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267603 Chuck Taylor 2019‑01‑11 Using Old Tools
Gracious and Gentle Galoots,

I was looking at an article in old Fine Woodworking collection, "Fine
Woodworking on Planes and Chisels", last night, and I would like to share a
paragraph that spoke to me. It was written by Harry Moos:

"Just a few more strokes on the oilstone and the blade is finished. I look at
its edge against the light and there is no reflection. I reassemble the plane
and run it over a long piece of pine. The first shaving is too thick. Another
adjustment, and then a paper-thin shaving curls away down the length of the
board. I make another half-dozen passes before I blow away the bits of wood
clinging to the blade, wipe away the fingerprints with an oily cloth, and place
the plane on the shelf that I have reserved for it. This once dirty, dull, and
rusted piece of iron from a flea market has become a polished, sharpened beauty,
ready to take its place among my other old tools. At times like this, I honestly
don't know if I love the tools because they enable me to work wood, of if I work
with wood because it gives me a good reason to collect these fine old tools."

I thought some of the rest of you might also enjoy reading these words.

Chuck Taylor
north of Seattle
267606 John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> 2019‑01‑11 Re: Using Old Tools
Chuck and GG’s

Hear! Hear! I’ll raise a tankard to that!

Which issue of FWW contains this Harry Moos piece? Not fair to make tantalizing
quotes without giving a reference! ;)

For me, at least, part of the joy of restoring anything is a feeling that I’ve
conquered, or at least partially reversed, decay and deterioration.

John Ruth
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267611 Chuck Taylor 2019‑01‑11 Re: Using Old Tools
John, you asked,

====
"Which issue of FWW contains this Harry Moos piece? Not fair to make tantalizing
quotes without giving a reference! "
====

The best I can do is the reference I already gave:

> I was looking at an article in old Fine Woodworking collection,
> "Fine Woodworking on Planes and Chisels"...

It is long out of print, and I couldn't find the original article in the
supposedly complete index on the FWW website, but you can find used copies of
"Fine Woodworking on Planes and Chisels" using your favorite search engine. I
found it in a used book store. It was first printed in January 1985, so the
original article appeared in the magazine some time before that.

The article title is "Useful Second Lives / Saving and using old planes." 

Chuck Taylor
north of Seattle
267612 gary may 2019‑01‑11 Re: Using Old Tools
Hey Chuck---

  That's one of the better FWW collections, "On Planes and Chisels", but
probably quite expensive---certainly rare---the Robert Meadow article "Souping
Up the Block Plane", sompin' like that, is Packed with Power, the power of
knowledge, I mean.
                            Hope I see you soon, yr pl gam

How horrible it is to have so many people killed!---And what a blessing one
cares for none of them!
Jane Austen 

    On Friday, January 11, 2019, 10:19:44 AM PST, Chuck Taylor via OldTools
 wrote:
 
 John, you asked,

====
"Which issue of FWW contains this Harry Moos piece? Not fair to make tantalizing
quotes without giving a reference! "
====

The best I can do is the reference I already gave:

> I was looking at an article in old Fine Woodworking collection,
> "Fine Woodworking on Planes and Chisels"...

It is long out of print, and I couldn't find the original article in the
supposedly complete index on the FWW website, but you can find used copies of
"Fine Woodworking on Planes and Chisels" using your favorite search engine. I
found it in a used book store. It was first printed in January 1985, so the
original article appeared in the magazine some time before that.

The article title is "Useful Second Lives / Saving and using old planes." 

Chuck Taylor
north of Seattle

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267614 Dave Leader <daveldr@c...> 2019‑01‑11 Re: Using Old Tools
Gary May wrote:

Hey Chuck---
? That's one of the better FWW collections, "On Planes and Chisels", but 
probably quite expensive---certainly rare---the Robert Meadow article 
"Souping Up the Block Plane", sompin' like that, is Packed with Power, 
the power of knowledge, I mean.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Hope I see you soon, yr pl gam
\snip

This may help

https://www.highlandwoodworking.com/fine-
woodworking-on-planes-and-chisels-40th-anniversary.aspx

HTH,
Dave in Fairfax
267616 gary may 2019‑01‑11 Re: Using Old Tools
That's a pretty good deal!  If you like just ONE article, it's about a penny a
word. best g



How horrible it is to have so many people killed!---And what a blessing one
cares for none of them!
Jane Austen 

    On Friday, January 11, 2019, 12:27:07 PM PST, Dave Leader 
wrote:
 
 Gary May wrote:

Hey Chuck---
? That's one of the better FWW collections, "On Planes and Chisels", but 
probably quite expensive---certainly rare---the Robert Meadow article 
"Souping Up the Block Plane", sompin' like that, is Packed with Power, 
the power of knowledge, I mean.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Hope I see you soon, yr pl gam
\snip

This may help

https://www.highlandwoodworking.com/fine-
woodworking-on-planes-and-chisels-40th-anniversary.aspx

HTH,
Dave in Fairfax
267617 galoot@l... 2019‑01‑11 Re: Using Old Tools
I notice with some amusement that I own all the reprints on offer 
except the one on small workshops, but I have to wonder WHY

"WARNING FOR RESIDENTS OF CALIFORNIA!

This product may expose you to chemicals known to the State of 
California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive 
harm. Please read our Proposition 65 warning.
For more information, see www.P65Warnings.ca.
gov."

unless it is a CYA statement because California in convinced everything 
causes cancer?

Esther

Quoting Dave Leader :

> Gary May wrote:
>
> Hey Chuck---
> ? That's one of the better FWW collections, "On Planes and
Chisels",
> but probably quite expensive---certainly rare---the Robert Meadow 
> article "Souping Up the Block Plane", sompin' like that, is Packed 
> with Power, the power of knowledge, I mean.
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Hope I see you soon, yr pl gam
> \snip
>
> This may help
>
>
https://www.highlandwoodworking.com/fine-
woodworking-on-planes-and-chisels-40th-anniversary.aspx[1]
>
> HTH,
> Dave in Fairfax
>
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267618 Matt Cooper <MaNoCooper@l...> 2019‑01‑11 Re: Using Old Tools
Well said. It seems I spend more time working on my finds than working wood
sometimes.
Thanks



Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S8.


-------- Original message --------
From: Chuck Taylor via OldTools 
Date: 1/11/19 10:05 (GMT-05:00)
To: OldTools List 
Subject: [OldTools] Using Old Tools

Gracious and Gentle Galoots,

I was looking at an article in old Fine Woodworking collection, "Fine
Woodworking on Planes and Chisels", last night, and I would like to share a
paragraph that spoke to me. It was written by Harry Moos:

"Just a few more strokes on the oilstone and the blade is finished. I look at
its edge against the light and there is no reflection. I reassemble the plane
and run it over a long piece of pine. The first shaving is too thick. Another
adjustment, and then a paper-thin shaving curls away down the length of the
board. I make another half-dozen passes before I blow away the bits of wood
clinging to the blade, wipe away the fingerprints with an oily cloth, and place
the plane on the shelf that I have reserved for it. This once dirty, dull, and
rusted piece of iron from a flea market has become a polished, sharpened beauty,
ready to take its place among my other old tools. At times like this, I honestly
don't know if I love the tools because they enable me to work wood, of if I work
with wood because it gives me a good reason to collect these fine old tools."

I thought some of the rest of you might also enjoy reading these words.

Chuck Taylor
north of Seattle
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267619 Kirk Eppler 2019‑01‑11 Re: Using Old Tools
CTA on all items it appears, after spot checking 2...6...10

Covering Theirs

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 1:42 PM  wrote:

> I notice with some amusement that I own all the reprints on offer
> except the one on small workshops, but I have to wonder WHY
>
> "WARNING FOR RESIDENTS OF CALIFORNIA!
>
> This product may expose you to chemicals known to the State of
> California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive
> harm. Please read our Proposition 65 warning.
> > For more information, see www.P65Warnings
.ca.gov."
>
> unless it is a CYA statement because California in convinced everything
> causes cancer?
>
>
-- 
Kirk Eppler
267620 Tony Zaffuto <tzmti@c...> 2019‑01‑11 Re: Using Old Tools
Been there, still doing that!  Have I mentioned that I need a 5th jack plane?
When do you stop buying 1/2" width chisels?  How many more Washita's do I need?

How many parking spaces are left down by the river?

T.

Anthony M. Zaffuto, President
Metaltech, Inc.
3547 Watson, Hwy.
DuBois, PA
(814) 375-9399
267621 Tony Blanks <dynnyrne@i...> 2019‑01‑11 Re: Using Old Tools (Harry Moos article)
Hi friends,

John Ruth asked:

"Which issue of FWW contains this Harry Moos piece? Not fair to make tantalizing
quotes without giving a reference! "

Issue 30, page 40.  September-October 1981.  One of the good old black 
and white issues.  Found with the aid of the good old ink on paper 
cumulative index Issues 1 to 50.  Just another old tool.

John, thanks for asking.  Its a while since I had reason to use the 
Index booklet and silverfish have moved in and started to chew the 
covers.  Fortunately the actual FWW magazines are printed on hard coated 
paper, sterner stuff.  Just another job to address in a 100 year old 
frame house.

Regards,

Tony B
in windy Hobart, Tasmania
267623 Nathan Goodwin <hiscarpentry@g...> 2019‑01‑12 Re: Using Old Tools (Harry Moos article)
“Issue 30, page 40.  September-October 1981.  One of the good old black and
white issues.”

I was two months old when that one was on the news stands! 

I suppose this is where I duck and run...

Nathan Goodwin 
H.I.S. Carpentry 
Honesty. Integrity. Service.
(617)347-6744
Blog: https://hiscarpentryblog
.wordpress.com/
267625 curt seeliger <seeligerc@g...> 2019‑01‑12 Re: Using Old Tools (Harry Moos article)
You'll need to run faster than that, kid. The rest of us are old enough to
drive.
267627 "yorkshireman@y..." <yorkshireman@y...> 2019‑01‑12 Re: Using Old Tools
Tony is pulling our legs with

..   Have I mentioned that I need a 5th jack plane… 

Five?  Can any of us REALLY get by with only 5 jack planes?  If I didnt know
better, I’d think you’re new here.


Anyway - we all know they don’t like to be counted.  


Richard Wilson
with an unknown number of jack planes which is a bigger number than 1
267628 John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> 2019‑01‑12 Re: Using Old Tools
GG’s

Jacks?  Minimum 2, one set fine and one with the mouth set “rank” with extra
camber on the blade.  Probably also need one extra-wide like a 5-1/2 and a
narrower one like a 5-1/4.

Then there’s blade pitch.  You’ll need another With 50 Degree York Pitch, and
another with 55 Degree Middle Pitch. ( See Lie-Nielsen https://www.lie-nielsen.com/nodes/4132
/high-angle-frogs )

Don’t forget that you might need a low-angle, bevel-up version too...

Then of course if you want to actually “collect” them, you’ll “need” one of each
Stanley type, perhaps also examples from each major maker. (Don’t miss out on
the Sargent Auto-Set version! ). To fill out the collection, you’ll need
Transitionals and Woodies, the latter both as “flush deckers” and razees, each
with open and closed totes.

(I just added to the OLDTOOLS vernacular by borrowing the naval term “flush
decker” to describe a non-razee woodie.  This was fair game because razee is
itself a naval term. )

Whatever you do, don’t line them up all together, because that makes it too easy
for your wife to count them!

John Ruth
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 12, 2019, at 7:06 AM, "yorkshireman@y...<mailto:yorkshireman@y...>"
mailto:yorkshireman@y...>> wrote:

Tony is pulling our legs with

..   Have I mentioned that I need a 5th jack plane…

Five?  Can any of us REALLY get by with only 5 jack planes?  If I didnt know
better, I’d think you’re new here.


Anyway - we all know they don’t like to be counted.


Richard Wilson
with an unknown number of jack planes which is a bigger number than 1



On 11 Jan 2019, at 22:40, Tony Zaffuto m
ailto:tzmti@c...>> wrote:

Been there, still doing that!  Have I mentioned that I need a 5th jack plane?
When do you stop buying 1/2" width chisels?  How many more Washita's do I need?

How many parking spaces are left down by the river?

T.

Anthony M. Zaffuto, President
Metaltech, Inc.
3547 Watson, Hwy.
DuBois, PA
(814) 375-9399

On Jan 11, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Matt Cooper
> wrote:

Well said. It seems I spend more time working on my finds than working wood
sometimes.
Thanks



Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S8.


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Date: 1/11/19 10:05 (GMT-05:00)
To: OldTools List mailto:oldtools@
s...>>
Subject: [OldTools] Using Old Tools

Gracious and Gentle Galoots,

I was looking at an article in old Fine Woodworking collection, "Fine
Woodworking on Planes and Chisels", last night, and I would like to share a
paragraph that spoke to me. It was written by Harry Moos:

"Just a few more strokes on the oilstone and the blade is finished. I look at
its edge against the light and there is no reflection. I reassemble the plane
and run it over a long piece of pine. The first shaving is too thick. Another
adjustment, and then a paper-thin shaving curls away down the length of the
board. I make another half-dozen passes before I blow away the bits of wood
clinging to the blade, wipe away the fingerprints with an oily cloth, and place
the plane on the shelf that I have reserved for it. This once dirty, dull, and
rusted piece of iron from a flea market has become a polished, sharpened beauty,
ready to take its place among my other old tools. At times like this, I honestly
don't know if I love the tools because they enable me to work wood, of if I work
with wood because it gives me a good reason to collect these fine old tools."

I thought some of the rest of you might also enjoy reading these words.

Chuck Taylor
north of Seattle
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267638 Bruce Zenge <brucensherry@g...> 2019‑01‑12 Re: Using Old Tools (Harry Moos article)
There are at least a few of us older than that.  1981? I had two kids and a
mortgage.  Oh, never mind.....
Bruce Z.
Des Moines, IA
267640 RH <rhhutchins@h...> 2019‑01‑13 Re: Using Old Tools (Harry Moos article)
I was the same age as Jack Benny!

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