Greetings Galoots,

The current thread on Galoots in IT has prompted me to finally
post a bio.

I am Gavin Palmer of Sydney, Australia. I am a 35 Y.O. father of 2 who
makes a living designing and building Oracle databases and applications
and find it very therapeutic to have something that I can point to or
sit on, and say 'I made that'. It may not be straight, flat or square,
but I made it.

I am still weaning myself off the tailed devices, and some I probably
will never really get away from. I have most of the planes I need and
nowhere near as many as I want - the same with saws and everything I
guess. I really like planes and chisels, and have several wooden planes
that I have sort of started and which get worked on occasionally.

So far, I have made a bench with a lot of help from Bob Key and son
(many thanks indeed). Although I am not fully satisfied with it, it is
indeed a good first bench - the lack of satisfaction relates to my skill
level when building the thing, no reflection on Bob's fine
instructions!. None of my friends see the faults that glare at me when I
use it, so they can't be too bad. I am already planning Bench #2.

And a bowsaw, and a panel gauge and panel fielding plane...

Shop storage, a tool cabinet, saw till, sharpening station (both SS and
water stones) are all on the to do list, but keep getting bumped by
things for the house - a coffee table, toy boxes and shelves. Bedside
tables are the next challenge - laminated curved fronts? Hmmm...

Not to wax overly philosophical, but Galoot methods appeal to me on a
very basic level - I like to make things with my hands. Going up to
the garage after spending the day in meetings and dealing with
problems blown all out of proportion to their importance allows me to
concentrate on what I am doing and not to dwell on the day I have just
had. Anecdotal evidence would suggest that I am a much nicer person
for it :-)

Thanks to you all for your knowledge and I hope that I am able to add
something useful in my turn.

Regards

Gavin Palmer Sydney Australia

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Hi Gavin. 
Welcome to "Heaven on the Net".

Also from Sydney, also Oracle, also
a Galoot here for years. 
Nuno Souto
dbvision@o...

-----Original Message-----

Greetings Galoots,

The current thread on Galoots in IT has prompted me to finally post a bio.

I am Gavin Palmer of Sydney, Australia. 
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Oh, Great.  Yet another Aussie on the list.  The porch is getting to be
infested with them.  I guess we'll hear more about infill planes that show
up more often than in the UK and almost as often as a Stanley Jack Plane in
Massachusetts.  Infills are located under every OTHER rock in Oz.  Plus
we'll hear more tales of exotic woods that are impossible to find in the
States.  Bluegum?  Eucalyptus?  Sheesh.  

I am SOOOOOOoooooooooo jealous.  ;-)

Welcome aboard!

Chris Schwartz...  Former Brewer
Stealth Galoot #97
www.bustedtruss.com

--- Nuno Souto  wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "paul womack" 
> > 
> > You forgot all those REALLY CHEAP HNT Gordon planes...
> 
> You mean like this one?
> http://members.optushome.com.au/nsouto/photos/gidgee04.JPG

Dang it!  Don't we have some obscenity rules around here? 
That plane is too sexy to be shown this audience!
Nuno, YOU SUCK! (You could get back on my good side by sending 
that spokeshave in the background my way :)).

=====
Roger Nixon
Out in the Flint Hills of Kansas

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I meant to ask you (well, I did ask over on Neander Haven, but Wayne 
killed the messages, what did you do? :) ), why did you buy a second 
HNT jack? What is special about the second one?

Thanks,
Pam

Nuno Souto wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "paul womack" 
> 
>>You forgot all those REALLY CHEAP HNT Gordon planes...
>>
> 
> You mean like this one?
> http://members.optushome.com.au/nsouto/photos/gidgee04.JPG
> 
> 
> Nuno Souto
> dbvision@o...

-- 
Pamela G. Niedermayer
Pinehill Softworks Inc.
600 W. 28th St., Suite 103
Austin, TX 78705
512-236-1677
http://www.pinehill.com

"Schwartz, Christopher N." wrote:
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> Greetings Galoots,
> 
> The current thread on Galoots in IT has prompted me to finally post a bio.
> 
> I am Gavin Palmer of Sydney, Australia.
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
> 
> Oh, Great.  Yet another Aussie on the list.  The porch is getting to be
> infested with them.  I guess we'll hear more about infill planes that show
> up more often than in the UK and almost as often as a Stanley Jack Plane in
> Massachusetts.  Infills are located under every OTHER rock in Oz.  Plus
> we'll hear more tales of exotic woods that are impossible to find in the
> States.  Bluegum?  Eucalyptus?  Sheesh.
> 
> I am SOOOOOOoooooooooo jealous.  ;-)

You forgot all those REALLY CHEAP HNT Gordon planes...

	BugBear (also jealous)

When I grow up, I want a spokeshave like that too.  It's purdy!
-Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Nixon [mailto:oreoblues@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:38 PM
To: Nuno Souto
Cc: OLDTOOLS
Subject: Re: Bio - Gavin Palmer

> http://members.optushome.com.au/nsouto/photos/gidgee04.JPG

Dang it!  Don't we have some obscenity rules around here? 
That plane is too sexy to be shown this audience!
Nuno, YOU SUCK! (You could get back on my good side by sending 
that spokeshave in the background my way :)).

=====
Roger Nixon
Out in the Flint Hills of Kansas

Just received my hnt jack yesterday. By the looks of it, the pins 
aren't intended to be moveable, at least the pins on mine don't move; 
but it appears maybe they could, if they're not epoxied in place. 
They're attache by a large pin, perhaps integral to the abutments.

Pam

Louis Michaud wrote:

> Nuno shamlessly showing off...
> 
>>http://members.optushome.com.au/nsouto/photos/gidgee04.JPG
>>
>  I notice the HNT has brass abutments held in the cheeks with
> pins. I guess these can pivot to adapt to the wedge's angle, 
> manufacturing way to get a good fit real fast ? How are the
> abutments held in place, outside of pin is peened ?
> Nice design!
> 
> Best,
> Louis Michaud
> Rimouski, Quebec
> 

----- Original Message -----
> Oh, Great.  Yet another Aussie on the list.  The porch is getting to
be
> infested with them.

See what I have to put up with, Gavin?
Bunch of ungrateful sods...

> I guess we'll hear more about infill planes that show
> up more often than in the UK and almost as often as a Stanley Jack
Plane in
> Massachusetts.  Infills are located under every OTHER rock in Oz.
Plus

Heh!  Where?
Ah, *-b**?   Sure, you take them!

> we'll hear more tales of exotic woods that are impossible to find in
the
> States.  Bluegum?  Eucalyptus?  Sheesh.

hehehe!  Forgot the REALLY nice ones, didn't ya?

>
> I am SOOOOOOoooooooooo jealous.  ;-)
>

:Þ¤¤¤

Nuno Souto
dbvision@o...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "paul womack" 
> 
> You forgot all those REALLY CHEAP HNT Gordon planes...

You mean like this one?
http://members.optushome.com.au/nsouto/photos/gidgee04.JPG


Nuno Souto
dbvision@o...

There's no connecting piece on the hnt from side to side, each 
abutment is independently mounted. BTW, the ece jointer, bought from 
Dieter within the last 6 months, doesn't have one of these, although 
the cap iron has a horizontal metal spacer. So it must be a fairly new 
development.

Pam

paul womack wrote:

> Louis Michaud wrote:
> 
>>Nuno shamlessly showing off...
>>
>>>http://members.optushome.com.au/nsouto/photos/gidgee04.JPG
>>>
>>I notice the HNT has brass abutments held in the cheeks with
>>pins. I guess these can pivot to adapt to the wedge's angle,
>>manufacturing way to get a good fit real fast ? How are the
>>abutments held in place, outside of pin is peened ?
>>Nice design!
>>
> 
> Well spotted. I've seen something very similar (and
> recently) on ECE planes. And they claimed a patent...
> 
> http://www.ecemmerich.com/hobel.html
> 
> 	BugBear
> 

Absolutly, bring em on, love to see them.

Kerry

Much snipage

>> When I grow up, I want a spokeshave like that too.  It's purdy!
>
>I know: it follows me everywhere!  Home made.
>Result of Herr Gunterman sending me a couple of
>his cryo-whatever Hock irons.  Galoot-a-Klaus, two
>years ago.  Need to do the second iron for another
>Guntershave, got just the Cocobolo piece for that too.

>I've got some piccies of the shave if you folks can cope
>with the pain long enough!  
>
>Nuno Souto
>dbvision@o...
>

At 14:00 13/02/02 -0500, Louis Michaud wrote:
>Nuno shamlessly showing off...
>>http://members.optushome.com.au/nsouto/photos/gidgee04.JPG
>
>I notice the HNT has brass abutments held in the cheeks with pins. I
>guess these can pivot to adapt to the wedge's angle, manufacturing way
>to get a good fit real fast ? How are the abutments held in place,
>outside of pin is peened ? Nice design!
>

Used to be just peened, but I think there's actually a short run of
thread these days.

Jaime Metcher

At 08:39 13/02/02 -0500, Schwartz, Christopher N. wrote:
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>Greetings Galoots,
>
>The current thread on Galoots in IT has prompted me to finally
>post a bio.
>
>I am Gavin Palmer of Sydney, Australia.
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>
>
>
>Oh, Great. Yet another Aussie on the list. The porch is getting to be
>infested with them. I guess we'll hear more about infill planes that
>show up more often than in the UK and almost as often as a Stanley
>Jack Plane in Massachusetts. Infills are located under every OTHER
>rock in Oz.


Not any more. Hans Brunner found them all, priced them 10% over what he
knew Steve Colebourne could afford, and used them as instruments of
torture. Don't know what's up with that, maybe Hans and Steve were
competing for the same girl back in high school and there's still some
bad blood. In the end, Steve bought most of them anyway, which is why he
can't even afford the Van Down By The River. I believe Hans took the
ones that he couldn't sell as cigarette lighters over to Harrisburg and
flogged them off there.

Jaime Metcher

Well, hurry up and finish that beta testing so Terry can put it into 
production, will keep an eye on Mik for it.

Thanks,
Pam

Nuno Souto wrote:

> The gidgee.
> 
> 
> Seriously:  I had a chat with Terry a coupla
> years ago at a local show.  Mentioned
> that I liked his ironwood jack but felt it
> needed a little bit more mass.
> 
> He casually mentioned he'd just received a
> batch of "green" gidgee and maybe when that
> was dry it could be used for a jack.
> 
> To which I jumped - greedy little sod that I
> am - and volunteered for Beta-testing it.
> 
> That's the one in the photo.  It finally dried
> and Terry sent me one of the first ones.  I'm happy
> to report that (so far) my theory about gidgee being
> the ideal density and mass for this size of plane
> was spot on.
> 
 

-- 
Pamela G. Niedermayer
Pinehill Softworks Inc.
600 W. 28th St., Suite 103
Austin, TX 78705
512-925-9313
http://www.pinehill.com

Louis Michaud wrote:
> 
> Nuno shamlessly showing off...
> >http://members.optushome.com.au/nsouto/photos/gidgee04.JPG
> 
> I notice the HNT has brass abutments held in the cheeks with
> pins. I guess these can pivot to adapt to the wedge's angle,
> manufacturing way to get a good fit real fast ? How are the
> abutments held in place, outside of pin is peened ?
> Nice design!

Well spotted. I've seen something very similar (and
recently) on ECE planes. And they claimed a patent...

http://www.ecemmerich.com/hobel.html

	BugBear

Someone at ECE is doing some serious experimentation with plane design.
Another example, a recently acquired jack has metal bits at the top of the
bed with the result that the blade rests on these two and on the wood at
the back of the throat and nowhere else. This is quite an innovation.

I wonder if they are testing these planes to prove their new designs, or we
are all involuntary beta testers?

The Jack does work pretty well.

Brent

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pam Niedermayer" 
> BTW, the ece jointer, bought from
> Dieter within the last 6 months, doesn't have one of these, although
> the cap iron has a horizontal metal spacer. So it must be a fairly new
> development.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "paul womack" 
> 
> Well spotted. I've seen something very similar (and
> recently) on ECE planes. And they claimed a patent...

Narh!   They may well claim, but Terry was doing that
at least 4 years ago if not more.  First time I saw a 
similar thing was in his initial shoulder planes. 
then he expanded its use to the Jack about 3 years ago
give or take a few months.

To answer Pam's concern: 
Yes, it does move.  Not a lot. And it requires 
a bit of force to do so.  It's done that way on purpose,
so that wear and tear don't "open" the brass-to-brass
bearing.  It also means you only have to get the wedge
to land properly on the back of the iron in one direction.

Nuno Souto
dbvision@o...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pam Niedermayer" 
> killed the messages, what did you do? :) ), why did you buy a second
> HNT jack? What is special about the second one?
>

The gidgee.


Seriously:  I had a chat with Terry a coupla
years ago at a local show.  Mentioned
that I liked his ironwood jack but felt it
needed a little bit more mass.

He casually mentioned he'd just received a
batch of "green" gidgee and maybe when that
was dry it could be used for a jack.

To which I jumped - greedy little sod that I
am - and volunteered for Beta-testing it.

That's the one in the photo.  It finally dried
and Terry sent me one of the first ones.  I'm happy
to report that (so far) my theory about gidgee being
the ideal density and mass for this size of plane
was spot on.

Nuno Souto
dbvision@o...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaime Metcher" 

> Not any more.  Hans Brunner found them all, priced them 10% over
what he knew Steve Colebourne could afford, and used them as
instruments of torture.  Don't know what's up with that, maybe Hans
and Steve were competing for the same girl back in high school and
there's still some bad blood.

Hehehe!   Looks almost like that, no?  LOL!

> In the end, Steve bought most of them anyway, which is why he can't
even afford the Van Down By The River.  I believe Hans took the ones
that he couldn't sell as cigarette lighters over to Harrisburg and
flogged them off there.

Tell you what, I'll never forgive Hans for the trick
he played on me.  Fancy hiding all those 30" Spiers
jointer.  And only putting them out smack bang in the
middle of the biggest IT recession in history!
A coupla years ago I'd have gladly paid twice what
he sold them for now.
Nowadays I simply can't afford them! 
Ah well, I can always pester Steve later on...

Nuno Souto
dbvision@o...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kilpatrick Jay Capt HQ AFMC/DRO"


> When I grow up, I want a spokeshave like that too.  It's purdy!

I know: it follows me everywhere!  Home made.
Result of Herr Gunterman sending me a couple of
his cryo-whatever Hock irons.  Galoot-a-Klaus, two
years ago.  Need to do the second iron for another
Guntershave, got just the Cocobolo piece for that too.

> From: Roger Nixon [mailto:oreoblues@y...]
> Nuno, YOU SUCK! (You could get back on my good side by sending
> that spokeshave in the background my way :)).

Thank you!  ¦-)

Local wood: Tasmanian Myrtle.  With a fiddleback figure.
A small piece snatched from one of the local suppliers
a while ago.  Couldn't fashion it into anything else.
It has an Ironwood sole too.

I've got some piccies of the shave if you folks can cope
with the pain long enough!  

Nuno Souto
dbvision@o...

Brent Beach wrote:
> 
> Someone at ECE is doing some serious experimentation with plane design.
> Another example, a recently acquired jack has metal bits at the top of the
> bed with the result that the blade rests on these two and on the wood at
> the back of the throat and nowhere else. This is quite an innovation.
> 
> I wonder if they are testing these planes to prove their new designs, or we
> are all involuntary beta testers?
> 
> The Jack does work pretty well.

Interesting. It sounds like there's a technological
arms race going on in Germany. Ulmia came out with a
multi-purpose, configurable plane last year.

http://www.wwforum.com/cgi-bin/forum_main_old/htarchive_wait.cgi?read=39214
(that link will die when Wayne archives the page; here the text

> I have noticed on the following link, that ULMIA have a 'new' plane! 
> http://www.werkzeugforum.de/artikel/artikel_weiterleiten.cfm?id=302 
> Seems unconventional.... time will tell! 

> rgrds, g. 

	BugBear