I thought about this too, but is seems like it would be easier and safer to
walk it up the low-slope ramp. Less chance of it falling, id if it does get
free of a wedge, it would only roll back about 3-4' before it rolled off the
rollers. The ramp is wide enough that there isn't much concern about it
going over the side, so the only real concern is it getting away....

I have moved heavy things up ramps like this before, just never something
this heavy. The trick is the wedges. By making sure you've got a wedge under
each of the runners of the pallet (tapped in a with a mallet before the
lever is relaxed). Then, the lever is slowly relaxed - that way if there is
slippage you can catch it before it gets too far. High friction tape/paint
on the ramp or bottom of the wedges helps.

If you can get 3 people with levers, it's even easier, and you don't need
the wedges. You just take turns walking it up... In this case, the real
worry is lack of safety - if everyone slips, it will go until its off the
rollers....

-J

-----Original Message-----
From: JAMES THOMPSON [mailto:oldmillrat@m...]">mailto:oldmillrat@m...]
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 7:27 PM
To: james duprie
Cc: OldTools List
Subject: Re: [OldTools] Lifting heavy things - clarification

I brought home a safe weighing 1200 pounds, and almost 6' tall. I had no
other method, so I lifted one corner at a time about an inch, then put
blocks of varying thicknesses under the corners until I had enough room for
cribbing. Then I repeated the process, over and over until I got it up the
the height of my truck bed. Then I removed just enough cribbing to get the
tail gate under it. After that it was easy.

Arriving home, I got some help and laid the safe on its side, then we
scooted it off until one bottom edge was on my concrete driveway. Now, how
to stand it up?

I drilled a hole in my driveway and inserted an eye bolt. Used a come-along
to tilt it up straight. Then used a big pry bar to inch it into my garage.
Where it lives unto this very day. And I do not think it is ever going to
leave.


On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:48 PM, james duprie  wrote:

> The part I'm having a hard time with isn't getting the Large Very 
> Heavy Thing (about 1500 lbs) up on rollers. That's easy with a 10' 
> steel pry bar and a brick as a fulcrum. The hard part is how to get it 
> up the ramp and into the truck without an anchor point in the truck ( 
> a winch or come along would be easy if there was an anchor)...
> 
> The current concept is to walk it up the ramp using the 10' pry bar 
> (actually a digger bar, if you know what that is) about 6-12", wedge, 
> reset lever, and repeat.
> 
> On a side note - the rollers I use are about 2-3" Can't recall 
> exactly) dowels - probably oak - that I turned about 10 years ago. At 
> that point, my daughter was 5, and she was thrilled that she could 
> push the Large Very Heavy Thing across the shop by herself.....
> 
> -James
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OldTools [mailto:oldtools-
bounces@s...] On Behalf Of
> Ed Minch
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:22 AM
> To: Christopher Swingley
> Cc: OldTools List
> Subject: Re: [OldTools] Lifting heavy things
> 
> 7, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Christopher Swingley 
wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Scott's mention of jacks and cranes and blocking earlier today 
>> reminded me of one of last summer's projects.  It involves old tools 
>> and wood, but not of a sort we traditionally discuss in this forum.
> 
> 
> Chris
> 
> Well done - and how common is a 50 foot straight log in your area?  
> They are pieces of wood that not only will warm you twice, but now 
> have the potential to warm you a few more ties before it is all over.
> 
> I showed this set of pictures about 2 years ago, but here it is again:
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/14097256262/in/set-72157644087
7">https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/14097256262/in/set-721576440877
> 94668/
> 
> My brother lives on the Esopus Creek about 200 yards from the Hudson 
> River below Albany.  The house is about as close to the creek as 
> Chris' is, and was built in the 30's.  In 1955 there was an epic flood 
> where the house had a couple of inches of water in it, so it was 
> raised 2 cinder blocks higher, 16".
> 
> In 2011 there was a lot - a lot - of rain in the area.  In fact if you 
> watch some of CHris' videos, at the end some videos of that flood come 
> up - Irene by name.  The creek came up and put 2" of water in the 
> house, so he and his wife had to move out and fix things up.  He 
> devised a method where he cut the interior drywall at about 30" off 
> the floor, cut out the wall insulation, and installed a chair rail and 
> a baseboards with grooves at the back and a removable piece as a 
> wainscotting.  He changed some wiring to be flood proof, re-insulated, 
> and finished things off and moved back in.  Since Irene was the 100 year
flood he figured he was OK for a while.
> 
> Sandy hit the area a year later.  The water rose 13 feet in New York 
> City and actually filled a couple of tunnels under the East River - 
> yow.  His house is 80 miles up the river and they got 7 feet of that 
> 13.  The water was 22" up the walls of his freshly re-freshed house.  
> During Irene, the water came from upstream, but in Sandy it came from 
> downstream.  Sandy was something like 34" higher than the epic 1955
flood!!
> 
> Again he moved out and in the spring raised the house.  He has a good 
> friend who is in the Timber Framer's Guild and he works mostly on mill 
> restoration, but I also watched him replace one rotted member of a 
> truss in a big old stone barn without taking the truss apart.  I also 
> had a fun day numbering and disassembling a 1740 Dutch barn with him and
his crew.
> 
> He came with his 15 screw jacks and a truck load of timbers, and 4 of 
> us spent the day lifting the house 28".  It was - lift and inch on 
> this row of 5, lift an inch on that row of 5 and back and forth under the
house all day.
> All the time wrestling big timbers to set the house on.  Pretty 
> interesting day.
> 
> Our sailboat was a few miles away out of the water for the season on 
> the Roundout Creek in Kingston and the water came up high enough that 
> smaller boats were floating out into the road, but we need 6 feet of 
> water to float so we were OK.  I included some pictures showing how 
> easy it is to handle 12 tons with the right equipment.  They have 
> these machines that can handle a couple of hundred tons.
> 
> OT content - check those screw jacks.
> 
> Ed Minch
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