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266066 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2018‑07‑10 | interesting French plane |
Jim Bode has a French plane on his site which appears to be a jointer ( 21in). It has a carved escapement and an integral 'push' which wraps around the top and right-hander's 'near' side, in-line with a patch in the sole in the usual position just ahead of the mouth. It seems to me that the shape of the 'push' on the side of the plane is not suitable for grasping or pushing with the left hand. It looks more suited to pushing with the right hand, with the thumb wrapping around the side. That would ensure solid contact between the sole and material ahead of the mouth. But that puts the right hand ahead of the mouth, a most unusual position. Am I reading this wrong? https://www.jimbodetools.com/collections/whats-new/products/exquisite- rabot-du-charpentier-deglise-the-plane-of-the-carpenter-of-the-church- 81369r">https://www.jimbodetools.com/collections/whats-new/products/exquisite- rabot-du-charpentier-deglise-the-plane-of-the-carpenter-of-the-church-81369r Don -- “Error flies from mouth to mouth, from pen to pen, and to destroy it takes ages.” Voltaire “A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely re-arranging their prejudices.” William James |
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266067 | Phil Schempf <philschempf@g...> | 2018‑07‑10 | Re: interesting French plane |
It looks that way to me, Don. It would put the hand directly over the cutting edge of the iron, but leaves the other hand with little to contribute. Maybe the idea of a one hand jointer didn't catch on. I don't think I've seen another similar. Phil |
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266068 | Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> | 2018‑07‑10 | Re: interesting French plane |
With a slight typo on your part, I agree with your thoughts. Weird bird. Maybe designed for a specific purpose, but I don't know what it could be. ....Left hand ahead of the mouth.... On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:49 AM, Don Schwartz |
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266069 | scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> | 2018‑07‑10 | Re: interesting French plane |
Ok this is super weird. The blade is very low angle, look how long the blade ramp is! It looks like you could put your right hand inside the "hook", left hand forward into space, and push it from the middle of the plane. Looks ---really-- uncomfortable. OR you could put your left hand into the hook and the right somewhere behind the blade and push that way. Any particle of a tote or even a bump would be really appreciable pushing it this way. Still makes it a damn "rt hand only" plane grrrrrrrrrrrr yours Scott -- ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html |
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266070 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2018‑07‑10 | Re: interesting French plane |
On 2018-07-10 12:35 PM, scott grandstaff wrote: > Ok this is super weird. > The blade is very low angle, look how long the blade ramp is! The angle made me think it could be for use as a mitre plane - a very long one! Don “Error flies from mouth to mouth, from pen to pen, and to destroy it takes ages.” Voltaire “A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely re-arranging their prejudices.” William James |
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266071 | John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> | 2018‑07‑10 | Re: interesting French plane |
GG's, I'm thinking that if the user was right-handed, his left small finger was up against the "cuff" with the web of his rather large hand on the wedge. Look at the relief on the left side of the wooden wedge in the second and third photos. (It does not show up well in the first photo.) IMHO, this relief is too distinct to be mere wear from heavy use. Its a place to rest the web of one's left hand. We know it was used a lot because of the patch in the sole. (BTW, isn't that the most ornate throat-closing patch you've ever seen? ) This was somebody's "go-to" plane. Have we considered the possibility that the user was a lefty? Or, that he lost a hand in the Napoleonic wars ? John Ruth In New Jersey, where the Flea Market Season is in full swing. |
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266072 | "Ed O'" <edo@e...> | 2018‑07‑10 | Re: interesting French plane |
I assumed that the right hand was behind the "cuff" with thumb pointing down on the side and the index finger on the top crossing over the top of the plane and that the relieve on the wedge was for chafing relief of the wrist or forearm against the wedge. With the left hand forward of the top escapement. -----Original Message----- GG's, I'm thinking that if the user was right-handed, his left small finger was up against the "cuff" with the web of his rather large hand on the wedge. Look at the relief on the left side of the wooden wedge in the second and third photos. (It does not show up well in the first photo.) IMHO, this relief is too distinct to be mere wear from heavy use. Its a place to rest the web of one's left hand. We know it was used a lot because of the patch in the sole. (BTW, isn't that the most ornate throat-closing patch you've ever seen? ) This was somebody's "go-to" plane. Have we considered the possibility that the user was a lefty? Or, that he lost a hand in the Napoleonic wars ? John Ruth |
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266073 | Mick Dowling <spacelysprocket@b...> | 2018‑07‑10 | Re: interesting French plane |
Don, GGs That's an incredibly long way out for the shavings. I'd like to see the shape of the throat. Plenty of opportunity for jamming/choking. I also wonder if it is to be used primarily single handed. Mick Dowling Melbourne Member, Hand Tool Preservation Association of Australia Inc. On 11/7/18, 2:49 am, "Don Schwartz" |
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266074 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2018‑07‑10 | Re: interesting French plane |
On 2018-07-10 3:27 PM, Ed O' wrote: > I assumed that the right hand was behind the "cuff" with thumb pointing > down on the side and the index finger on the top crossing over the top of > the plane and that the relieve on the wedge was for chafing relief of the > wrist or forearm against the wedge. With the left hand forward of the top > escapement. This seems right to me, though it does seem odd. Don -- “Error flies from mouth to mouth, from pen to pen, and to destroy it takes ages.” Voltaire “A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely re-arranging their prejudices.” William James |
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266077 | Spike Cornelius <spikethebike@c...> | 2018‑07‑11 | Re: Fwd: Re: interesting French plane |
Sent from the seat of my pants > On Jul 10, 2018, at 11:37 PM, Don Schwartz |
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266079 | CheekyGeek <cheekygeek@g...> | 2018‑07‑11 | Re: interesting French plane |
I came here to say what Don said. If you look at the carving, it extends on one side of the plane but is flat on the other. This image shows that it can lay flat on that side: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0978/7942/products/81369Rc_1900x.jpg So I think it is a Mitre plane. The inlay around the mouth also suggests (at least to me) the shape of a Bishop's Mitre. In fact, I might suggest that it is not supposed to be a functional item, but perhaps a gift for a Bishop who appreciated woodworking. After all, they purported to work for a onetime Jewish carpenter. :) I think it is is supposed to be displayed on its side, so you see that mouth inlay. What makes less sense to me is that the feathers remind me of a native American chief's headdress. If my Bishop's guess is correct, however, maybe it is supposed to be an angel's wing(s)? In any event, Jim has had this plane for a while. It was listed on eBay back in 2013. It is discussed on this French forum, where the OP doubts that it is French at all. http://www.forum-outils-anciens.com/t5599-Varlope-pas-ch-re.htm Darren Addy Kearney, NE On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 1:51 PM, Don Schwartz |
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266080 | james rich <jameslrich3@g...> | 2018‑07‑11 | Re: interesting French plane |
Possibly for shooting, looks like it would work, would be nice to hold it to see. |
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266082 | bridger@b... | 2018‑07‑11 | Re: interesting French plane |
On 2018-07-10 13:51, Don Schwartz wrote: > On 2018-07-10 12:35 PM, scott grandstaff wrote: >> Ok this is super weird. >> The blade is very low angle, look how long the blade ramp is! > > The angle made me think it could be for use as a mitre plane - a very > long one! > > Don > I think you've got it there. The scoop out of the wedge catches the heel of the right hand, the left hand is holding the workpiece in the shooting board. |
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