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270917 Christopher Dunn <christopherdunn123@g...> 2020‑05‑17 Saddle square = OT?
Galoots

Using a try square, it's easy to transfer a knife mark from one face
of the board to the edge, as long as the intersection of the face and
edge is sharp. If the edge is deeply beveled or rounded, you need
something like a saddle square.

Knight's American Mechanical Dictionary from 1874 makes no mention of
a saddle square, nor have I seen them in some of the old catalogs. I
can't recall ever seeing one in the wild, and an old tool dealer
friend has never seen them either. Which brings me to my question:

Are saddle squares a modern invention?

If yes, what did people us to transfer marks? Folding rules?

Thank you in advance,
Chris
270920 Michael Blair <branson2@s...> 2020‑05‑17 Re: Saddle square = OT?
The ones I've seen have been carpenter made.  Colloquially called
preachers, because they kept the carpenter from cussing over a
misaligned mark. 

Mike in Woodland
270922 "Ed O'" <edo@e...> 2020‑05‑17 Re: Saddle square = OT?
If you have a center head for your combination square you have a saddle
square.  Just take it off the scale (rule) and the 90 degree wraps nicely
around an edge.

I think dedicated ones marketed as saddle squares are a modern invention.

Ed O'

-----Original Message-----

Are saddle squares a modern invention?

If yes, what did people us to transfer marks? Folding rules?

Thank you in advance,
Chris
270923 Zachary Dillinger <zacharydillinger@g...> 2020‑05‑18 Re: Saddle square = OT?
I have a brass saddle square that came with a set of mid-to-late19th
century English sash joiners tools, all bearing the S Bradshaw owner's
mark. Also in the box, though bearing a different owner's mark, was a
saddle miter square.

http://galootopedia.com/old-tools_wiki/images/2/26/Saddle_squares.jpeg
http://galootopedia.com/old-tools_wiki/images/f/f2/20200517_200010.jpg

Both tools appear to be user made, so perhaps they weren't commercially
available until a little later.
--
Zachary Dillinger
517-231-3374


On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 3:37 PM Christopher Dunn <
christopherdunn123@g...> wrote:
270924 "Ed O'" <edo@e...> 2020‑05‑18 Re: Saddle square = OT?
That reminds me, Preston made a mitre (miter) square. It is sort of a saddle
square.  I have a copy made by Smallwood in England post-Preston (never
found a need to use it yet).  I think Footprint also made them in the 1970s
or so.

See:
https://www.jimbodetools.com/products/preston-6-inch-mitre-template-and-s
qua
re-73772
 
and some more picks at:

https://www.nonesuchto
ols.com/preston/index.htm


-----Original Message-----
From: OldTools [mailto:oldtools-bounces@
s...] On Behalf Of
Zachary Dillinger

I have a brass saddle square that came with a set of mid-to-late19th century
English sash joiners tools, all bearing the S Bradshaw owner's mark. Also in
the box, though bearing a different owner's mark, was a saddle miter square.

http://galootopedia.com/old-tools_wiki/images/2/26/Saddle_squares.jpeg
http://galootopedia.com/old-tools_wiki/images/f/f2/20200517_200010.jpg

Both tools appear to be user made, so perhaps they weren't commercially
available until a little later.
--
Zachary Dillinger
517-231-3374
270929 dks <dks@t...> 2020‑05‑18 Re: Saddle square = OT?
Perhaps Preston was just capitalizing on something that was long used by
tradesmen - wooden mitre guides of the type illustrated in Zach's photo. It's
not a big leap.

I have at times resorted to a short piece of aluminum angle cut square, for this
purpose. That works well on construction lumber with rounded arrises, not on
sharp ones, due to interior rounding.

Old eyes have come to rely on this one: https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/tools/hand-tools
/marking-and-measuring/marking-accessories/48041-veritas-saddle-squares

FWIW

Don
  
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed O'" 
To: "Zachary Dillinger" , "Christopher Dunn"

Cc: "OldTools List" 
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 5:37:31 PM
Subject: Re: [OldTools] Saddle square = OT?

That reminds me, Preston made a mitre (miter) square. It is sort of a saddle
square.  I have a copy made by Smallwood in England post-Preston (never
found a need to use it yet).  I think Footprint also made them in the 1970s
or so.

See:
https://www.jimbodetools.com/products/preston-6-inch-mitre-template-and-s
qua
re-73772
 
and some more picks at:

https://www.nonesuchto
ols.com/preston/index.htm


-----Original Message-----
From: OldTools [mailto:oldtools-bounces@
s...] On Behalf Of
Zachary Dillinger

I have a brass saddle square that came with a set of mid-to-late19th century
English sash joiners tools, all bearing the S Bradshaw owner's mark. Also in
the box, though bearing a different owner's mark, was a saddle miter square.

http://galootopedia.com/old-tools_wiki/images/2/26/Saddle_squares.jpeg
http://galootopedia.com/old-tools_wiki/images/f/f2/20200517_200010.jpg

Both tools appear to be user made, so perhaps they weren't commercially
available until a little later.
--
Zachary Dillinger
517-231-3374

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270931 gary may 2020‑05‑18 Re: Saddle square = OT?
GGs:

   Many years ago, some modest and practical galoot said softly from a dark
corner of the Porch: "Anyone ever use a door-hinge to transfer marks around
corners?"...
   That was all I heard, but it was enough.
                                                                       and back
to bed; gam in OlyWA




How horrible it is to have so many people killed!---And what a blessing one
cares for none of them!
Jane Austen 

    On Sunday, May 17, 2020, 04:56:07 PM PDT, Ed O'  wrote:  
 
 If you have a center head for your combination square you have a saddle
square.  Just take it off the scale (rule) and the 90 degree wraps nicely
around an edge.

I think dedicated ones marketed as saddle squares are a modern invention.

Ed O'

-----Original Message-----

Are saddle squares a modern invention?

If yes, what did people us to transfer marks? Folding rules?

Thank you in advance,
Chris

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270959 Kirk Eppler 2020‑05‑19 Re: Saddle square = OT?
Nothing in my 1919 Marples catalog remotely resembling a saddle square.

KE

On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 12:37 PM Christopher Dunn <
christopherdunn123@g...> wrote:

> Galoots
>
> Using a try square, it's easy to transfer a knife mark from one face
> of the board to the edge, as long as the intersection of the face and
> edge is sharp. If the edge is deeply beveled or rounded, you need
> something like a saddle square.
>
> Knight's American Mechanical Dictionary from 1874 makes no mention of
> a saddle square, nor have I seen them in some of the old catalogs. I
> can't recall ever seeing one in the wild, and an old tool dealer
> friend has never seen them either. Which brings me to my question:
>
> Are saddle squares a modern invention?
>
> If yes, what did people us to transfer marks? Folding rules?
>
> Thank you in advance,
> Chris
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270963 Christopher Dunn <christopherdunn123@g...> 2020‑05‑19 Re: Saddle square = OT?
Galoots

I got to say, "preacher" is a great name for a saddle square.

Thanks for all your replies,
Chris

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