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270917 | Christopher Dunn <christopherdunn123@g...> | 2020‑05‑17 | Saddle square = OT? |
Galoots Using a try square, it's easy to transfer a knife mark from one face of the board to the edge, as long as the intersection of the face and edge is sharp. If the edge is deeply beveled or rounded, you need something like a saddle square. Knight's American Mechanical Dictionary from 1874 makes no mention of a saddle square, nor have I seen them in some of the old catalogs. I can't recall ever seeing one in the wild, and an old tool dealer friend has never seen them either. Which brings me to my question: Are saddle squares a modern invention? If yes, what did people us to transfer marks? Folding rules? Thank you in advance, Chris |
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270920 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2020‑05‑17 | Re: Saddle square = OT? |
The ones I've seen have been carpenter made. Colloquially called preachers, because they kept the carpenter from cussing over a misaligned mark. Mike in Woodland |
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270922 | "Ed O'" <edo@e...> | 2020‑05‑17 | Re: Saddle square = OT? |
If you have a center head for your combination square you have a saddle square. Just take it off the scale (rule) and the 90 degree wraps nicely around an edge. I think dedicated ones marketed as saddle squares are a modern invention. Ed O' -----Original Message----- Are saddle squares a modern invention? If yes, what did people us to transfer marks? Folding rules? Thank you in advance, Chris |
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270923 | Zachary Dillinger <zacharydillinger@g...> | 2020‑05‑18 | Re: Saddle square = OT? |
I have a brass saddle square that came with a set of mid-to-late19th century English sash joiners tools, all bearing the S Bradshaw owner's mark. Also in the box, though bearing a different owner's mark, was a saddle miter square. http://galootopedia.com/old-tools_wiki/images/2/26/Saddle_squares.jpeg http://galootopedia.com/old-tools_wiki/images/f/f2/20200517_200010.jpg Both tools appear to be user made, so perhaps they weren't commercially available until a little later. -- Zachary Dillinger 517-231-3374 On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 3:37 PM Christopher Dunn < christopherdunn123@g...> wrote: |
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270924 | "Ed O'" <edo@e...> | 2020‑05‑18 | Re: Saddle square = OT? |
That reminds me, Preston made a mitre (miter) square. It is sort of a saddle square. I have a copy made by Smallwood in England post-Preston (never found a need to use it yet). I think Footprint also made them in the 1970s or so. See: https://www.jimbodetools.com/products/preston-6-inch-mitre-template-and-squa re-73772 and some more picks at: https://www.nonesuchtools.com/preston/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: OldTools [mailto:oldtools-bounces@s...] On Behalf Of Zachary Dillinger I have a brass saddle square that came with a set of mid-to-late19th century English sash joiners tools, all bearing the S Bradshaw owner's mark. Also in the box, though bearing a different owner's mark, was a saddle miter square. http://galootopedia.com/old-tools_wiki/images/2/26/Saddle_squares.jpeg http://galootopedia.com/old-tools_wiki/images/f/f2/20200517_200010.jpg Both tools appear to be user made, so perhaps they weren't commercially available until a little later. -- Zachary Dillinger 517-231-3374 |
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270929 | dks <dks@t...> | 2020‑05‑18 | Re: Saddle square = OT? |
Perhaps Preston was just capitalizing on something that was long used by tradesmen - wooden mitre guides of the type illustrated in Zach's photo. It's not a big leap. I have at times resorted to a short piece of aluminum angle cut square, for this purpose. That works well on construction lumber with rounded arrises, not on sharp ones, due to interior rounding. Old eyes have come to rely on this one: https://www.leevalley.com/en- ca/shop/tools/hand-tools/marking-and-measuring/marking-accessories/48041 -veritas-saddle-squares">https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/tools/hand-tools /marking-and-measuring/marking-accessories/48041-veritas-saddle-squares FWIW Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed O'" |
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270931 | gary may | 2020‑05‑18 | Re: Saddle square = OT? |
GGs: Many years ago, some modest and practical galoot said softly from a dark corner of the Porch: "Anyone ever use a door-hinge to transfer marks around corners?"... That was all I heard, but it was enough. and back to bed; gam in OlyWA How horrible it is to have so many people killed!---And what a blessing one cares for none of them! Jane Austen On Sunday, May 17, 2020, 04:56:07 PM PDT, Ed O' |
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270959 | Kirk Eppler | 2020‑05‑19 | Re: Saddle square = OT? |
Nothing in my 1919 Marples catalog remotely resembling a saddle square. KE On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 12:37 PM Christopher Dunn < christopherdunn123@g...> wrote: > Galoots > > Using a try square, it's easy to transfer a knife mark from one face > of the board to the edge, as long as the intersection of the face and > edge is sharp. If the edge is deeply beveled or rounded, you need > something like a saddle square. > > Knight's American Mechanical Dictionary from 1874 makes no mention of > a saddle square, nor have I seen them in some of the old catalogs. I > can't recall ever seeing one in the wild, and an old tool dealer > friend has never seen them either. Which brings me to my question: > > Are saddle squares a modern invention? > > If yes, what did people us to transfer marks? Folding rules? > > Thank you in advance, > Chris > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool > aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage, > value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of > traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools. > > To change your subscription options: > https://oldtools.swingleydev.com/mailman/listinfo/oldtools > > To read the FAQ: > https://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html > > OldTools archive: https://swingleydev.com/ot/ > > OldTools@s... > -- Sent from my iPad, apologies for the Auto Correct errors. Kirk |
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270963 | Christopher Dunn <christopherdunn123@g...> | 2020‑05‑19 | Re: Saddle square = OT? |
Galoots I got to say, "preacher" is a great name for a saddle square. Thanks for all your replies, Chris |
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