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262635 | William Ghio <bghio@m...> | 2017‑07‑08 | Incannel gouges |
So I foolishly paid the asking price. Three Marples incannel gouges laying on the blanket, 14 - 15 inches long. One is pretty rusty but who knows what lies under? I see chips on one edge and of course all are dull. Was it worth my three dollars, total? Turns out one is pitted to a degree that it will not be useful unless I grind it back about an inch. The big one just needs a good honing. My question is about the one w/ the chips. It had to be ground back about 1/16” to get past them. It’s about 1/2” across and a pretty tight radius. How would you go about regrinding it? I have grinders, a drill press, a lathe and a bunch of slips. The slips are not going to take this down in my lifetime. They are for honing. I have used compounds round sticks in the four jaw chuck of the lathe, but again only for honing. None of my sanding drums for the drill press are small enough altho I can probably find some on-line. Any better ideas? Bill |
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262636 | Phil Schempf <philschempf@g...> | 2017‑07‑08 | Re: Incannel gouges |
There is a note on that subject from Jim Thompson here: http://contrib1.wkfinetools.com/jThompson/incannelGouge/incanGauge1.asp Phil |
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262637 | Brent Kinsey <brentpmed@c...> | 2017‑07‑08 | Re: Incannel gouges |
Bill, you can get a shaped grinding stone for your hand cranked grinder. The stone which come to a point on their face instead of a square face and use the point back and forth to create the inside bevel then refine with stones. Second option is the wave shaped diamond stone for sharpening gouges they make a coarse and fine. Woodcraft carries them I think. Lastly and quickest is a cutoff wheel in a dremel or in an (cough, Er, um...) angle grinder held perpendicular to the desired bevel and sweep it back and forth to create the bevel Sent from my iPhone Brent Kinsey |
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262638 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2017‑07‑08 | Re: Incannel gouges |
On 2017-07-08 10:56 AM, William Ghio wrote: > Turns out one is pitted to a degree that it will not be useful unless I grind it back about an inch. Is there any reason you can't just hacksaw that off? It seems to me that would be quicker. FWIW Don -- On Jan. 26, 2016, the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal (CHRT) ruled that the Government of Canada racially discriminates against 165,000 First Nations children. “Until all of us have made it, none of us have made it.” - Rosemary Brown, the first Black woman elected to a Canadian legislature |
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262639 | scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> | 2017‑07‑08 | Re: Incannel gouges |
>> Turns out one is pitted to a degree that it will not be useful unless >> I grind it back about an inch. > > Is there any reason you can't just hacksaw that off? It seems to me > that would be quicker. If you could, the gouge would need to be rehardend and tempered out. A hacksaw should not cut a chisel, or if it does, barely barely barely. Gluing sandpaper to a dowel helps hone it up though. You still have to grind the steel initially, (auto parts stores sell dozens of sizes of small grinding wheels mounted to 1/4" shafts for a couple bucks each) but once you have ground it, sandpaper on the right size dowel is your friend. And 3 paring gouges for 3 bucks? Yeah you really suck Bill :) yours Scott -- ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html |
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262640 | William Ghio <bghio@m...> | 2017‑07‑08 | Re: Incannel gouges |
> On Jul 8, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Brent Kinsey |
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262641 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2017‑07‑08 | Re: Incannel gouges |
Make it out cannel Ed Minch |
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262642 | David Nighswander <wishingstarfarm663@m...> | 2017‑07‑09 | Re: Incannel gouges |
Turn or whittle a dowel to the right diameter to fit the area to be shaped or polished. Cut a slot down the center. Slip the end of a strip of emery cloth into the slot and wrap the tail clockwise around the dowel. Mount it on a mandrel, clamp it in a chuck, or if you are really into it wrap a bow string around it like a fire starter. With 60 grit cloth it will rough grind. Step through the grits. Sharp grit cuts faster and cooler. Emery is cheap. Change it often. |
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262644 | John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> | 2017‑07‑10 | Re: Incannel gouges |
GG's: An incannel gouge seems to be an interesting piece of geometry. Just exactly what is the ideal geometric shape of the bezel? My view is that the ideal shape is an annular section of a cone. I base this upon observation of an amazing tailed apprentice once used in pattern shops. It had several different water-mist-cooled stones on various spindles. There were two conical stones which were for sharpening incannel gouges, at least that was what I surmised from examining the tool rests. (I saw this at a used machine tool dealer about 25 years ago. The machine looked like it weighed a hundreds of pounds. It definitely took up beaucoup floor space. I passed it up.) Sharpening with an abrasive rod of the same radius as the gouge, held at an angle, will give a different bevel angle at the sides, no? You could get around this by using an abrasive rod with a radius smaller than the radius of the gouge, and manipulating it to get an approximately conical bezel. Whatever works, works - perhaps I'm being too mathematical (geometrical?) here. John Ruth |
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262645 | David Nighswander <wishingstarfarm663@m...> | 2017‑07‑10 | Re: Incannel gouges |
Make the sanding arbor to the proper shape and fit it to the conical area that is to be sharpened. All the rest is the same. On Jul 9, 2017 11:17 PM, John Ruth |
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262661 | "Linda & Tom Hall" <l-thall@c...> | 2017‑07‑13 | Re: Incannel gouges |
GG’s I’ve only used incannel gouges a couple times. The first time was the quarter round cope joint in early window sash. You occasionally see a chisel for making this joint come up for sale. My question about the inchannel, is the back suppose to be absolutely flat like a bench chisel? The chisel is crushing the wood on the inside curve and I could never get knack of using the chisels. Any help. Tommy Hall Amesbury, MA |
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262662 | Brent Kinsey <brentpmed@c...> | 2017‑07‑13 | Re: Incannel gouges |
Tommy, I know you know this already, but I will reiterate: Sharp fixes everything. The backs on my incannel gouges are polished. Just at the business end for an inch or so just because it made it easier for me to get the edge I wanted. The challenge I faced when I first did them (a matched set of 12 vintage Greenlee firmer gouges from MOfA) was not creating a tiny bevel on the back. If it is rounded over at all it makes it hard to pare with them. So in that sense, yes the back should be flat along its length to the edge. Now I'm not talking about the whole 11" being flat, just at the last inch or two. I then turned to the inside bevel with slipstones and a strop on a dowel rod. The next issue: if yours are the thicker firmer gouges like mine, they are (for me anyway) harder to pare with than a thin paring gouge. The thicker gouge wants to lift the chips higher than the thin chisel and they break off sometimes lifting wood ahead of them. I suppose I could decrease the angle they are sharpened at and that would help, but I kept mine fairly stout for the occasional chopping. I do have one thin paring gouge which pares very nicely but it is too wide a sweep for most coping work. Brent Sent from my iPhone Brent Kinsey |
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262663 | paul womack <pwomack@p...> | 2017‑07‑13 | Re: Incannel gouges |
Linda & Tom Hall wrote: > GG’s > > I’ve only used incannel gouges a couple times. The first time was the quarter round cope joint in > early window sash. You occasionally see a chisel for making this joint come up for sale. > My question about the inchannel, is the back suppose to be absolutely flat like a bench chisel? It's OK folks, I got this. Yes. BugBear P.S. It's a paring chisel, usual logic applies. |
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262664 | "Linda & Tom Hall" <l-thall@c...> | 2017‑07‑13 | Re: Incannel gouges |
Hi Brent, "The thicker gouge wants to lift the chips higher than the thin chisel and they break off sometimes lifting wood ahead of them. " Yes, that is the answer I was looking for. It's been more than thirty years since I've made Georgian sash or paneling, but the memory sticks. I hired it out after that! Now there is a router bit that can cut the quarter round cope. Tommy Hall -----Original Message----- From: Brent Kinsey Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:30 PM To: Linda & Tom Hall Cc: oldtools@s... Subject: Re: [OldTools] Incannel gouges Tommy, I know you know this already, but I will reiterate: Sharp fixes everything. The backs on my incannel gouges are polished. Just at the business end for an inch or so just because it made it easier for me to get the edge I wanted. The challenge I faced when I first did them (a matched set of 12 vintage Greenlee firmer gouges from MOfA) was not creating a tiny bevel on the back. If it is rounded over at all it makes it hard to pare with them. So in that sense, yes the back should be flat along its length to the edge. Now I'm not talking about the whole 11" being flat, just at the last inch or two. I then turned to the inside bevel with slipstones and a strop on a dowel rod. The next issue: if yours are the thicker firmer gouges like mine, they are (for me anyway) harder to pare with than a thin paring gouge. The thicker gouge wants to lift the chips higher than the thin chisel and they break off sometimes lifting wood ahead of them. I suppose I could decrease the angle they are sharpened at and that would help, but I kept mine fairly stout for the occasional chopping. I do have one thin paring gouge which pares very nicely but it is too wide a sweep for most coping work. Brent Sent from my iPhone Brent Kinsey |
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