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221349 | Verachten Bruno <gounthar@g...> | 2011‑09‑04 | Hand operated post drill |
Hi guys, I went and picked up this drill yesterday: http://ez2cu.free.fr/bois/2011/08/17/perceuse_2.jpg. Unfortunately, it now lacks the handle. I missed this one: http://ez2cu.free.fr/bois/2011/07/01/3784317835%5B1%5D.jpg a few weeks ago. Kind regards, -- Bruno Verachten ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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221353 | James Thompson <oldmillrat@m...> | 2011‑09‑04 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
I am curious to know why you don't like Bruno? Was it something he said? On Sep 4, 2011, at 12:40 AM, Verachten Bruno wrote: > Hi guys, > > I went and picked up this drill yesterday: > http://ez2cu.free.fr/bois/2011/08/17/perceuse_2.jpg. > Unfortunately, it now lacks the handle. > I missed this one: > http://ez2cu.free.fr/bois/2011/07/01/3784317835%5B1%5D.jpg a few weeks > ago. > > Kind regards, > -- > Bruno Verachten > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool > aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage, > value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of > traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools. > > To change your subscription options: > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools > > To read the FAQ: > http://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html > > OldTools archive: http://swingleydev.com/archive/ > > OldTools@r... > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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221357 | Bill Taggart <w.taggart@v...> | 2011‑09‑04 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
On 9/4/2011 3:40 AM, Verachten Bruno wrote: > Hi guys, > > I went and picked up this drill yesterday: > http://ez2cu.free.fr/bois/2011/08/17/perceuse_2.jpg. > Unfortunately, it now lacks the handle. > I missed this one: > http://ez2cu.free.fr/bois/2011/07/01/3784317835%5B1%5D.jpg a few weeks > ago. > > Kind regards, Why does it now lack the handle? That is a way gool, high-gizmo post drill. I've never seen one like that before. Looks like it mounts on a bench, rather than a post? And has a vise on the back side? And check out the size of that horizontal flywheel on top!! Holy cow! Looks pretty darn top-heavy. The other one also is way cool. I've never seen one with fly weights instead of a flywheel. Tres cool. Thanks for sharing the pics! - Bill T. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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221362 | <roygriggs@v...> | 2011‑09‑04 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
Bruno, Does the head swivel to use the vise on the backside? Of course if the head swivels, then the vise isn't on the backside it's on the other side. Roy Griggs roygriggs@w... ---- Peter Robinson |
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221369 | James Thompson <oldmillrat@m...> | 2011‑09‑05 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
I didn't get a reply to my query, so I am wondering if "Verachten Bruno" is a si g, or if it is actually a name. 'Verachten" is the German verb, "to despise or hate". I wouldn't have expected s uch a name from France. A sig perhaps. Inquiring minds, and all that..... C'mon, Bruno....Enlighten us. :>) I don't recall a bio. On Sep 4, 2011, at 10:24 AM, James Thompson wrote: > I am curious to know why you don't like Bruno? Was it something he said? > > > On Sep 4, 2011, at 12:40 AM, Verachten Bruno wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> I went and picked up this drill yesterday: >> http://ez2cu.free.fr/bois/2011/08/17/perceuse_2.jpg. >> Unfortunately, it now lacks the handle. >> I missed this one: >> http://ez2cu.free.fr/bois/2011/07/01/3784317835%5B1%5D.jpg a few weeks >> ago. >> >> Kind regards, >> -- >> Bruno Verachten ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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221372 | Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> | 2011‑09‑05 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Verachten Bruno |
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221368 | Ed Minch <ruby@m...> | 2011‑09‑05 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
On Sep 5, 2011, at 3:49 AM, Verachten Bruno wrote: >> The other one also is way cool. I've never seen one with fly weights >> instead of a flywheel. Tres cool. > Very cool and dangerous... A question: Are those spinning balls a flywheel, or a speed regulator. It seems that if the maker wanted a flywheel effect, the cheapest and easiest way to get it is with a flywheel - one casting that is fixed to the axle. On the other hand, why regulate the speed of a hand driven drill in such an elaborate manner? And it doesn't seem to be adjustable. So what were they thinking? Ed Minch ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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221380 | James Thompson <oldmillrat@m...> | 2011‑09‑05 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
Welcome aboard, Bruno! Now you have a bio posted, and my curiosity is satisfied. There is a character in a movie named Bruno, and I hate him, so I thought it possible that you did, too. :>) Now I am trying to figure out how you make noise with a scrub plane. On Sep 5, 2011, at 5:37 AM, Verachten Bruno wrote: >> I didn't get a reply to my query, so I am wondering if "Verachten >> Bruno" is a sig, or if it is actually a name. > Sorry guys, that's my name. >>> 'Verachten" is the German verb, "to despise or hate". I wouldn't >>> have expected such a name from France. A sig perhaps. > In fact, that's a german verb, but in my case (and thanks btw to my > father in law who found that) that's from an old belgium name > "VRANKEN". So, my belgian ancestors were name VRANKEN, then VERCHTEN, > and then, Verachten. BTW, I think my parents used to write it with a > accent, V=E9rachten. >> As for Bruno, well, it was an old german monk... But when I was born, > Bruno was a very common first name in France. So, I'm french, live in > France, was born in France, and have nothing against me or other > Bruno. ;-) >>> C'mon, Bruno....Enlighten us. :>) I don't recall a bio. > That's because I'm shy, and it's difficult for me to speak of myself, > in English all the more reason! Well, I'm 37, married, and we have 4 > 1/2 twins (boys). I work as a computer analyst, and love working wood > with old iron. I don't have much time to practice, but love to do it > when I can (I was asked to stop using the scrub plane yesterday around > 10pm because of the noise). ;-) >>>> I am curious to know why you don't like Bruno? Was it something he >>>> said? > I hadn't caught your humorous remark. >> Regards, > --> Bruno Verachten, France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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221383 | James Thompson <oldmillrat@m...> | 2011‑09‑05 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
There is an old country saying here, "I'm doing the best I can with what I got." Sounds like that is the case with you. Keep on doing the best you can with whate ver you have to work with. It works for me. On Sep 5, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Verachten Bruno wrote: >> Now I am trying to figure out how you make noise with a scrub plane. > It seems I had a bad idea when building my temporary workbench. > I used some kind of torsion box build with 2x4. I screwed the 2x4 to > the walls of the garage, that happen to be the house walls too. > My bench stops are all metal btw (ahem, they are screws in fact), and > that doesn't do any good for deadening the sound. > Each scrub plane "stroke" (with a "big" chunk of wood removed) echoes > into the torsion box structure, to the walls of the house. > SWMBO thought I was using a hammer. :-( > > Now you know all about me, even my poor workbench construction skills. ;-) > > Kind regards, > -- > Bruno Verachten ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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221363 | Verachten Bruno <gounthar@g...> | 2011‑09‑05 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
> Why does it now lack the handle? The seller (who told me lots of bullshit) picked it up at some place, knocked it down to carry it later. He went to pick it up later, and didn't see some parts were missing. > That is a way gool, high-gizmo post drill. =A0I've never seen one like > that before. =A0Looks like it mounts on a bench, rather than a post? > =A0And has a vise on the back side? It would require a helluva bench! Well, if it layed on the ground, it would be difficult to operate, so... I think it should be placed on a brick and mortar bench. I'll see what I can do. > And check out the size of that horizontal flywheel on top!! > =A0Holy cow! 33 inches of pure pleasure. > Looks pretty darn top-heavy. My back can confirm that. I had scheduled dragging it to the basement, but I have to buy superhero muscles beforehand. > The other one also is way cool. =A0I've never seen one with fly > weights instead of a flywheel. =A0Tres cool. Very cool and dangerous... > Thanks for sharing the pics! That's my pleasure. Kind regards, --Bruno Verachten, France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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221364 | Verachten Bruno <gounthar@g...> | 2011‑09‑05 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
Hi Peter, > your drill looks wonderful. Who is the manufacturer? I don't know yet. There seems to be a plate missing on the post. I suppose the manufacturer name was written there. As I scrape the drill, I may discover something. > It's a shame about the handle. What happened to it? Please see my previous email. > From the body casting it looks very much like mine which is made by Fr. > Eduard Engels, though mine has the safety option of a flywheeel at the top. Patrick Leach told me it was a Millers Falls, but I can't confirm, as I haven't seen it closely. I have been tiresome with the seller (because of my timetable), and he lost patience. Kind regards, -- Bruno Verachten, France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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221365 | Verachten Bruno <gounthar@g...> | 2011‑09‑05 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
Roy , > =A0Does the head swivel to use the vise on the backside? Yes, the head seems to swivel, as the vise... I still have to derust, grease and so on to be sure, but it looks like the head and the vise can swivel... Kind regards, --Bruno Verachten, France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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221359 | Peter Robinson <peter.robinson.old.tools@g...> | 2011‑09‑05 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
On 04-Sep-11 17:40, Verachten Bruno wrote: > I went and picked up this drill yesterday: > http://ez2cu.free.fr/bois/2011/08/17/perceuse_2.jpg. > Unfortunately, it now lacks the handle. Hi Bruno, your drill looks wonderful. Who is the manufacturer? It's a shame about the handle. What happened to it? > I missed this one: > http://ez2cu.free.fr/bois/2011/07/01/3784317835%5B1%5D.jpg The one you missed, goodness, I imagine drilling away and being cracked in the head! From the body casting it looks very much like mine which is made by Fr. Eduard Engels, though mine has the safety option of a flywheeel at the top. Oh, I see I picked it up in Jan 2006 and the photos were in the old galoot image central before it was hacked. I need to dig up the photos and put them up again. regards, Peter in Brisbane, Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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221370 | Verachten Bruno <gounthar@g...> | 2011‑09‑05 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
> I didn't get a reply to my query, so I am wondering if "Verachten > Bruno" is a sig, or if it is actually a name. Sorry guys, that's my name. > 'Verachten" is the German verb, "to despise or hate". I wouldn't have > expected such a name from France. A sig perhaps. In fact, that's a german verb, but in my case (and thanks btw to my father in law who found that) that's from an old belgium name "VRANKEN". So, my belgian ancestors were name VRANKEN, then VERCHTEN, and then, Verachten. BTW, I think my parents used to write it with a accent, V=E9rachten. As for Bruno, well, it was an old german monk... But when I was born, Bruno was a very common first name in France. So, I'm french, live in France, was born in France, and have nothing against me or other Bruno. ;-) > C'mon, Bruno....Enlighten us. :>) I don't recall a bio. That's because I'm shy, and it's difficult for me to speak of myself, in English all the more reason! Well, I'm 37, married, and we have 4 1/2 twins (boys). I work as a computer analyst, and love working wood with old iron. I don't have much time to practice, but love to do it when I can (I was asked to stop using the scrub plane yesterday around 10pm because of the noise). ;-) >> I am curious to know why you don't like Bruno? Was it something >> he said? I hadn't caught your humorous remark. Regards, --Bruno Verachten, France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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221373 | Verachten Bruno <gounthar@g...> | 2011‑09‑05 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
I should have been cautious about this assertion. He wrote something like: "modified Millers Falls". I hope Patrick won't mind if I paste his prose here: " It's a Millers Falls (made about 40 miles from where I live) with a user addition of a governor similar to what a steam engine uses. I've never seen such a modification." There's a thread there that discusses this drill: http://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/hand-operated-pillar-drills-t53554-15.html . I still have the phone/email of the seller (in France), if anyone wants to try his luck. Kind regards, -- Bruno Verachten ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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221393 | Bill Taggart <w.taggart@v...> | 2011‑09‑05 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
On 9/5/2011 6:55 AM, Ed Minch wrote: > > A question: Are those spinning balls a flywheel, or a speed > regulator. It seems that if the maker wanted a flywheel effect, the > cheapest and easiest way to get it is with a flywheel - one casting > that is fixed to the axle. On the other hand, why regulate the speed > of a hand driven drill in such an elaborate manner? And it doesn't > seem to be adjustable. So what were they thinking? Is it possible they provide downward force on the shaft, to press the spinning bit into the wood? - Bill T. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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221382 | Verachten Bruno <gounthar@g...> | 2011‑09‑05 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
> Now I am trying to figure out how you make noise with a scrub plane. It seems I had a bad idea when building my temporary workbench. I used some kind of torsion box build with 2x4. I screwed the 2x4 to the walls of the garage, that happen to be the house walls too. My bench stops are all metal btw (ahem, they are screws in fact), and that doesn't do any good for deadening the sound. Each scrub plane "stroke" (with a "big" chunk of wood removed) echoes into the torsion box structure, to the walls of the house. SWMBO thought I was using a hammer. :-( Now you know all about me, even my poor workbench construction skills. ;-) Kind regards, -- Bruno Verachten ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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221394 | Peter Robinson <peter.robinson.old.tools@g...> | 2011‑09‑06 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
On 05-Sep-11 17:53, Verachten Bruno wrote: >> From the body casting it looks very much like mine which is made by Fr. >> Eduard Engels, though mine has the safety option of a flywheeel at the top. > Patrick Leach told me it was a Millers Falls, but I can't confirm, as > I haven't seen it closely. Hmm, just checking, did Patrick say that about the one with the governor on the top? I was meaning that one, the one you didn't buy. It looks more like a German style drill to me. regards, Peter Peter Robinson in Brisbane, Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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221395 | Peter Robinson <peter.robinson.old.tools@g...> | 2011‑09‑06 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
On 05-Sep-11 23:49, Verachten Bruno wrote: > I hope Patrick won't mind if I paste his prose here: " It's a Millers > Falls (made about 40 miles > from where I live) with a user addition of > a governor similar to what a steam engine uses. > I've never seen such a modification." Ah, I see you've already answered the question I just sent - oops. Maybe we need a post drill type study. It doesn't look like any M-F I have seen but Patrick clearly knows otherwise. regards, Peter Peter Robinson in Brisbane, Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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221404 | Verachten Bruno <gounthar@g...> | 2011‑09‑06 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
Hi Peter, >> Patrick Leach told me it was a Millers Falls, but I can't confirm, as >> I haven't seen it closely. > Hmm, just checking, did Patrick say that about the one with the governor on > the top? > I was meaning that one, the one you didn't buy. > It looks more like a German style drill to me. I just don't know where it was made. Yes, Patrick was referring to this one. I hadn't seen the one I bought yet when I sent him the picture of the big balls drill. Kind regards, -- Bruno Verachten ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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221428 | Verachten Bruno <gounthar@g...> | 2011‑09‑07 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
Hi Peter, >> your drill looks wonderful. Who is the manufacturer? > I don't know yet. There seems to be a plate missing on the post. I > suppose the manufacturer name was written there. > As I scrape the drill, I may discover something. bad luck: http://ez2cu.free.fr/bois/2011/09/07/P1030561.JPG No plate, and no hole where rivets could have been fixed. http://ez2cu.free.fr/bois/2011/09/07/P1030563.JPG As for the swivelling action: http://ez2cu.free.fr/bois/2011/09/07/P1030567.JPG http://ez2cu.free.fr/bois/2011/09/07/P1030568.JPG Kind regards, -- Bruno Verachten ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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230545 | James Thompson <oldmillrat@m...> | 2012‑05‑30 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
I thought that the "magic" formula was ATF with a little acetone. Wasn't that a settled issue? Somebody even posted test results. Now Kroil is better? By what s tandard? On May 30, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Verachten Bruno wrote: > John, > >> One word: Kroil. Forget WD-40. You need a rust solvent and Kroil is the >> best around. I could never have complete my post drill restoration >> without it. > Thanks for the tip, I will try to source some in France. > > Kind regards, > -- > Bruno Verachten > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool > aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage, > value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of > traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools. > > To change your subscription options: > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools > > To read the FAQ: > http://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html > > OldTools archive: http://swingleydev.com/archive/ > > OldTools@r... > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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230540 | Sgt42RHR@a... | 2012‑05‑30 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
Bruno, One word: Kroil. Forget WD-40. You need a rust solvent and Kroil is the best around. I could never have complete my post drill restoration without it. John John M. Johnston "There is a fine line between hobby and mental illness." Dave Barry In a message dated 5/30/2012 9:39:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, gounthar@g... writes: You'd better not be in a hurry when being me, because I'm slow as can be... >>> your drill looks wonderful. Who is the manufacturer? Anyway, I still haven't found the manufacturer of my drill, still missing its handle: http://cdn.hubic.me/PZLjyc31Nt8R/perceuse_1.jpg . I put it back on its three feets down in the basement, put lots of WD-40 and managed to crank it. It now turns, but doesn't go up and down (except for changing gears). As I tried to loosen up the automatic height mechanism, I ... broke it (damn cast iron). It began to move just a little bit, so I put some more power into loosening it up, and bam, it broke. I still have to loosen up a few other parts to get the remains of the mechanism. This will involve boring damaged screws, maybe using a torch, and so on. I do hope I won't make any other damage. This old lady has to live again... The previous "owner" told me the height mechanism was working, it just needed a little lubricant. Well, a lever of the mechanism was broken, it should have lit a red alert in my head. All is my fault. I just hope it will work again one day (350lbs of unused cast iron in the basement is a no-no for you know who...). Next episode in a few ... months? Kind regards, -- Bruno Verachten ------------------------------------------------------------------------ OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage, value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools. To change your subscription options: http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools To read the FAQ: http://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html OldTools archive: http://swingleydev.com/archive/ OldTools@r... http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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230546 | Sgt42RHR@a... | 2012‑05‑30 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
I stand corrected; second best around and it worked like a champ in disseasembling my post drill. When I run out, I'll mix up some ATF/Acetone. Cheers, John John M. Johnston "There is a fine line between hobby and mental illness." Dave Barry In a message dated 5/30/2012 2:06:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, oldmillrat@m... writes: I thought that the "magic" formula was ATF with a little acetone. Wasn't that a settled issue? Somebody even posted test results. Now Kroil is better? By what standard? On May 30, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Verachten Bruno wrote: > John, > >> One word: Kroil. Forget WD-40. You need a rust solvent and Kroil is the >> best around. I could never have complete my post drill restoration >> without it. > Thanks for the tip, I will try to source some in France. > > Kind regards, > -- > Bruno Verachten > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool > aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage, > value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of > traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools. > > To change your subscription options: > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools > > To read the FAQ: > http://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html > > OldTools archive: http://swingleydev.com/archive/ > > OldTools@r... > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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230534 | Verachten Bruno <gounthar@g...> | 2012‑05‑30 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
You'd better not be in a hurry when being me, because I'm slow as can be... >>> your drill looks wonderful. Who is the manufacturer? Anyway, I still haven't found the manufacturer of my drill, still missing its handle: http://cdn.hubic.me/PZLjyc31Nt8R/perceuse_1.jpg . I put it back on its three feets down in the basement, put lots of WD-40 and managed to crank it. It now turns, but doesn't go up and down (except for changing gears). As I tried to loosen up the automatic height mechanism, I ... broke it (damn cast iron). It began to move just a little bit, so I put some more power into loosening it up, and bam, it broke. I still have to loosen up a few other parts to get the remains of the mechanism. This will involve boring damaged screws, maybe using a torch, and so on. I do hope I won't make any other damage. This old lady has to live again... The previous "owner" told me the height mechanism was working, it just needed a little lubricant. Well, a lever of the mechanism was broken, it should have lit a red alert in my head. All is my fault. I just hope it will work again one day (350lbs of unused cast iron in the basement is a no-no for you know who...). Next episode in a few ... months? Kind regards, -- Bruno Verachten ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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230556 | John Holladay <docholladay0820@g...> | 2012‑05‑30 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
Here we go again on that subject. I'm amazed that there has only be two or three responses. Anyway, I too vote for ATF and acetone. Even so, for most of the stuff I do, I use Marvel Mystery Oil - mostly because it smells nice and it works for most of my purposes. Doc On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:18 PM, |
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230542 | Verachten Bruno <gounthar@g...> | 2012‑05‑30 | Re: Hand operated post drill |
John, > One word: =A0Kroil. =A0Forget WD-40. =A0You need a rust solvent =A0and > Kroil is the best around. =A0I could never have complete my post drill > =A0restoration without it. Thanks for the tip, I will try to source some in France. Kind regards, --Bruno Verachten ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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