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247922 | Malcolm Thomas <idraconus@i...> | 2014‑05‑17 | stanley yankee 130a |
this one is a bit tricky...its a current listing so i cant supply the link... how can one date such a beast...? are there any particular characteristics that can narrow them down to, say a decade, at least ? this one was made in sheffield if that helps. not much to go on i know....but rules are rules... Cheers, Mal Sent using Mail on iPad 2 |
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247923 | Ed Minch <ruby@m...> | 2014‑05‑17 | Re: stanley yankee 130a |
Mal Not sure which number is which, but one of these big guys comes with a return spring and one does not. Let me suggest that you want the one WITHOUT the return spring (DAMHIKT). YMMV Ed Minch Half the people you meet will be below average On May 17, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Malcolm Thomas |
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247924 | Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> | 2014‑05‑17 | Re: stanley yankee 130a |
On Saturday, May 17, 2014, Malcolm Thomas |
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247925 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2014‑05‑17 | Re: stanley yankee 130a |
Them's fighting words, but leaves more for me!. No A, no buy! FWIW Don On 5/17/2014 7:14 AM, Ed Minch wrote: > Mal > > Not sure which number is which, but one of these big guys comes with a return spring and one does not. Let me suggest that you want the one WITHOUT the return spring (DAMHIKT). > > YMMV > > Ed Minch |
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247926 | Malcolm Thomas <idraconus@i...> | 2014‑05‑17 | Re: stanley yankee 130a |
> Not sure which number is which, but one of these big guys comes with a return spring and one does not. Let me suggest that you want the one WITHOUT the return spring (DAMHIKT). why do i want the one without the return spring ? Cheers, Mal Sent using Mail on iPad 2 |
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247927 | Ed Minch <ruby@m...> | 2014‑05‑17 | Re: stanley yankee 130a |
OK, here it is. I learned a lot working on a major addition in 1973 with a 73 year old carpenter named Joe Shingle. Joe had all manner of cool tools and he ended up giving me a couple - including the Stanley 95 edge squaring plane that I still use. He used one of these for driving screws for a lot of things and I always watched out of the corner of my eye at how easy he made it look. I picked one up at a flea market. We were hanging doors and I wanted to be just like Joe, so I pulled out my big honking screwdriver, and immediately put a huge gouge in an oak door frame that took forever to fix. He said “oh, you bought the one with the spring in it”. It just never dawned on me that he was always using 2 hands to drive the screws. Ed Minch On May 17, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Malcolm Thomas |
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247930 | "David Erickson" <dave@r...> | 2014‑05‑17 | RE: stanley yankee 130a |
> http://www.mwtca.org/the-gristmill/sample-articles/77-yankee-tools- checklist">http://www.mwtca.org/the-gristmill/sample-articles/77-yankee-tools- checklist .html > > This list is a help, thanks David. But doesn't tell dates, does mention spring return that Ed > > mentioned. > > I usually look at the wood handle, and the Presence of Stanley. Stanley makes it > later,(1946?), crappy wood or plasticky makes it later. > > Kirk in HMB, not sure where the real dates are for Yankees in Sheffield. Thanks Kirk. I wrote that list back in the 90's. It's amazing that it is still on the MWTCA website. Since that was written, Joe Ward published the book, North Brothers Manufacturing Company Product Guide, which is the bible for Yankee collectors. Joe sold his remaining copies to me, so I have them for sale at $20, a good price for a color-illustrated hardbound book that is 232 pages full of information. The book focusses on the tools made by North Brothers in Philadelphia, so it covers the period from 1897 to about 1957 (from 1945 to 1957 tools were marked North Brothers a Division of Stanley, or similar). It does not cover the later tools that do not say North Brothers, which include the Sheffield-made tools. There is an article by David Truesdale that was published in the EAIA Gristmill publication, that gives the types for Yankee screwdrivers, and which is useful for collectors who wish to date Yankee tools. The types depend on patent dates, presence of screws, type of ferrule, beaded handle, etc. However, the types don't extend to Sheffield produced screwdrivers or any non-North Brothers labeled tools). There are also many varieties of Yankee screwdrivers that were produced during WWII, with different metals or plating or bluing. I have seen both 130A and 130B (and 135A, 131A) Yankee screwdrivers made in Sheffield. All that I have seen say Stanley, not North Brothers, so that would imply they were made after 1957. I know that they get a premium price, compared to common variety 130A made by Stanley. There were also Yankee screwdrivers made in Germany in the early 50's, which seem to be much less common but don't command the higher price, probably because collectors generally are not aware of them. Dave |
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247931 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2014‑05‑17 | Re: stanley yankee 130a |
Well, if they're locked in the short position and come unlocked unexpectedly, they could poke you or someone in the eye, for example. I always store mine fully extended, so the spring isn't loaded. They may accumulate more dirt that way, but that's easily brushed off. Don On 5/17/2014 8:14 AM, Malcolm Thomas wrote: > >> Not sure which number is which, but one of these big guys comes with >> a return spring and one does not. Let me suggest that you want the >> one WITHOUT the return spring (DAMHIKT). > > > why do i want the one without the return spring ? > > > Cheers, > Mal > > Sent using Mail on iPad 2 > |
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247932 | Ed Minch <ruby@m...> | 2014‑05‑17 | Re: stanley yankee 130a |
OK, here it is. I learned a lot working on a major addition in 1973 with a 73 year old carpenter named Joe Shingle. Joe had all manner of cool tools and he ended up giving me a couple - including the Stanley 95 edge squaring plane that I still use. He used one of these for driving screws for a lot of things and I always watched out of the corner of my eye at how easy he made it look. I picked one up at a flea market. We were hanging doors and I wanted to be just like Joe, so I pulled out my big honking screwdriver, and immediately put a huge gouge in an oak door frame that took forever to fix. He said “oh, you bought the one with the spring in it”. It just never dawned on me that he was always using 2 hands to drive the screws. Ed Minch On May 17, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Malcolm Thomas |
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247934 | Mike DeLong <mpdelong@g...> | 2014‑05‑17 | Re: stanley yankee 130a |
The following website is a good resource for such tools..... http://www.old toolsnstuff.com/yankeescrewdriverpage.htm Mike On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 6:16 AM, Malcolm Thomas |
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247938 | Malcolm Thomas <idraconus@i...> | 2014‑05‑18 | Re: stanley yankee 130a |
> On 18 May 2014, at 0:47, Don Schwartz |
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247940 | Bill Ghio <bghio@m...> | 2014‑05‑18 | Re: stanley yankee 130a |
Sent from my iPad > On May 17, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Malcolm Thomas |
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247942 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2014‑05‑18 | Re: stanley yankee 130a |
Not using Robertson heads then? Don On 5/17/2014 7:25 PM, Bill Ghio wrote: >> while all due care is required with these tools (and many others of course), I don't really see the point or need in avoiding them althogether. personal preferences may dictate otherwise of course. > I use both, but if working on or near a show surface, I used the springless. > > Bill > > |
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247945 | William Ghio <bghio@m...> | 2014‑05‑18 | Re: stanley yankee 130a |
On May 18, 2014, at 2:06 AM, Don Schwartz |
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247947 | Malcolm Thomas <idraconus@i...> | 2014‑05‑18 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
> this one is a bit tricky...its a current listing so i cant supply the link... ..ok, the auction has ended now, so I can provide a bit more info, if it helps date this more .. my guess is it’s between 1957 and 1971 (end of decimal currency in the UK was in Feb 1971 [we got free money at school !!] . 77/- being the price I am guessing and assuming it was originally sold in the UK and not Oz for example)… ..anyway… see what you think... https:// dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/130a_01.JPG https:// dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/130a_02.JPG https:// dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/130a_03.JPG https:// dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/130A_04.JPG Cheers Mal Oz (Perth to be more precise) On 17 May 2014, at 8:16 pm, Malcolm Thomas |
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247951 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2014‑05‑18 | Re: stanley yankee 130a |
That's a decent adapter. And I was pleased to find this selection of Yankee-style bits hidden away on their site: h ttp://www.leevalley.com/en/Wood/page.aspx?p=66021&cat=1,43411,43417 I keep three Yankees with Robertson Nos 1, 2 & 3 under my bench at all times. Don On 5/18/2014 6:26 AM, William Ghio wrote: > I keep buckets of Robinson heads is various sizes in the shop. They get driven w/ a light brace and a Lee Valley adaptor: "Our hex driver has a 1/4" hex socket with a rare-earth magnet in it to firmly hold any standard 1/4" bit – Phillips, square-drive, posi-drive, etcetera."http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/pa ge.aspx?p=32300&cat=1,180,42337">http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=32 300&cat=1,180,42337 |
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247954 | Phil Schempf <philschempf@g...> | 2014‑05‑18 | Re: stanley yankee 130a |
I bought one of these adapters from LV so I could use hex bits in my 135 and found it a bit over sized, but a minute with a file resolved the issue- http://www.leevalley.com/en/Wood/page.aspx?p=57809&cat=1,43411,43417&ap =2">http://www.leevalley.com/en/Wood/page.aspx?p=57809&cat=1,43411,43417&ap=2 Phil On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Don Schwartz |
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247955 | Ed Minch <ruby@m...> | 2014‑05‑18 | Re: stanley yankee 130a |
That little birdcage awl is interesting - anyone tried it? Ed Minch On May 18, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Don Schwartz |
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247970 | Thomas Conroy <booktoolcutter@y...> | 2014‑05‑19 | Re: stanley yankee 130a |
Ed Minch wrote: "I learned a lot working on a major addition in 1973 with a 73 year old carpenter named Joe Shingle...We were hanging doors and I wanted to be just like Joe, so I pulled out my big honking screwdriver, and immediately put a huge gouge in an oak door frame that took forever to fix. He said “oh, you bought the one with the spring in it”. It just never dawned on me that he was always using 2 hands to drive the screws." Back in the 1970s I inherited a springed North Bros. 130 (*) and the Millers Falls springless in the same size. I used these a lot over the years and always found the springless a real PITA, but I used it a lot because the Yankee was so gunked up with thick grease that the spring barely worked. Now that I've cleaned out the Yankee (thanks to advice from the Porch) I doubt I'll ever use the MF again, though I'm keping it from sentiment; these screwdrivers were, I now know, among the first really good tools I ever had. I marred a lot of boards with those screwdrivers, but I probably marred more with the MF than the Yankee. I never had anyone to tell me to use both hands, though. Tom Conroy (*) I now have three North Brothers Yankees with springs, marked 130, 130A, and 131A. I dunno why my inherited springed one is marked 130 instead of 130A. The 131 is the largest size, but I usually prefer the medium 130-130A size, and the one I use most is a bought-new German Schroeder in the small size, which has a hexagonal chuck for modern bits instead of the old notched-shaft design. I like being able to use the wierd modern bits when necessary. I'd get the larger Schroeder, even thought its workmanship isn't up to the old North Bros. ones, except that I'm too cheap to lay out the money. |
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247971 | Malcolm Thomas <idraconus@i...> | 2014‑05‑19 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
Ok, my "Moormans" branded (cattle feed mob i believe) MF #29 arrived today, to complement my two 670A's. ..what it is with these dang screwdrivers ?? I just want more of them :-) I have been reading a little about their early days in North Bros and Zachry T Furbish and the Forest City Screwdriver mob etc in absolute awe that something quite simple in concept, but complex to put together I would imagine (back in those days), was conceived and produced with such elegant form. And the sound they make when they are used; its like that sound a well sharpened plane makes while taking gossamer thin shavings.... Even SWMBO commented how 'nice' they looked. mmm.....its like being back in the ye ol' candy store again, but with a few more pennies to spend ;-0 Cheers, Mal ...someone slap me 'round the head before i fill the damn shed with these things :-) Sent using Mail on iPad 2 > On 18 May 2014, at 22:31, Malcolm Thomas |
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247975 | Ed Minch <ruby@m...> | 2014‑05‑19 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
Wait til you discover the true range of these things. I even found one that only tightens and does not loosen - made for assembly lines where they only tighten and don’t loosen. Ed Minch On May 19, 2014, at 6:35 AM, Malcolm Thomas |
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247978 | John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> | 2014‑05‑19 | RE: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
Malcolm: "...someone slap me 'round the head before i fill the damn shed with these things :-)" Someone who? Someone from the SGFH ? You won't find any of that kind of help from this crowd. More likely, we'll be discussing where you could buy more of them at a gloatable price. 1) There was a workshop legend that the "tighten-only" ratchet screwdrivers were for Undertakers. Once the coffin lid is screwed on, the Undertaker never needs to unscrew them ! (Has been discussed on the Porch many times.) 2) My pet hate is finding one of these beauties BENT because Denny Dimwit used it to pry something. DOH !!! 3) There are mother lodes. Years ago, a friend was at a hardware store Going Out of Business Sale, and had the presence of mind to cop the compartmented box of Yankee bits and accessories. (No, you can't buy any of them!) Keep this in mind the next time a local hardware finds that resistance to the Borg is futile. John Ruth ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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247980 | Bill Ghio <bghio@m...> | 2014‑05‑19 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
Sent from my iPad > On May 19, 2014, at 10:52 AM, John Ruth |
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247987 | David Nighswander <wishingstarfarm663@m...> | 2014‑05‑20 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
From: William Ghio >>John Ruth shares his frustration. >> 2) My pet hate is finding one of these beauties BENT because Denny Dimwit used it to pry something. DOH !!! >I thot that was why they extended... better leverage! Bill, you are an echo from the past. After 50 some years of teaching people how to use tools, yup I started in 7th grade shop class, my least favorite situation is when someone spouts off with your premise and I think, “Here we go again.” There have been times I used a 3 foot long screwdriver to remove or install a screw. Never because I needed more leverage. More reach certainly but never leverage. That’s what a pipe wrench on the shank is for. |
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247988 | "nashbok@y..." <nashbok@y...> | 2014‑05‑20 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
I've always wondered how hard to "use" ratcheting screwdrivers. I've got two Yankee #30s and I'm a bit leery about working them too hard. I usually drill the largest pilot hole I can get away with and put some type of lube on the screw. I've just seen so many of these things that are beat to pieces. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android |
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247989 | JAMES THOMPSON <oldmillrat@m...> | 2014‑05‑20 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
On May 19, 2014, at 8:47 PM, nashbok@y... wrote: > I've always wondered how hard to "use" ratcheting screwdrivers. I've got two Yankee #30s and I'm a bit leery about working them too hard. I usually drill the largest pilot hole I can get away with and put some type of lube on the screw. I've just seen so many of these things that are beat to pieces. > I have never seen a idiot proof tool. Everything can be damaged by the right kind of abuse. But I don't believe you can hurt a tool by using it properly, even if you try to work it to death. The destruction you see on old tools is all caused by misuse. |
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247990 | Ed Minch <ruby@m...> | 2014‑05‑20 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
Although I do have (or did have) one of these very same ratchet screwdrivers that had been used up. The nickel was all but gone off the barrel, the paint was long gone off the handle, and the mechanism slipped when you pushed it in forward, but not in reverse. Just plain worn out. Ed Minch On May 20, 2014, at 9:14 AM, JAMES THOMPSON |
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247993 | Richard Wilson <yorkshireman@y...> | 2014‑05‑20 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
Yankee 130A - Quick return, length 20@ open, with three bits, is listed at 40/9 (That's 40 shillings and nine pence, Paddy) in my Rycrofts catalogue of 1963 another 1000 pages of good stuff in there too so - after '63, but make alowance for this being a trade price. Richard Wilson Yorkshireman Galoot in Northumberland On 18 May 2014, at 15:31, Malcolm Thomas wrote: > >> this one is a bit tricky...its a current listing so i cant supply the link... > > > > ..ok, the auction has ended now, so I can provide a bit more info, if it helps date this more .. > > > my guess is it’s between 1957 and 1971 (end of decimal currency in the UK was in Feb 1971 [we got free money at school !!] . 77/- being the price I am guessing and assuming it was originally sold in the UK and not Oz for example)… > >> |
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247996 | Mick Dowling <spacelysprocket@b...> | 2014‑05‑20 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
Dave, GGs Back when I was using a spiral ratchet screwdriver, I would often lock it in the extended position to shift a stubborn screw. The extra length makes a huge difference. I gather you get an increase in torque from the extra length. I can also vouch for the wood gouging ability of a runaway spiral ratchet. Additionally I can vouch for it's ability to gouge into the fingers of apprentice carpenters who ignored the advice of the apprentice master to keep fingers clear of the spiral shaft. Healed nicely a long time ago, but from time to time the scar is still visible. Mick Dowling Melbourne Member, Hand Tool Preservation Association of Australia Inc. On 20/05/2014 11:46 am, "Dave Nighswander" |
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247998 | Mick Dowling <spacelysprocket@b...> | 2014‑05‑20 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
Mal Once you have collected all the spiral ratchet screwdrivers, you can start of the other related Yankee stuff. I picked this up at a HTPAA tool sale thinking that it was a modified screwdriver, but is in fact a stock item. Not often seen in Australia, but apparently common as muck in NA. Pic here: http://tinyurl.com/mtszcrq Mick Dowling Melbourne Member, Hand Tool Preservation Association of Australia Inc. On 19/05/2014 8:35 pm, "Malcolm Thomas" |
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247999 | Malcolm Thomas <idraconus@i...> | 2014‑05‑20 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
That narrows it down a bit more, thanks. Cheers Mal Oz (Perth to be more precise) On 21 May 2014, at 3:19 am, Richard Wilson |
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248000 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2014‑05‑20 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
Can't deny it helped, but it was not simply that a longer driver increased the torque. But a longer driver might make it easier for you to increase torque as follows, by. - applying a wrench to the blade of a screwdriver, increasing the leverage applied. - applying more force, perhaps by getting a better grip - applying the force square to the center of rotation (where the force acts on the driver) (i.e., getting a better angle on it). My 0.02 Don . On 5/20/2014 5:31 PM, Mick Dowling wrote: > Back when I was using a spiral ratchet screwdriver, I would often lock it in > the extended position to shift a stubborn screw. The extra length makes a > huge difference. I gather you get an increase in torque from the extra > length. |
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248001 | Malcolm Thomas <idraconus@i...> | 2014‑05‑21 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
Mick replied... > picked this up at a HTPAA tool sale thinking that it was a modified > screwdriver, but is in fact a stock item. Not often seen in Australia, but > apparently common as muck in NA. > > Pic here: http://tinyurl.com/mtszcrq Had not come across that one before Mick, interesting indeed….. > Once you have collected all the spiral ratchet screwdrivers, you can start > of the other related Yankee stuff. Not all Yankee, but picked these up last night - another dry Telly night … quite early this one I think ….ok for $10 I think… https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/early%20Goodell%20Bro s.JPG">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/early%20Goodell%20Bros. JPG https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/early%20Goodell%20Bro s2.JPG">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/early%20Goodell%20Bros 2.JPG this’ll take a while to get here - from Canada via Alabama (thanks Doc !)… https:/ /dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/NB%20100.JPG Cheers Mal Oz (Perth to be more precise) |
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248004 | Ed Minch <ruby@m...> | 2014‑05‑21 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
Whazzat den? Ed Minch On May 20, 2014, at 7:31 PM, Mick Dowling |
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248009 | Thomas Conroy <booktoolcutter@y...> | 2014‑05‑21 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
Ed Minch wrote: "Wait til you discover the true range of these things. I even found one that only tightens and does not loosen - made for assembly lines where they only tighten and don’t loosen." I've got one like that, another inherited tool (though not one I use much any more), and a favorite because the action is so sweet and it is conveniently small. It has a patent date of Oct. 7, 1884. And a mark "Decatur Coffin Co." Not sure "assembly line" is quite the right term. Tom Conroy Berkeley |
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248010 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2014‑05‑21 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
> Not all Yankee, but picked these up last night - another dry Telly > night … > quite early this one I think ….ok for $10 I think… I'd call it a good price. These are the downright prettiest ones made. People who know them like them a lot (that would be me). Several are on eBay right now, listed with starting bids from one at $6.99 to over $40. Yours is quite early. Easily dated, as Goodell Brothers became Goodell-Pratt in 1899. There's a great page on these (and other Goodell Bros & Goodell-Pratt tools) at: http://oldtoolheaven.com/related/goodell-pratt- screwdrivers.htm">http://oldtoolheaven.com/related/goodell-pratt- screwdrivers.htm My first one was a #22 I picked up for a ridiculously cheap price. The other is like yours I picked up later from eBay. Mike in Sacto |
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248011 | Ed Minch <ruby@m...> | 2014‑05‑21 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
In the North book (lost in the move 5 years ago) there are a couple of models that were made for assembly lines - mine is one of those. Ed Minch On May 21, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Thomas Conroy |
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248032 | David Nighswander <wishingstarfarm663@m...> | 2014‑05‑22 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
Dear Mick and Galloot’s past, current, and future. >Dave, GGs >Back when I was using a spiral ratchet screwdriver, I would often lock it in >the extended position to shift a stubborn screw. The extra length makes a >huge difference. I gather you get an increase in torque from the extra >length. Okay guys I admit I was trying to be funny. I missed completely. >From: William Ghio >>>John Ruth shares his frustration. >>> 2) My pet hate is finding one of these beauties BENT because Denny Dimwit used it to pry >>something. DOH !!! >>I thot that was why they extended... better leverage! >Bill, you are an echo from the past. After 50 some years of teaching people how to use tools, >yup I started in 7th grade shop class, my least favorite situation is when someone spouts off >with your premise and I think, “Here we go again.” >There have been times I used a 3 foot long screwdriver to remove or install a screw. Never >because I needed more leverage. More reach certainly but never leverage. >That’s what a pipe wrench on the shank is for. Humor always gets me in trouble. I’ll try to explain the concept more completely. Torque is measured in foot/pounds or newton/meters. One foot/pound of torque on a bolt or screw is the rotational force applied by a one pound weight on a one foot long lever. One inch/pound of torque on a bolt or screw is the rotational force applied by a one pound weight on a one inch long lever. A screwdriver is used to rotate a screw by engaging the bit in the head of the screw. Gripping the handle and turning the handle around the center axis of the shank rotates the screwdriver and the screw. Increasing the diameter of the handle will increase the possible torque that the user is capable of applying with the screwdriver. Using a longer shank only extends the distance the handle is away from the head of the screw. It has no effect on the rotational force. If you are using the screwdriver as a chisel or to open paint cans you shouldn’t be in this conversation. You can access a nifty little graphic at Wikipedia that shows the concept in color, here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torqu e |
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248033 | Ed Minch <ruby@m...> | 2014‑05‑22 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
Most very long screwdrivers DO in fact make it easier to work a screw because the handles i=usually have a larger diameter handle = more torque. So any perception has a basis in fact . Ed Minch On May 22, 2014, at 12:55 PM, David Nighswander |
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248035 | Brian Rytel <brian.rytel@g...> | 2014‑05‑22 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
First, let's all take a second to enjoy that we get to read from one of the few forums/newsgroups where there is serious and appropriate discussion of screwdriver & turn-screw usage. I'll throw in a slightly contrarian view. I first read it in "Educational woodworking for home and school" (Park, Joseph C - 1908) and have observed this to *sometimes* be the case when using longer screwdrivers: "A long screwdriver works much better than a short one. In theory one should keep the screwdriver in line with the screw, but in actual practice it wobbles, forming a circle as the screw turns, thus increasing the leverage. Now, the longer the screwdriver the larger the circle described, and the larger the circle the greater the leverage." Second whole paragraph from pg. 139: https://archive.org/ details/educationalwood00park Another way to phrase this: In most use you don't rotate the screwdriver about its true axis but in a slight conical pattern which extends the hypothetical lever to which torque is applied. I want to clarify that I don't feel this is true for a lot of screwdriver use, especially where the second hand grasps the shaft to keep it straight. Brian Rytel On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Ed Minch wrote: > Most very long screwdrivers DO in fact make it easier to work a screw because the handles i=usually have a larger diameter handle = more torque. So any perception has a basis in fact . > > Ed Minch > On May 22, 2014, at 12:55 PM, David Nighswander |
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248036 | Ed Minch <ruby@m...> | 2014‑05‑22 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
Brian I share your sentiments on the forum and in the spirit of "serious and appropriate” discussion I would like to disagree On May 22, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Brian Rytel |
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248055 | Mick Dowling <spacelysprocket@b...> | 2014‑05‑23 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
Dave Screwdriver or chisel to open a paint can. It depends. I wouldn't use a sharp chisel, or at least not one of my sharp chisels. Screwdriver, I wouldn't recommend a Philips head. Ducking...... Mick Dowling On 23/05/2014 2:55 am, "Dave Nighswander" |
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248057 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2014‑05‑23 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
Not even good for that! I can run AND I can hide! Don On 5/22/2014 8:36 PM, Mick Dowling wrote: > Screwdriver or chisel to open a paint can. It depends. I wouldn't use a > sharp chisel, or at least not one of my sharp chisels. Screwdriver, I > wouldn't recommend a Philips head. |
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248066 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2014‑05‑23 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
> Screwdriver or chisel to open a paint can. It depends. Heh! I picked up a screwdriver that somebody modified to make it a proper tool for opening paint cans. Bent the end of the tip til it was just like a commercial paint can opener. Harder to lose, I 'spect, easier to find in the shop, better handle to grasp. Mike in Sacto |
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248082 | David Nighswander <wishingstarfarm663@m...> | 2014‑05‑23 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
>From: Michael Blair >> Screwdriver or chisel to open a paint can. It depends. >Heh! I picked up a screwdriver that somebody modified to make it >a proper tool for opening paint cans. Bent the end of the tip til >it was just like a commercial paint can opener. Harder to lose, I >'spect, easier to find in the shop, better handle to grasp. >Mike in Sacto Mike now has a specific tool used to open paint cans. An entirely different kettle of fish. And I might add an excellent excuse/reason for creating a rack for different sizes of paint can openers. Perhaps we can turn a series of wooden handles for our various and sundry paint can openers. Then we can proceed to discuss the proper angle of the end of the paint can opener. Which of course will proceed to what grit should the tip be honed to. Then we can discuss hardness and alloys of a proper paint can opener. Followed by whether a corrugated paint can opener improves the action of the original design. The choice of socketed or tanged paint can openers will segue into the various shapes and sizes of ferrules for tanged handles. Soon descending into what material is best for the ferrule. Should it be brass, steel, copper, or unobtainium. Quickly shifting focus the discussion changes to finish. Is shellac the truly best finish or should it be one of the newer polywhatsits. Retirement is awesome. On any other Friday, at this time, I would have been sitting in another boring meeting discussing absolutely useless ideas and creating meaningless reams of documents. This is much better. |
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248088 | David Nighswander <wishingstarfarm663@m...> | 2014‑05‑23 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
>From: James Thompson >Now you are starting to sound like me. Birds of a feather….. |
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248089 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2014‑05‑23 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
> And I might add an excellent excuse/reason for creating a rack for > different sizes of paint can openers. Perhaps we can turn a series of > wooden handles for our various and sundry paint can openers. Then we > can proceed to discuss... But first, should we use USA made screwdrivers because the materials are better, or should we use screwdrivers made in Sri Lanka because they aren't good enough for our purposes? And doesn't LN make an optimum paint can opener? I have actually accumulated three different styles of paint can opener, and now that I have a cabinet for paints and such, I can find all of them. > Retirement is awesome. On any other Friday, at this time, I would have > been sitting in another boring meeting discussing absolutely useless > ideas and creating meaningless reams of documents. > This is much better. I had daily morning meetings as well as the Big meeting on Wednesdays. Management had a day long meeting every Thursday. It's a great relief not to be bothered with any of them! I can't quite call myself retired yet, but the only bosses are me and the customer. Yay! Mike in Sacto |
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248090 | JAMES THOMPSON <oldmillrat@m...> | 2014‑05‑23 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
Now I am wondering if I should make my paint can openers with round, or hexagonal, or octagonal handles? Perhaps even an oval shape? Domestic hardwood, or exotic? I have a small stash of Brazilian Rosewood that I have been saving for many years now, so maybe this is the occasion to use some of it. Ebony would be cool. Egad! What would I give for a hunk of ivory? This would be a good excuse to break out the carving tools and carve little faces and stuff on the top of the handles. The possibilities are endless, and will require much study and discussion. I don't want to rush into this. With a little patience I can make this last for years. On May 23, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Michael Blair |
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248096 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2014‑05‑23 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
It's seriously under-rated. But there are those who like to work for a living, and that's good too, 'cause they don't make it to the Friday morning garge sale openings! Don On 5/23/2014 9:46 AM, David Nighswander wrote: > Retirement is awesome. On any other Friday, at this time, I would have been sitting in another boring meeting discussing absolutely useless ideas and creating meaningless reams of documents. > This is much better. |
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248103 | Ed Minch <ruby@m...> | 2014‑05‑23 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
On May 23, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Don Schwartz |
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248111 | John Holladay <docholladay0820@g...> | 2014‑05‑24 | Re: stanley yankee 130a - now with pictures |
Ed wrote: "When you retire, you won’t believe you had the time to go to work" I've heard the joke many times about a guy who retired. After a few months, he went and found a part time job. When asked why, he said, I needed to go back to work to get some rest. I've been unemployed since March 14, a victim of corporate downsizing. Thanks to a generous severance package, I've had the luxury of enjoying a sample of retirement before beginning my new job at the beginning of July. During this time, I think I have worked harder than I ever have in my life getting caught up on a lot of home projects and helping friends and relatives with stuff. I'm ready to go back to work and get some rest. Doc -- John Holladay 205-229-8484 docholladay0820@g... Sent from Gmail Mobile on iOS |
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248164 | Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> | 2014‑05‑26 | Re: Of Elegance - was stanley yankee 130a - |
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 5:29 AM, Malcolm Thomas |
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