts that attached to the floor joists of your basement
work cave.

Seeing the many dead internet links that come up when looking at a 12
year old thread shows the way information is still being lost even
though saving it is one of the goals of this list.

-- 
Erik von Sneidern
www.disstonianinstitute.com

On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 07:43 -0400, Ed Minch wrote:
> All
> 
> The Schwarz has a blog about saw tills in which he tries to find the  
> source of the group project saw till design from a number of years ago  
> - he says 2000, but can it be?  He asks if anyone has the a book or  
> article that shows where the design came from as he cannot find one.

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On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:39 PM, Erik von Sneidern wrote:

> The group project that has the vertical saws and the three drawers on
> the bottom was discussed in Summer 1999:

Is it time for another group project?  Maybe we could do this on a  
regular basis and get an article in PW?  How about a removable bench  
tool tray?  Plane storage?  6 pack holder?  Saw bench?

Ed Minch

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> In 1998 there was talk on the list about a similar concept with dowels
> and vertical parts that attached to the floor joists of your basement
> work cave.

Dang. Now there's an idea that would work in my shop.
A couple of "U" shaped boxes, some dowels to hold the handles of the
saws, a piece of narrow PVC pipe to act as the pivot hinge going
through holes in the other end of the boxes (and the floor joists). A
couple hooks to hold them up to the ceiling ("Or would hard drive
magnets be strong enough to hold magnetically" he thought out-loud.)

Darren Addy
Kearney, Nebraska
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Ed & other Galoots filled with lust to undertake a group project:
> Is it time for another group project? Maybe we could do this on a
> regular basis and get an article in PW? How about a removable bench
> tool tray? Plane storage? 6 pack holder? Saw bench?
>
A Saw Bench was discussed in a recent issue of Pop. Woodworking. A nice
one=2C too. IIRC=2C the article talked about features without giving
exact dimensions=2C and gave a URL for an actual plan. (Which=2C no
doubt=2C will become a "dead link" sooner or later !)

The current discussion of saw storage suggests that the panel saws ought
to hang from their handles rather than rest on their handles. Maybe that
could be the jump-off point? Not too many years ago=2C I found a saw
chest at a flea market for $15. Its not the most beautiful thing I've
ever seen=2C but it gets the job done. Holds a dozen saws in alternating
directions. The ends of this chest are squares. I think it would have
looked much more attractive=2C and held more saws=2C if the ends were
"golden rectangles". Here's my take: the group project should be a saw
chest which also hangs vertically on the wall on french cleats as a
cabinet. Somehow or other=2C details not yet worked out=2C the saws
alternate and when it's on the wall=2C the ones with the handle up are
hanging and the ones with the handle down are on a cross-dowel. Or=2C
maybe the panel saws hang and the backsaws are interspersed with their
handles down. Whatever we design=2C a criterion should be that it can go
to the job site and not just hang on the wall.John Ruth Metuchen=2C NJ
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On 09/07/11, John Ruth wrote:

:: The current discussion of saw storage suggests that the panel 
:: saws ought to hang from their handles rather than rest on their handles. 

Why so?  

I see no reason why there's anything wrong with resting vertically on their
handles, as so many saw tills do.

- Bill T.

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I foolishly wrote:

> :: The current discussion of saw storage suggests that the panel saws
> :: ought to hang from their handles rather than rest on their handles.
>
And then Bill T wisely commented:
> Why so?
>
> I see no reason why there's anything wrong with resting vertically on
> their handles=2C as so many saw tills do.
>
To which I say:

I wish to withdraw the original comment. Further=2C I wish to withdraw
the influence that this half-understood idea had on my proposed design
of a till. John Ruth -----------------------------------------------------------
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On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Ed Minch  wrote:

> Is it time for another group project?  Maybe we could do this on a regular
> basis and get an article in PW?  How about a removable bench tool tray?
>  Plane storage?  6 pack holder?  Saw bench?
>

Sawbench like Ron Hermann's would be good.  I keep building sawbenches.  I'm
not sure why.

A second idea:  blanket chest.  I was looking into six board chests recently
as a simpler way to construct a tool chest.  I found a Fine Woodworking
article by Michael Dunbar with no-electricity plans for a blanket chest:
http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/13139/free-plan-six-board-chest

The blanket chest seems useful and plausible.

Mark
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The 1st project was a 1 drawer side table/nightstand
Tim O'Hearn

On Sep 7, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Frank Filippone wrote:

> The Sawtill was project #2.  What was Project #1?
> 
> Frank Filippone
> Red735i@e...
> 

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GG's: If any future historian writes a history of OLDTOOLS=2C then the
Group Projects will be a significant chapter. We should figure out a way
to keep a roster of project number=2C description=2C date=2C
participants=2C completers=2C etc. Although I have a feeling that our
"finest hour" was Tom Price's "Daddy's Got A Saw Problem" :) John Ruth
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> Subject: Re: [OldTools] SawTill From: ohearnt@v... Date: Wed=2C 7 Sep
> 2011 18:58:13 -0400 To: red735i@e...
> CC: oldtools@r...
>
> The 1st project was a 1 drawer side table/nightstand Tim O'Hearn
>
>
> On Sep 7=2C 2011=2C at 6:37 PM=2C Frank Filippone wrote:
>
> > The Sawtill was project #2. What was Project #1?
> >
> > Frank Filippone Red735i@e...
> >
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I"ve read "Daddy's got a Saw Problem" many times....

but Phil's blacksmith friend w/ the prehensile naval has kept me chuckling
for several days, too!

TWH
Kentucky

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 7:20 PM, John Ruth  wrote:

>
> GG's:
>
> If any future historian writes a history of OLDTOOLS, then the Group
> Projects will be a significant chapter. We should figure out a way to keep a
> roster of project number, description, date, participants, completers, etc.
>
> Although I have a feeling that our "finest hour" was Tom Price's "Daddy's
> Got A Saw Problem"  :)
>
> John Ruth
>
> ----------------------------------------
> > Subject: Re: [OldTools] SawTill
> > From: ohearnt@v...
> > Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 18:58:13 -0400
> > To: red735i@e...
> > CC: oldtools@r...
> >
> > The 1st project was a 1 drawer side table/nightstand
> > Tim O'Hearn
> >
> >
> > On Sep 7, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Frank Filippone wrote:
> >
> > > The Sawtill was project #2. What was Project #1?
> > >
> > > Frank Filippone
> > > Red735i@e...
> > >
> >
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Winchester, KY
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Quoting Mark Lovett Wells :

>
> A second idea:=A0 blanket chest.=A0 I was looking into six board
chests recently
> as a simpler way to construct a tool chest.=A0 I found a Fine
Woodworking
> article by Michael Dunbar with no-electricity plans for a blanket
chest:
> http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/13139/free-plan-six-board-chest
>

Calling Tom Holloway....!  Ya still got pix of your cherry version 
someplace???  I don't know if any others made it, but I sure
remember his.

Esther

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The saw bench sounds like a great group build project! =A0 Cheers, Alex
Moseley | http://liferevisited.wordpress.com |
http://twitter.com/#!/moseleyalex
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What is this completer word?  What does that mean? You mean we have to
finish something?

GG's:
 
If any future historian writes a history of OLDTOOLS, then the Group
Projects will be a significant chapter. We should figure out a way to keep a
roster of project number, description, date, participants, completers, etc.
 
Although I have a feeling that our "finest hour" was Tom Price's "Daddy's
Got A Saw Problem"  :)
 
John Ruth 

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Now that's a project I could get involved in!
 
Cheers,
John
 
John M. Johnston
There is a fine line between hobby and mental  illness. Dave Barry  

 
In a message dated 9/8/2011 11:38:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
alex_moseley@y... writes:

The saw  bench sounds like a great group build project!

Cheers,
Alex  Moseley | http://liferevisited.wordpress.com |  
http://twitter.com/#!/moseleyalex
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