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267134 Bill Ghio 2018‑11‑19 Saw-Rabbet Plane
Last week Jim Bode posted this WHITKER Patent February 6, 1866 Handled Saw
Rabbet Plane:

https://www.jimbodetools.com/collections/whats-new/products/whitker-
patent-february-6-1866-handled-saw-rabbet-
plane-83424">https://www.jimbodetools.com/collections/whats-new/products
/whitker-patent-february-6-1866-handled-saw-rabbet-plane-83424

From his posting I explored DATAMP and found the patent info:
http://www.datamp.org/patents/displayPatent.php?pn=52478&id=8776

DATAMP says, "Not known to have been produced”, yet Bode pictures one, and a
well used one at that.

Well I got one too, and I think mine looks more like the patent than Bode’s as
far as the handle and body are concerned. Bode’s blade looks like the patent,
while mine has multiple blades w/ finer teeth. Mine looks more to be designed
for cross grain work. Mine also has an aluminum tag nailed on its toe that is
stamped “84” which suggests to me that it came out of a toolroom. (See second to
last picture.)

My pics are here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../albums/72157665599314985/wi
th/25589691225/">https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../albums/721576655993
14985/with/25589691225/

The DATAMP editor says,"I made a copy of one of these and it works very well,
especially for crossgrain work.”

So the question is: Copies, independent invention or was it manufactured?

Bill
267135 Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> 2018‑11‑19 Re: Saw-Rabbet Plane
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 8:15 AM Bill Ghio via OldTools <
oldtools@s...> wrote:

> Last week Jim Bode posted this WHITKER Patent February 6, 1866 Handled Saw
> Rabbet Plane:
>
>
> https://www.jimbodetools.com/collections/whats-new/products/whitker-
patent-february-6-1866-handled-saw-rabbet-
plane-83424">https://www.jimbodetools.com/collections/whats-new/products
/whitker-patent-february-6-1866-handled-saw-rabbet-plane-83424
>
> From his posting I explored DATAMP and found the patent info:
> http://www.datamp.org/patents/displayPatent.php?pn=52478&id=8776
>
> DATAMP says, "Not known to have been produced”, yet Bode pictures one, and
> a well used one at that.
> So the question is: Copies, independent invention or was it manufactured?
>
>
DATAMP info is known to be slow to update.  Their default seems to be Not
Known to Have Been Produced.  Last time I found a vise patent not on
DATAMP, I shared it with the steward.  He had a back log of 600 patents to
enter, mine was on his list.

This book said it was commercially produced and well recieved.

https://books.google.com/books?id=sLEmAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA220&dq=whitker+
patent+saw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjd8N738ODeAhVCqVQKHbmLAZwQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q&
f=false">https://books.google.com/books?id=sLEmAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA220&dq=whitker+
patent+saw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjd8N738ODeAhVCqVQKHbmLAZwQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q&
f=false

Per Woodworking Tools, 1600-1900, it was sold by Pratt & Green

https://archive.org/details/WoodworkingTools16001800/page/n53


Interesting that DATAMP has his name mis spelled compared to the patent
document

-- 
Kirk Eppler, still stinking at spray painting in HMB, CA
267136 Chuck Taylor 2018‑11‑19 Re: Saw-Rabbet Plane
Bill and other Gentle Galoots,

Tom Fidgen of "The Unplugged Woodshop" claims to have invented the "kerfing
plane":

https://www.theunpluggedwoodshop.com/the-kerfing-plane-part-one.html

He said that the reason he invented it was to cut a kerf around a board in
preparation for resawing by hand. Sure looks a lot like the Whitaker Patent Saw-
Rabbet Plane.

Chuck Taylor 
north of Seattle

On Monday, November 19, 2018, 8:15:03 AM PST, Bill Ghio via OldTools
 wrote:



Last week Jim Bode posted this WHITKER Patent February 6, 1866 Handled Saw
Rabbet Plane:

https://www.jimbodetools.com/collections/whats-new/products/whitker-
patent-february-6-1866-handled-saw-rabbet-
plane-83424">https://www.jimbodetools.com/collections/whats-new/products
/whitker-patent-february-6-1866-handled-saw-rabbet-plane-83424

From his posting I explored DATAMP and found the patent info:
http://www.datamp.org/patents/displayPatent.php?pn=52478&id=8776

DATAMP says, "Not known to have been produced”, yet Bode pictures one, and a
well used one at that.

Well I got one too, and I think mine looks more like the patent than Bode’s as
far as the handle and body are concerned. Bode’s blade looks like the patent,
while mine has multiple blades w/ finer teeth. Mine looks more to be designed
for cross grain work. Mine also has an aluminum tag nailed on its toe that is
stamped “84” which suggests to me that it came out of a toolroom. (See second to
last picture.)

My pics are here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../albums/72157665599314985/wi
th/25589691225/">https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../albums/721576655993
14985/with/25589691225/

The DATAMP editor says,"I made a copy of one of these and it works very well,
especially for crossgrain work.”

So the question is: Copies, independent invention or was it manufactured?

Bill
267137 Christopher Dunn <christopherdunn123@g...> 2018‑11‑19 Re: Saw-Rabbet Plane
Bill

I saw one the other day in Knight's American mechanical dictionary
called the Rabbet saw

The description is here on page 1850.

https://archive.org/details/knightsamericanm02knig/page/1850

Thanks,
Chris
267138 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2018‑11‑19 Re: Saw-Rabbet Plane
GGGGG

Stanley had 2 rabbet planes, 

One, the #239 dado plane, produced 1915-1943, and altered and called a
weatherstrip plane as the #238 from 1928 to 1938

Two, the #248A called a weatherstrip plane 1936 to 1943, and altered to be a
straight plow, the #248 from 1939-1958

So one was change TO a weatherstrip and one was changed FROM a weatherstrip.
But both weatherstrip planes were made during the era when people were
retrofitting their old houses with rubber and brass strips. This was sort of my
business for over 30 years, and always thought the rubber stuff occurred after
the auto companies perfected the material (like nitrocellulose lacquer on
guitars).

Would be interesting to see if the date on that catalog from Pratt and Green is
within that late 20’s late 30’s period and if that was a re-issue of that plane.
If that catalog is really from 1865, then rubber weatherstripping is MUCH older
than I thought.

Ed Minch
267140 Mike Rock <mikerock@m...> 2018‑11‑19 Re: Saw-Rabbet Plane
Got one from Herr Leach some years back....  just for the cool factor.  
Said it was the second one he'd seen or somesuch....
267141 Bob Page 2018‑11‑19 Re: Back to the discussion of the 55 (sort of...) [was: Saw-Rabbet Plane]
I built a kerfing plane from a broken Stanley No. 50 and a piece of plate from
a rip saw. It has an adjustable fence and the depth can be controlled somewhat
by the depth stop on the plane. It works great.
Here is a link to the Flickr album: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmtURphM
Bob PageIn da U.P. of Michigan

    On Monday, November 19, 2018, 12:20:17 PM EST, Nichael Cramer 
wrote:  Basically someone had a badly damaged main-body of a 55.(for example
the screw-adjuster
was broke off, among other things).  So they attached a saw blade to 
the bottom.
Works just fine as a "stair saw".
267142 Bill Ghio 2018‑11‑19 Re: Saw-Rabbet Plane
> On Nov 19, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Ed Minch  wrote:
> 
> Would be interesting to see if the date on that catalog from Pratt and Green
is within that late 20’s late 30’s period and if that was a re-issue of that
plane.  If that catalog is really from 1865, then rubber weatherstripping is
MUCH older than I thought.
> 
> Ed Minch
> 
As usual, a wealth of info from this group. 

As to Ed’s question: Check the 1866 patent near top of 2nd column where it says
“the saw rabbet is especially adapted to cutting grooves for  inserting the
rubber weather strip.”

http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNum=0&idkey=NONE&SectionNum=3&HomeUrl=
&docid=0052478">http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNum=0&idkey=NONE&SectionNum=3&H
omeUrl=&docid=0052478

Bill
267143 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2018‑11‑19 Re: Back to the discussion of the 55 (sort of...) [was: Saw-Rabbet Plane]
Brilliant.  Do you use it for kerfing before ripping, or for rabbet work?

Ed Minch
267144 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2018‑11‑19 Re: Saw-Rabbet Plane
I had no idea that there was even the concept of weatherstripping at the time of
the American Civil War (war of northern aggression, Jeff)!  The Victorians slept
with the windows open for pete’s sake.  I am relatively gobsmacked by this
information.

Ed Minch
267146 Tim <tpendleton@g...> 2018‑11‑19 Re: Back to the discussion of the 55 (sort of...) [was: Saw-Rabbet Plane]
Nicely done!  I have a modest flock of Stanley 45s (a Swiss Army knife kind
of plane, Jeff). One of them could be coaxed into that configuration.

Heading to the shop to select a likely candidate.

Tim

More fun raking wet leaves in NJ today.

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 12:58 PM Bob Page via OldTools <
oldtools@s... wrote:
267147 Phil Koontz <phil.koontz@g...> 2018‑11‑19 Re: Back to the discussion of the 55 (sort of...) [was: Saw-Rabbet Plane]
Tim's drive-by gloat--

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 2:25 PM Tim  wrote:

> Nicely done!  I have a modest flock of Stanley 45s (a Swiss Army knife kind
> of plane, Jeff). One of them could be coaxed into that configuration.
>

Rub it in, man.  Go ahead.

PK
Who's building a new, heated shop space with lots of windows.  Beep!
267148 "John M Johnston (jmjhnstn)" <jmjhnstn@m...> 2018‑11‑19 Re: Back to the discussion of the 55 (sort of...) [was: Saw-Rabbet Plane]
Phil,
Nice drive by indeed!  I admire the lots of windows part in particular. Pics or
it didn’t happen? 😎

John
“P.S. If you do not receive this, of course it must have been miscarried;
therefore I beg you to write and let me know.” - Sir Boyle Roche, M.P.

On Nov 19, 2018, at 6:31 PM, Phil Koontz mailto:phil.koontz@g...">mailto:phil.koontz@g...>> wrote:

Who's building a new, heated shop space with lots of windows.
267149 Spike Cornelius <spikethebike@c...> 2018‑11‑19 Re: Back to the discussion of the 55 (sort of...) [was: Saw-Rabbet Plane]
Hmmm, I have a couple of surplus 45 bodies, I could donate one or two to
someone wanting to experiment...

Sent from my iPhone
267150 Dwight Beebe <dwb1124@g...> 2018‑11‑19 Re: Saw-Rabbet Plane
Greetings GGs,

Mr. Goodyear pattented his vulcanization (hardening) process for mixing
sulpher with natural rubber in the mid-1800s, so likely the development of
rubber weather striping soon followed.  Clever Yankees.
267152 Tim <tpendleton@g...> 2018‑11‑20 Re: Back to the discussion of the 55 (sort of...) [was: Saw-Rabbet Plane]
Phil,

Shops can have heat??   I must have missed the memo.  :)

Tim
267156 Pier-Rick Lamontagne <foutchibay@g...> 2018‑11‑20 Re: Back to the discussion of the 55 (sort of...) [was: Saw-Rabbet Plane]
Talking about 45/55... you guys know a nice place in Quebec to find old
tools ?

I have my 45 but I've paid a lot for it (over 100$) and it didn't had a
fence, blade nor a depth stop and knicker.

Now that I've seen the mods we can do on one, i'd like to find another
one... maybe in better shape than the one I already have or maybe just a
body that I could modifiy.

From the porch,
Rick.
267159 Nichael Cramer <nichael@s...> 2018‑11‑20 Re: Back to the discussion of the 55 (sort of...) [was: Saw-Rabbet Plane]
At 09:40 PM 11/19/2018, Tim wrote:
>Shops can have heat??   I must have missed the memo.  :)

Yeah.  How  else do you keep your Dr Pepper's cool?

N
267257 Buck Rogers <buckrogers709@g...> 2018‑11‑28 Re: Saw-Rabbet Plane
Hey, I resemble that.

When I made that Saw Rabbet Plane I had a stack of cherry with squirrelly
grain.  It was hard to rabbet it with a plane due to the grain reversal.
Since I used up that wood, I have never used the Saw Rabbet Plane again, as
a normal rabbet plane is so much more convenient to use.

Also, I'm not wrapping my mind around the use of this tool to precut kerfs
in a board before resawing.  I find the resaw works fine, and no precutting
is needed.  Similar to the rabbet plane working better than a Rabbet Saw, a
resaw works better than a kerfing saw.

Regards,
Steve - slowly getting around to some woodworking.

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 11:14 AM Bill Ghio via OldTools <
oldtools@s...> wrote:

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