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267134 | Bill Ghio | 2018‑11‑19 | Saw-Rabbet Plane |
Last week Jim Bode posted this WHITKER Patent February 6, 1866 Handled Saw Rabbet Plane: https://www.jimbodetools.com/collections/whats-new/products/whitker- patent-february-6-1866-handled-saw-rabbet- plane-83424">https://www.jimbodetools.com/collections/whats-new/products /whitker-patent-february-6-1866-handled-saw-rabbet-plane-83424 From his posting I explored DATAMP and found the patent info: http://www.datamp.org/patents/displayPatent.php?pn=52478&id=8776 DATAMP says, "Not known to have been produced”, yet Bode pictures one, and a well used one at that. Well I got one too, and I think mine looks more like the patent than Bode’s as far as the handle and body are concerned. Bode’s blade looks like the patent, while mine has multiple blades w/ finer teeth. Mine looks more to be designed for cross grain work. Mine also has an aluminum tag nailed on its toe that is stamped “84” which suggests to me that it came out of a toolroom. (See second to last picture.) My pics are here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../albums/72157665599314985/wi th/25589691225/">https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../albums/721576655993 14985/with/25589691225/ The DATAMP editor says,"I made a copy of one of these and it works very well, especially for crossgrain work.” So the question is: Copies, independent invention or was it manufactured? Bill |
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267135 | Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> | 2018‑11‑19 | Re: Saw-Rabbet Plane |
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 8:15 AM Bill Ghio via OldTools < oldtools@s...> wrote: > Last week Jim Bode posted this WHITKER Patent February 6, 1866 Handled Saw > Rabbet Plane: > > > https://www.jimbodetools.com/collections/whats-new/products/whitker- patent-february-6-1866-handled-saw-rabbet- plane-83424">https://www.jimbodetools.com/collections/whats-new/products /whitker-patent-february-6-1866-handled-saw-rabbet-plane-83424 > > From his posting I explored DATAMP and found the patent info: > http://www.datamp.org/patents/displayPatent.php?pn=52478&id=8776 > > DATAMP says, "Not known to have been produced”, yet Bode pictures one, and > a well used one at that. > So the question is: Copies, independent invention or was it manufactured? > > DATAMP info is known to be slow to update. Their default seems to be Not Known to Have Been Produced. Last time I found a vise patent not on DATAMP, I shared it with the steward. He had a back log of 600 patents to enter, mine was on his list. This book said it was commercially produced and well recieved. https://books.google.com/books?id=sLEmAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA220&dq=whitker+ patent+saw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjd8N738ODeAhVCqVQKHbmLAZwQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q& f=false">https://books.google.com/books?id=sLEmAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA220&dq=whitker+ patent+saw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjd8N738ODeAhVCqVQKHbmLAZwQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q& f=false Per Woodworking Tools, 1600-1900, it was sold by Pratt & Green https://archive.org/details/WoodworkingTools16001800/page/n53 Interesting that DATAMP has his name mis spelled compared to the patent document -- Kirk Eppler, still stinking at spray painting in HMB, CA |
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267136 | Chuck Taylor | 2018‑11‑19 | Re: Saw-Rabbet Plane |
Bill and other Gentle Galoots, Tom Fidgen of "The Unplugged Woodshop" claims to have invented the "kerfing plane": https://www.theunpluggedwoodshop.com/the-kerfing-plane-part-one.html He said that the reason he invented it was to cut a kerf around a board in preparation for resawing by hand. Sure looks a lot like the Whitaker Patent Saw- Rabbet Plane. Chuck Taylor north of Seattle On Monday, November 19, 2018, 8:15:03 AM PST, Bill Ghio via OldTools |
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267137 | Christopher Dunn <christopherdunn123@g...> | 2018‑11‑19 | Re: Saw-Rabbet Plane |
Bill I saw one the other day in Knight's American mechanical dictionary called the Rabbet saw The description is here on page 1850. https://archive.org/details/knightsamericanm02knig/page/1850 Thanks, Chris |
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267138 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2018‑11‑19 | Re: Saw-Rabbet Plane |
GGGGG Stanley had 2 rabbet planes, One, the #239 dado plane, produced 1915-1943, and altered and called a weatherstrip plane as the #238 from 1928 to 1938 Two, the #248A called a weatherstrip plane 1936 to 1943, and altered to be a straight plow, the #248 from 1939-1958 So one was change TO a weatherstrip and one was changed FROM a weatherstrip. But both weatherstrip planes were made during the era when people were retrofitting their old houses with rubber and brass strips. This was sort of my business for over 30 years, and always thought the rubber stuff occurred after the auto companies perfected the material (like nitrocellulose lacquer on guitars). Would be interesting to see if the date on that catalog from Pratt and Green is within that late 20’s late 30’s period and if that was a re-issue of that plane. If that catalog is really from 1865, then rubber weatherstripping is MUCH older than I thought. Ed Minch |
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267140 | Mike Rock <mikerock@m...> | 2018‑11‑19 | Re: Saw-Rabbet Plane |
Got one from Herr Leach some years back.... just for the cool factor. Said it was the second one he'd seen or somesuch.... |
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267141 | Bob Page | 2018‑11‑19 | Re: Back to the discussion of the 55 (sort of...) [was: Saw-Rabbet Plane] |
I built a kerfing plane from a broken Stanley No. 50 and a piece of plate from a rip saw. It has an adjustable fence and the depth can be controlled somewhat by the depth stop on the plane. It works great. Here is a link to the Flickr album: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmtURphM Bob PageIn da U.P. of Michigan On Monday, November 19, 2018, 12:20:17 PM EST, Nichael Cramer |
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267142 | Bill Ghio | 2018‑11‑19 | Re: Saw-Rabbet Plane |
> On Nov 19, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Ed Minch |
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267143 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2018‑11‑19 | Re: Back to the discussion of the 55 (sort of...) [was: Saw-Rabbet Plane] |
Brilliant. Do you use it for kerfing before ripping, or for rabbet work? Ed Minch |
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267144 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2018‑11‑19 | Re: Saw-Rabbet Plane |
I had no idea that there was even the concept of weatherstripping at the time of the American Civil War (war of northern aggression, Jeff)! The Victorians slept with the windows open for pete’s sake. I am relatively gobsmacked by this information. Ed Minch |
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267146 | Tim <tpendleton@g...> | 2018‑11‑19 | Re: Back to the discussion of the 55 (sort of...) [was: Saw-Rabbet Plane] |
Nicely done! I have a modest flock of Stanley 45s (a Swiss Army knife kind of plane, Jeff). One of them could be coaxed into that configuration. Heading to the shop to select a likely candidate. Tim More fun raking wet leaves in NJ today. On Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 12:58 PM Bob Page via OldTools < oldtools@s... wrote: |
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267147 | Phil Koontz <phil.koontz@g...> | 2018‑11‑19 | Re: Back to the discussion of the 55 (sort of...) [was: Saw-Rabbet Plane] |
Tim's drive-by gloat-- On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 2:25 PM Tim |
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267148 | "John M Johnston (jmjhnstn)" <jmjhnstn@m...> | 2018‑11‑19 | Re: Back to the discussion of the 55 (sort of...) [was: Saw-Rabbet Plane] |
Phil, Nice drive by indeed! I admire the lots of windows part in particular. Pics or it didn’t happen? 😎 John “P.S. If you do not receive this, of course it must have been miscarried; therefore I beg you to write and let me know.” - Sir Boyle Roche, M.P. On Nov 19, 2018, at 6:31 PM, Phil Koontz |
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267149 | Spike Cornelius <spikethebike@c...> | 2018‑11‑19 | Re: Back to the discussion of the 55 (sort of...) [was: Saw-Rabbet Plane] |
Hmmm, I have a couple of surplus 45 bodies, I could donate one or two to someone wanting to experiment... Sent from my iPhone |
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267150 | Dwight Beebe <dwb1124@g...> | 2018‑11‑19 | Re: Saw-Rabbet Plane |
Greetings GGs, Mr. Goodyear pattented his vulcanization (hardening) process for mixing sulpher with natural rubber in the mid-1800s, so likely the development of rubber weather striping soon followed. Clever Yankees. |
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267152 | Tim <tpendleton@g...> | 2018‑11‑20 | Re: Back to the discussion of the 55 (sort of...) [was: Saw-Rabbet Plane] |
Phil, Shops can have heat?? I must have missed the memo. :) Tim |
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267156 | Pier-Rick Lamontagne <foutchibay@g...> | 2018‑11‑20 | Re: Back to the discussion of the 55 (sort of...) [was: Saw-Rabbet Plane] |
Talking about 45/55... you guys know a nice place in Quebec to find old tools ? I have my 45 but I've paid a lot for it (over 100$) and it didn't had a fence, blade nor a depth stop and knicker. Now that I've seen the mods we can do on one, i'd like to find another one... maybe in better shape than the one I already have or maybe just a body that I could modifiy. From the porch, Rick. |
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267159 | Nichael Cramer <nichael@s...> | 2018‑11‑20 | Re: Back to the discussion of the 55 (sort of...) [was: Saw-Rabbet Plane] |
At 09:40 PM 11/19/2018, Tim wrote: >Shops can have heat?? I must have missed the memo. :) Yeah. How else do you keep your Dr Pepper's cool? N |
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267257 | Buck Rogers <buckrogers709@g...> | 2018‑11‑28 | Re: Saw-Rabbet Plane |
Hey, I resemble that. When I made that Saw Rabbet Plane I had a stack of cherry with squirrelly grain. It was hard to rabbet it with a plane due to the grain reversal. Since I used up that wood, I have never used the Saw Rabbet Plane again, as a normal rabbet plane is so much more convenient to use. Also, I'm not wrapping my mind around the use of this tool to precut kerfs in a board before resawing. I find the resaw works fine, and no precutting is needed. Similar to the rabbet plane working better than a Rabbet Saw, a resaw works better than a kerfing saw. Regards, Steve - slowly getting around to some woodworking. On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 11:14 AM Bill Ghio via OldTools < oldtools@s...> wrote: |
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