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253253 | David Nighswander <wishingstarfarm663@m...> | 2015‑01‑28 | Re: Veritas Custom Planes - more than a review |
>But the fact that forward force is transmitted to the Stanley (and just about any >other 19th Century plane) is clearly proved by the classic breaks found in plane >totes. It is inarguable that these breaks are the result of forward force applied to >the top of the tote. >Mike in Sacto I beg to differ with the issue of hand pressure damaging plane totes. I buy broken planes. All makes. All models. I have several that are in the process of being patched together and several more that have survived the experience and are happily making shavings. I have only the evidence before me to draw my conclusions from but I have noticed that on the planes that have broken totes, either the horn chipped or the tote cracked about 1” or less up from the base, they also have a distinct bend in the lateral adjuster and quite often a damaged knob. Some even have bends in the top of the blade and chips in the frog casting. On the basis of those observations I believe they have managed to land on their tops after being dropped. I also recycle wood in the projects that I somehow manage to work into my busy schedule. Most of the stuff has knots and twisted grain that can stop even my heavy Stanley 5 1/4 in mid stroke. While I tip the scales at just less than 300 and tend to be aggressive in my actions I have yet to damage a tote on any plane by using it properly. The same holds true for the few wooden and transitional planes that have fallen into my hands. They bear the signs of impact on the tops, ends, and sides but no indication of hand pressure snapping off the base or horn of a tote. Dave N. aka Old Sneelock |
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253258 | John Holladay <docholladay0820@g...> | 2015‑01‑28 | Re: Veritas Custom Planes - more than a review |
I tend to agree with David's opinion. I probably haven't repaired as many as he has, but I have repaired quite a few with broken totes. The vast majority that I have repaired appear to have been dropped or in some way had an impact (perhaps something dropped onto them). In my own use, I've never had one break during use, as yet. The ones that I have repaired (in most cases, simply gluing them if the break is clean) have help up very nicely to normal use. In some cases, you can barely even tell they were ever broken. One other thing I have noted on a few, the rod that runs through the tote to attach it to the plane has been bent of a few - also indicating they might have been dropped, IMHO. Doc John Holladay DocHolladay0820@g... 205-229-8484 |
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253270 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2015‑01‑29 | Re: Broken totes |
> On the basis of those observations I believe they have > managed to land on their tops after being dropped. I have a little difficulty understanding how many could manage to land such a way as to break the tote. Seems like many another point of contact would be more likely, but you have a point. I'll go inspect the bevy of broke tote planes in my shop and see what other damage I can see. Mike in Sacto |
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253272 | David Carradine <David.Carradine@b...> | 2015‑01‑29 | Re: Broken totes |
GG's, Since this has become a thread on broken totes I have to ask if anyone has a good way of recycling broken totes. I don't mean the ones that you have both broken bits of that can be glued back together, but rather those ones that you get with a box of plane parts (all perfectly usable of course) where they are broken off an inch (25.4mm) or so from the top and the broken off part is long gone. I could give them to the guy at the market who makes steampunk guns to use as handles, but I was thinking there may be a better way to recycle them. Any suggestions? Many thanks, GH Snip: 'll go inspect the bevy of broke tote planes in my shop and see what other damage I can see. |
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253273 | "Adam R. Maxwell" <amaxwell@m...> | 2015‑01‑29 | Re: Veritas Custom Planes - more than a review |
> On Jan 28, 2015, at 10:13 , David Nighswander |
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253276 | researchr1--- | 2015‑01‑29 | Re: Broken totes |
I use pieces cut from broken totes to repair chips and gouges in other totes and knobs. Brazilian rosewood, used in early totes, is not available from any modern source, so I save every scrap that I get. Bob PageIn da U.P. of Michigan From: David Carradine |
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253277 | Mick Dowling <spacelysprocket@b...> | 2015‑01‑29 | Re: Broken totes |
GGs There's often enough salvageable wood in the base of the tote in front of the rod to repair the tip off a horn. Done it many times, and while it's never a perfect match it is better than using some other species of timber. To short circuit the usual 'duck and run' suspects, OBVIOUSLY this can't be achieved in the same tote. Mick Dowling Melbourne Member, Hand Tool Preservation Association of Australia Inc. On 29/01/2015 12:52 pm, "David Carradine" |
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253278 | Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> | 2015‑01‑29 | Re: Broken totes |
Mick, i have heard tell it can be done after using a left-handed tote-stretcher...I'd imagine there might be one in that recovered toolbox of Henry Hoke ;) Best, Bill Felton, CA On Wednesday, January 28, 2015, Mick Dowling |
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253279 | Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> | 2015‑01‑29 | Re: Broken totes |
Mick, i have heard tell it can be done after using a left-handed tote-stretcher...I'd imagine there might be one in that recovered toolbox of Henry Hoke ;) Best, Bill Felton, CA On Wednesday, January 28, 2015, Mick Dowling |
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253281 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2015‑01‑29 | Re: Broken totes |
> Mick, i have heard tell it can be done after using a left-handed > tote-stretcher... Well, yes, but the results won't be satisfactory if you don't have the board fluffer to fatten it up after. (the right handed fluffer can be used). Mike in Sacto |
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253282 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2015‑01‑29 | Re: Veritas Custom Planes - more than a review |
> I think you could break a tote if the nut on the rod > loosens up; I have a couple with intact horns, but the > grip was broken horizontally in the middle. That's what I've been considering. One of my #5 Stanleys definitely has damage to the horn on the tote as well, and the break in this tote could be part of a dropping episode. I still have to look at the others to see if there is other evidence of dropping damage. All of them have that horizontal break somewhere near the middle. I have four or five with this break. Mike in Sacto |
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253308 | Mick Dowling <spacelysprocket@b...> | 2015‑01‑30 | Re: Broken totes |
GGs Here is what I have long assumed to be a factory attempt to reinforce the larger sized Stanley totes around the front screw; http://tinyurl.com/oqb3mam Didn't work as the picture shows, and in fact creates a large area of short grain. Never seen another. Mick Dowling Melbourne Member, Hand Tool Preservation Association of Australia Inc. On 29/01/2015 12:52 pm, "David Carradine" |
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253310 | Thomas Conroy | 2015‑01‑30 | Re: Broken totes |
GH wrote: "Since this has become a thread on broken totes I have to ask if anyone has a good way of recycling broken totes..." At times you may find that one broken tote provides the rosewood for repairing another broken tote, or some other tool handle. Tom Conroy |
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253311 | Thomas Conroy | 2015‑01‑30 | Re: Broken totes |
From: David Nighswander wrote: "There may be a way for someone to break a tote that is outside my meager knowledge..... I've often wondered how far a plane would have to fall to generate that level of force..." I believe that using a #8 as a pit bull deterrent device puts greater strains on the handle than those from normal planing, and puts them on at different angles. Breaks in smaller planes? Well, there are smaller dogs that sometimes need deterring. I can see a gradation of use down to a #1 for deterring chihuahuas. Those little dogs are fast, so a lighter,more maneuverable deterrent device seems advisable....In fact, this may be the solution for the oft-debated question of what a #1 is good for... Tom Conroy ducking and running |
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