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268472 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2019‑05‑10 Pizza wheel
Not sure why they are called "pizza wheels” - maybe cause they look like a pizza
cutter? - but here is the real deal, extra large pizza size

https://www.jimbodetools.com/collections
/whats-new/products/extra-fine-14-1-2-inch-panel-gauge-860021u

No affiliation, yada, yada, yada

Ed Minch
268474 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2019‑05‑10 Re: Ellipsograph
Bill

It’s beautiful.  My grandad had one with a handle on, all made of wood, and you
whiled away the time just spinning the handle and watching it go around.  It
said on the bottom “Round Tuit”.

What will you use it on?

Ed Minh
268477 Bill Webber 2019‑05‑11 Re: Ellipsograph
Hey Ed,

Are you thinking of something like this?
http://billwebber.galoot
central.com/smoke.JPG

This was made 30 - 40 years ago.  They were called variously smoke 
grinders, BS machines, or do nothings.  Perhaps round tuits as you suggest.

As for what will I use my ellipsograph on, I'll likely use it as a 
coffee table decoration.  I think drawing an ellipse with a couple nails 
and a piece of string is much easier than setting up the fancy machine.

Bill W.
Nottingham, PA
Woodworkers visit me at http://bi
llwebber.galootcentral.com/
268478 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2019‑05‑11 Re: Ellipsograph
That’s the thing Bill - his was unfinished maple or other light wood that was
plenty dirty from hands spinning it, many of them mine.

Ed Minch
268479 Bill Webber 2019‑05‑11 Re: Ellipsograph
Those that might want extra credit could try one of these :-)

http://billwebber.galootcentral.com/replica-of-john-fareys-ellipsograph.jp
g

Bill W.
Nottingham, PA
Woodworkers visit me at http://bi
llwebber.galootcentral.com/
268480 Tom Dugan <tom_dugan@h...> 2019‑05‑11 Re: Ellipsograph
That is amazing and bizarre and I want one.

-T

________________________________
From: OldTools  on behalf of Bill Webber via OldTools

Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 7:40 AM
To: Ed Minch
Cc: Listserv Oldtools
Subject: Re: [OldTools] Ellipsograph

Those that might want extra credit could try one of these :-)

https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2
F%2Fbillwebber.galootcentral.com%2Freplica-of-john-fareys-ellipsograph.jpg&d
ata=02%7C01%7C%7C32f118e4e69d4f302fc108d6d60a14c2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa
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Dx8a08VaY%3D&reserved=0

Bill W.
Nottingham, PA
Woodworkers visit me at https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbillwebber.
galootcentral.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C32f118e4e69d4f302fc108d6d60a14c2%7C84
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On 5/10/2019 7:44 PM, Ed Minch wrote:
> Bill
>
> It’s beautiful.  My grandad had one with a handle on, all made of wood,
> and you whiled away the time just spinning the handle and watching it go
> around.  It said on the bottom “Round Tuit”.
>
> What will you use it on?
>
> Ed Minh
>
>> On May 10, 2019, at 4:46 PM, Bill Webber via OldTools
>> >> mailto:oldtools@s...>> 
wrote:
>>
>> GGs,
>>
>> Dennis Heyza pointed us all to a Woodwright's Shop video that Roy and
>> some Williamsburg folks made demonstrating veneering techniques used
>> on the Benjamin Seaton tool chest.  They showed off an ellipsograph
>>  made in Williamsburg and I took a fancy to it.  It possesses two of
>> my favorite qualities; high gizmocity factor and lots of shiny brass.
>> Anyway, here's my rendition of an ellipsograph.  Not quite as elegant
>> as the Williamsburg model but it works quite nicely.
>>
>> htt
ps://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbillwebber.galootc
entral.com%2F1905-030.JPG&data=02%7C01%7C%7C32f118e4e69d4f302fc108d6d60a14c2
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>> https:/
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al.com%2F1905-031.JPG&data=02%7C01%7C%7C32f118e4e69d4f302fc108d6d60a14c2%7C8
4df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636931736125742494&sdata=d2aRi5U92
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>>
>> The nail and string version is a lot more straight forward :-)
>>
>> Bill W.
>> Nottingham, PA
>> >> Woodworkers visit me atht
tp://billwebber.galootcentral.com/
>
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268482 Nichael Cramer <nichael@s...> 2019‑05‑11 Re: Ellipsograph
Bill Webber via OldTools wrote:
>GGs,
>
>Dennis Heyza pointed us all to a Woodwright's Shop video that Roy 
>and some Williamsburg folks made demonstrating veneering techniques 
>used on the Benjamin Seaton tool chest.  They showed off an 
>ellipsograph  made in Williamsburg and I took a fancy to it.  It 
>possesses two of my favorite qualities; high gizmocity factor and 
>lots of shiny brass. Anyway, here's my rendition of an 
>ellipsograph.  Not quite as elegant as the Williamsburg model but it 
>works quite nicely.
>
>http://billwebber.ga
lootcentral.com/1905-030.JPG
>http://billwebber.ga
lootcentral.com/1905-031.JPG
>http://billwebber.ga
lootcentral.com/1905-035.JPG

???

Nice.  But no example ellipses?  (ellipsises?)

N
268484 Bill Webber 2019‑05‑12 Re: Ellipsograph
Hey Nichel,

It's ellipses.  I had not experimented with making videos.  I figured 
some doubting Thomas, or doubting Nichel, would challenge me for 
pictures.  Unlike planes, I didn't think folks would buy an ellipsograph 
sitting on an oval as proof of functionality.  A plane with a mouth full 
of shavings is generally accepted as proof the planing tool works.  (No 
one has yet been caught stuffing shavings into the mouth of a plane.)

So I made a fifteen second test video.  It took 5 - 10 minutes to upload 
to galootcentral.  The download took only a little less time.  And then 
the fifteen second video played back, in like, 15 seconds.

I think a decent video of my ellipsograph would run 5-minutes or more? I 
don't believe Brian would take kindly to me sucking up so much bandwidth 
from his server just to show I can draw an oval with this gadget.  Since 
the video is not likely to be available any time soon, if you send me 
your address and a SASE, I'll send you an original oval or a facsimile 
(depending on demand).

Thanks for your interest,
All in jest,
I am sincerely yours,

Bill W.
Nottingham, PA
Woodworkers visit me at http://bi
llwebber.galootcentral.com/
268485 scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> 2019‑05‑12 Re: Ellipsograph
Bill
Anything that beautiful I am going to believe it works, and no doubt
Its outstanding!

  Mind if I ask how you secured the brass bars to the surface of the wood?

   yours Scott

-- 
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    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
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268486 Bill Webber 2019‑05‑12 Re: Ellipsograph
Hi Scott,

Not sure exactly what your question is.  Slide blocks run in the mortice 
in the wooden assembly.  Posts with screws ride in the slide blocks. 
The pencil bar is fixed in the posts.

There's a brief write-up here with more pictures.
http://b
illwebber.galootcentral.com/projects_in_progress.html

HTH,

Bill W.
Nottingham, PA
Woodworkers visit me at http://bi
llwebber.galootcentral.com/
268487 Brent Beach <brent.beach@g...> 2019‑05‑12 Re: Ellipsograph
Bill

This could be your chance to become a youtube star! They seem to take 
any length video and don't care how many people watch it.

On 2019-05-11 18:31, Bill Webber via OldTools wrote:
> Hey Nichel,
> 
> It's ellipses.  I had not experimented with making videos.  I figured 
> some doubting Thomas, or doubting Nichel, would challenge me for 
> pictures.  Unlike planes, I didn't think folks would buy an ellipsograph 
> sitting on an oval as proof of functionality.  A plane with a mouth full 
> of shavings is generally accepted as proof the planing tool works.  (No 
> one has yet been caught stuffing shavings into the mouth of a plane.)
> 
> So I made a fifteen second test video.  It took 5 - 10 minutes to upload 
> to galootcentral.  The download took only a little less time.  And then 
> the fifteen second video played back, in like, 15 seconds.

Brent
-- 
Brent Beach
Victoria, BC, Canada
268488 Derek Cohen <derekcohen@i...> 2019‑05‑12 Re: Ellipsograph
Bill, that is very fine work! It shall be appropriated some time in the future
:)

I believe the original ellipsograph in the Woodwright's video was made by George
Wilson, who was the senior tool maker and instrument maker at Williamsberg. He
has produced some extraordinary tools, guitars, violins, spinets, and other
items. I believe one was a commission to the Queen of England.

I hope this is not sidetracking the thread, but it may be of interest to know of
George Wilson, one of the lesser known artists of our time. Here he is at work
building a spinet: https:/
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDP6Tl2biH4 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDP6Tl2biH4>

Regards from Perth

Derek
268489 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2019‑05‑12 Re: Ellipsograph
How was he able to chop the waste out of dovetails in yellow pine going all the
way through from on side and not get any splits on the underside?  Great to
watch someone who knows what he is doing.

Ed Minch
268490 Nichael Cramer <nichael@s...> 2019‑05‑12 Re: Ellipsograph
>Nichael Cramer wrote:
>>???
>>Nice.� But no example ellipses?� (ellipsises?)
>>N

Bill Webber wrote:
>Hey Nichel,
>
>[...]
>Thanks for your interest,
>All in jest,

Yes, indeed.

And just in case anyone had any doubts, I never doubted for a moment that
it worked perfectly fine.  I just meant that, as 
a viewer, I kinda found it a little
disappointing to see something this pretty and then not get a chance to see
it in action (or, at least to see some of its results.)

>I am sincerely yours,

Ditto.

Nichael
268491 Bill Webber 2019‑05‑12 Re: Ellipsograph
Nichel,

I realized I had not posted the link to the Woodwright's video of their 
use of the ellipsograph.  Perhaps folks hadn't seen it.  My ellipsograph 
was made to be similar.  Check the video starting at about 3 minutes, 30 
seconds.

https://
video.unctv.org/video/holly-wood-spectaculars-6p5efs/

Bill W.
Nottingham, PA
Woodworkers visit me at http://bi
llwebber.galootcentral.com/
268498 "Ed O'" <edo@e...> 2019‑05‑13 Re: Pizza wheel
That's a Rice's patent slitter.  Patent is here http://datamp.org/patents/advance.php?pn=1
42584&id=38&set=7
Usually marked on the arch of the outside brass depth stop piece with the patent
info.

Ed O'

-----Original Message-----

Not sure why they are called "pizza wheels” - maybe cause they look like a pizza
cutter? - but here is the real deal, extra large pizza size

https://www.jimbodetools.com/collections
/whats-new/products/extra-fine-14-1-2-inch-panel-gauge-860021u

No affiliation, yada, yada, yada

Ed Minch
268500 Nichael Cramer <nichael@s...> 2019‑05‑13 Re: Ellipsograph - The Movie
Now, that's pretty.

Nichael

Bill Webber wrote:
268504 Chuck Taylor 2019‑05‑14 Re: Ellipsograph - The Movie
Gentle Galoots,

I hereby nominate Bill for an Oscar for Best Galoot Movie of the year!

Cheers,
Chuck Taylor
north of Seattle


 On Monday, May 13, 2019, 10:08:20 AM PDT, Bill Webber  wrote: 

...
Here's the movie you have all been waiting for :-)

https://vimeo.com/335737610
....
268505 Mike Rock <mikerock@m...> 2019‑05‑14 Re: Ellipsograph - The Movie
A golden statue of St. Roy??
268506 nichael@s... 2019‑05‑14 Re: Ellipsograph - The Movie
> A golden statue of St. Roy??

In keeping with tradition, a golden bobblehead of St Roy?

N
268514 Michael Blair <branson2@s...> 2019‑05‑15 Re: Ellipsograph
I wish I could remember more about it, but in the late '60s the art and
framing store where I worked had a hand cranked machine to cut oval
matts for photographs.  You set the settings for the size of the matt,
and began cranking.  Not only did it cut the precise oval needed, but
made that cut at a 45 degree angle, like any other matt.  It was a real
mechanical marvel. 

Mike in Woodland
268530 "yorkshireman@y..." <yorkshireman@y...> 2019‑05‑16 Re: [SPAM?] Ellipsograph
You could search for oval mat cutters.. 

heres one I did earlier..
'http://www.logangraphic.com/product/handheld-mat-
cutters/logan-201-oval-circle-mat-cutter/

complete with angled cut.  It’s seen in use here..    Nothing like as impressive
as a real brass affair though..


https://www.youtube.com/wa
tch?v=HIoL0SA-91M
268557 Michael Suwczinsky <nicknaylo@g...> 2019‑05‑21 Re: [SPAM?] Ellipsograph
A plane with a mouth full
of shavings is generally accepted as proof the planing tool works.  (No
one has yet been caught stuffing shavings into the mouth of a plane.)

The person on the train next to me wonders about the guffawing from my seat!
This is hilarious I’m not sure why..

Michael-currently working on 5 1/2feet of honey do project in 6feet of shop
space
-- 
Michael
268635 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2019‑06‑04 Re: Letters / numbers for casting
Could they have been used to make a wax negative that was pressed into the sand
and left to be “lost waxed”??

Ed Minch
268636 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2019‑06‑04 Re: Letters / numbers for casting
Bill

> Then I realized if these were used like that for casting, the numbers would
> come out backwards, like in a mirror. 


Wait a minute - if they were pressed into the sand the numbers would be
backwards in the sand, then if the mold were filled, the casting would have it
frontwards again.  All is right with the world!

Ed Minch
268637 Bill Webber 2019‑06‑04 Re: Letters / numbers for casting
Yeah, you are right of course.  But the letters would protrude from the 
casting, along with their nice oval background.  Likely to be ground off 
when the casting is finished to spec.  But thanks for playing... :-)

Jim would know how to do this..

Bill W.
Nottingham, PA
Woodworkers visit me at http://bi
llwebber.galootcentral.com/

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