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229504 | "Adam R. Maxwell" <amaxwell@m...> | 2012‑04‑30 | turning tool handles |
GGs, I need some advice on handle sizes for a couple of old Buck Bros. tools I picked up to use with my pole lathe: http://tinyurl.com/7b6qq4m The tangs are about 1" wide at the widest part, and 1/4-5/16" thick. Any idea what size handle these would have come with? Should I just make the largest handle I can grip? Getting the tangs seated without splitting is going to be fun, too... Dunno how long these were when new, but the photo really doesn't show how massive they are. That gouge is steadier on the toolrest than my import 1" gouge, even without a handle! thanks, Adam Port Angeles, WA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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229505 | James Thompson <oldmillrat@m...> | 2012‑04‑30 | Re: turning tool handles |
The tang doesn't need to go all the way into the handle. I make my lathe tool ha ndles about 14" long for the larger ones, 12" for smaller sizes. A 1" diameter f errule is about right. Diameter is dependent on how big your hands are. My hands are big, so I like 1 1/8" for the grip. You need to heat the tang red hot while the tool is secured in the vise. Then pu sh the handle onto the tang. It won't go all the way the first time. repeat as n ecessary. If the handle you make doesn't suit you, just remove the ferrule and make anothe r one. On Apr 30, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: > GGs, > > I need some advice on handle sizes for a couple of old Buck Bros. tools > I picked up to use with my pole lathe: > > http://tinyurl.com/7b6qq4m > > The tangs are about 1" wide at the widest part, and 1/4-5/16" thick. > Any idea what size handle these would have come with? Should I just > make the largest handle I can grip? Getting the tangs seated without > splitting is going to be fun, too... > > Dunno how long these were when new, but the photo really doesn't show > how massive they are. That gouge is steadier on the toolrest than my > import 1" gouge, even without a handle! > > thanks, > Adam > Port Angeles, WA > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool > aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage, > value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of > traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools. > > To change your subscription options: > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools > > To read the FAQ: > http://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html > > OldTools archive: http://swingleydev.com/archive/ > > OldTools@r... > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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229515 | Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> | 2012‑05‑01 | Re: turning tool handles |
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Adam R. Maxwell |
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229516 | "Adam R. Maxwell" <amaxwell@m...> | 2012‑05‑01 | Re: turning tool handles |
On May 1, 2012, at 07:43 , Kirk Eppler |
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229520 | gary may <garyallanmay@y...> | 2012‑05‑01 | Re: turning tool handles |
Hi GGs and KE--- Likely no handles. PNTC's President Racine picked up a NIB set of L&IJ White Turning chisels from a column-turning shop in OR (I believe it was)---these tools are massive, ranging from 1/2" wide, or so, to well over two inches wide, and about 18" long. Or longer. In the cosmoline, and the L&IJW crate, under a pile of shavings, dust and lathe parts. Several dozen of 'em, IIRC, the whole arsenal of the time, but no handles. What a gyp. still, not too terrible---gam in Puget Sound If you were Einstein's father, we wouldn't have the bomb." Peggy Hill --- On Tue, 5/1/12, Kirk Eppler |
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229522 | James Thompson <oldmillrat@m...> | 2012‑05‑01 | Re: turning tool handles |
The length measurement does not include the tang. Nor the handle. Many of my tur ning tools measure 24" or more in total length. It is easy to tell the difference between a turning tool and a bench gouge becau se turning tools do not have bolsters. They don't need one. On May 1, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: > > On May 1, 2012, at 07:43 , Kirk Eppler |
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229550 | Thomas Conroy <booktoolcutter@y...> | 2012‑05‑02 | Re: turning tool handles |
Kirk Eppler wrote: > If its any consolation, the chisels were probably sold that way.=A0 > The Rayl's 1905 catalog shows them as Buck Bros Extra Long Turning > Chisels...=A0 > Average Length 11" > and Adam Maxwell replied: "Well, that's interesting!=A0 I wonder how 11" is measured...if it excludes the tang, these are shorter than new." I have a reprint of the Buck Bros. 1890 price list, and the page on "Extra Long C.S. Turning Chisels. No. 21." without handles says: "The 1 inch is 11 inches over all." In measuring the illustration, the straight- sided part of the blade seems to have been around 6" long and the necked- in area including tang 5" long. The page on "Extra Long And Strong C.S. Turning Chisels. No. 23." without handles says "The 1 inch is 13 inches over all." Measuring the illustration suggests a length of 8" for the straight-sided part of the blade, and 5" for the necked-in part plus the tang. Apparently normal practice in describing chisel length has changed in the last century, and it used to be overall length of the handleless steel. The page on handled turning chisels gives no length dimensions; however, in the illustration the handle looks about as long as the exposed part of the blade. More specifically, the straight-sided part of the blade measures, in the drawing, 2-7/16"; the entire exposed part of the blade measures 2-11/16"; the entire handle measures 3-1/2"; the handle without the ferrule measure 3-1/4". I have a couple of old Buck turning tool handles. One is 8-5/8" long overall, of which 9/16" is a brass ferrule; the wood is 1-1/8 inch in diameter in the 4" nearest the rounded butt, necking in to 1-1/32"=A0 and then out again to 1-3/32" near the ferrule, with the ferrule 11/16" in diameter. Oddly enough, this handle came to me on a bookbinder's finishing tool, which had charred out the end; it is way too big for that purpose, so I transferred it to a turning tool, a parting tool made from an old Italian foil blade. The ways of handles are strange. The other Buck handle I have, on a diamond-section parting tool that has been sharpened down to 4-1/2", is fatter and shorter and seems newer, but has a similar near-cylindrical shape, a bit less rounded at the butt. It is 7-15/16" long, of which 1/2" is a brass ferrule. Diameter for most of the half near the butt is 1-3/16", necking down to 1-1/8" at 2" from the ferrule, and back out to 1-7/32" near the ferrule. My favorite turning gouges and skews are Charles Buck and Buck Bros. cast steel, but none of them are in their original handles. I like the gouge sections better than modern sections, and I do a lot with skews (but nothing with scrapers). My lathe is a treadle, so they don't go dull as fast as they wood with a power lathe (and, I confess, I don't resharpen as often as I should) so I'm not eating the blades up as fast as power grinding for a power lathe would do. Tom Conroy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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229564 | John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> | 2012‑05‑03 | RE: turning tool handles |
Tom Conroy piqued the curiosity of the Porch with "a parting tool made from an old Italian foil blade." Beating your swords into plowshares=2C eh? The is the second use of foil blades I've seen discussed here=2C the other being replacement bows for antique bow drills. John ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------ |
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229614 | "Adam R. Maxwell" <amaxwell@m...> | 2012‑05‑03 | Re: turning tool handles |
Thanks for all the replies on handles and Buck Bros. lathe tools in general, bot h on and off list! If nothing else, I'm reminded to look for tool catalogs and reprints as a source of info. Here's what I came up with yesterday for a handle. Hard maple, 18" long, copper ferrule: http://maxwells.smugmug.com/Hobbies/Tools/i-gCLnWJG/0/L/IMG3442-L.jpg I'm not entirely happy with the aesthetics of it, but I think it'll work. Now t o sharpen this sucker up and turn a handle for the skew... Adam Port Angeles, WA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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229635 | Thomas Conroy <booktoolcutter@y...> | 2012‑05‑04 | RE: turning tool handles |
I think it was the website about pianomakers' tools that was linked to a while back-- I saw the bit where it mentioned foil blades, and thought "Great! I'll make a bow saw." Then I looked at the quality of workmanship and materials in those saws and got scared off. Its not as if I make pianos and need one. I haven't fenced for thirty years, but I still have broken foil blades around, and they are still one of my important sources of steel for small projects. Broken foils and worn-out files-- only, since I learned you can resharpen files with citric acid I've even resharpened the files I bought as raw scrap, and I'm reduced to the ones I had annealed before learning about citric. Tom John Ruth wrote: "Tom Conroy=A0piqued the curiosity of the Porch with 'a parting tool made from an old Italian foil blade.' Beating your swords into plowshares, eh?=A0 The is the second use of foil blades I've seen discussed here, the other being replacement bows for antique bow drills." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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229647 | "David Erickson" <swtools@s...> | 2012‑05‑04 | Re: turning tool handles |
Adam, I should have posted a couple of weeks ago when you first asked about Buck lathe chisel handles. Here are a couple of pictures of a Buck gouge with the original Buck handle. The ferrule is oval shaped BTW, which makes sense considering the wide tang. https://www.dropbox.com/s/z2jjusk65oy72z2/buck_02.JPG https://www.dropbox.com/s/teoevice42jbcea/buck_01.JPG -Dave Adam says: >Thanks for all the replies on handles and Buck Bros. lathe tools in >general, both on and off list! If nothing else, I'm reminded to look for >tool catalogs and reprints as a source of info. > >Here's what I came up with yesterday for a handle. Hard maple, 18" long, >copper ferrule: > >http://maxwells.smugmug.com/Hobbies/Tools/i-gCLnWJG/0/L/IMG3442-L.jpg > >I'm not entirely happy with the aesthetics of it, but I think it'll work. >Now to sharpen this sucker up and turn a handle for the skew... > >Adam >Port Angeles, WA ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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