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202042 | Tony Zaffuto <TZMTI@c...> | 2010‑03‑16 | cleaning oilstones |
While cleaning the two stones purchased on my return trip from Saturday's PATINA sale, I've found what may be the quickest and easiest method to rid decades of gunk. Try using some Goop handcleaner (available in the auto department of your local Wallyworld and appears identical to DL Handcleaner from years past). Rub in it for a minute or two and rinse off with warm water. Worked like a charm on both stones. Tony Z. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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202047 | "Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq." <rohrabacher@e...> | 2010‑03‑16 | Re: cleaning oilstones |
I use high detergent auto Tranny fluid. Cleans old ones up and keeps the good ones free of crud. Tony Zaffuto wrote: > While cleaning the two stones purchased on my return trip from > Saturday's PATINA sale, I've found what may be the quickest and > easiest method to rid decades of gunk. Try using some Goop > handcleaner (available in the auto department of your local Wallyworld > and appears identical to DL Handcleaner from years past). Rub in it > for a minute or two and rinse off with warm water. Worked like a > charm on both stones. > > Tony Z. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool > aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage, > value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of > traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools. > > To change your subscription options: > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools > > To read the FAQ: > http://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html > > OldTools archive: http://swingleydev.com/archive/ > > OldTools@r... > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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202049 | "Dave Pearce" <dave@p...> | 2010‑03‑16 | RE: cleaning oilstones |
If I recall right, DL had kerosene in it. We had a tub handy in the garage for years when I was growing up. I wonder if soaking in straight kerosene might also do the trick? I stocked up this winter so I've got a few extra gallons around. --dave -----Original Message----- From: oldtools-bounces@r... [mailto:oldtools-bounces@r...]On Behalf Of Tony Zaffuto Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 4:24 PM To: OLDTOOLS Subject: [OldTools] cleaning oilstones While cleaning the two stones purchased on my return trip from Saturday's PATINA sale, I've found what may be the quickest and easiest method to rid decades of gunk. Try using some Goop handcleaner (available in the auto department of your local Wallyworld and appears identical to DL Handcleaner from years past). Rub in it for a minute or two and rinse off with warm water. Worked like a charm on both stones. Tony Z. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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202057 | "Tony Zaffuto" <tzmti@c...> | 2010‑03‑17 | RE: cleaning oilstones |
What was nice about the hand cleaner was how fast it worked. In a matter of minutes, I had the crud off with no soaking required. T.Z. > -----Original Message----- > From: oldtools-bounces@r... [mailto:oldtools- > bounces@r...] On Behalf Of Dave Pearce > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:59 PM > To: OLDTOOLS > Subject: RE: [OldTools] cleaning oilstones > > If I recall right, DL had kerosene in it. We had a tub handy in the garage > for years when I was growing up. I wonder if soaking in straight kerosene > might also do the trick? I stocked up this winter so I've got a few extra > gallons around. > > --dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: oldtools-bounces@r... > [mailto:oldtools-bounces@r...]On Behalf Of Tony > Zaffuto > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 4:24 PM > To: OLDTOOLS > Subject: [OldTools] cleaning oilstones > > > While cleaning the two stones purchased on my return trip from > Saturday's PATINA sale, I've found what may be the quickest and > easiest method to rid decades of gunk. Try using some Goop > handcleaner (available in the auto department of your local Wallyworld > and appears identical to DL Handcleaner from years past). Rub in it > for a minute or two and rinse off with warm water. Worked like a > charm on both stones. > > Tony Z. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool > aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage, > value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of > traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools. > > To change your subscription options: > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools > > To read the FAQ: > http://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html > > OldTools archive: http://swingleydev.com/archive/ > > OldTools@r... > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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202063 | "genfurn@e..." <genfurn@uniteone.net> | 2010‑03‑17 | Re: cleaning oilstones |
Ayup, it will. My standard cleaner is half kerosene and half 30 weight motor oil. Dribble a little on while sharpening and the stone cuts like crazy. Messy, but effective. Bruce Z. Kearney, MO From: "Dave Pearce" |
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214041 | John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> | 2011‑02‑22 | RE: cleaning oilstones |
GG's: I want to share an unexpected success in cleaning an oilstone. The "patient" was an unusually greasy but unworn fine/medium India combination stone. The goo had resisted waterless hand cleaner=2C the Galoots standard approach to this problem. Acrylic Enamel Reducer=2C an automobile body painting supply item=2C applied to a coarse paper towel did a GREAT job of removing the grease. It left the manufacturer's printed markings intact. A few minutes and the stone was totally cleaned. Just be sure to wear gloves and do this outdoors=2C for obvious reasons. John Ruth ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ------------ |
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214049 | "Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq." <rohrabacher@e...> | 2011‑02‑22 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
I've used high detergent Auto Transmission oil on my stones with great success. No waxy buildup. Cleaned them in the past with a soaking in mineral spirits. On 2/22/2011 10:52 AM, John Ruth wrote: > GG's: > > > I want to share an unexpected success in cleaning an oilstone. The "patient " was an unusually greasy but unworn fine/medium India combination stone. The g oo had resisted waterless hand cleaner, the Galoots standard approach to this pr oblem. > > > Acrylic Enamel Reducer, an automobile body painting supply item, applied to a coarse paper towel did a GREAT job of removing the grease. It left the manufac turer's printed markings intact. A few minutes and the stone was totally cleaned . > > Just be sure to wear gloves and do this outdoors, for obvious reasons. > > John Ruth > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool > aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage, > value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of > traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools. > > To change your subscription options: > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools > > To read the FAQ: > http://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html > > OldTools archive: http://swingleydev.com/archive/ > > OldTools@r... > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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214065 | Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:10 AM, paul womack |
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214067 | w.taggart@v... | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
On Feb 23, 2011, Kirk Eppler |
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214073 | scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
I certainly have not a shred of doubt that enamel reducer will clean a stone. Laq thinner is already a heavy enough solvent, but reducer?? Eeeeeee Ya! Take a flamethrower and a 1/2 case of dynamite to it! I couldn't afford to waste reducer. Barely can have enough for my paint as it is. Laq thinner is cheaper if you haveta. But..... Any light petroleum product will also work. Very thin oil, mineral oil, tranny fluid, kerosene, paint thinner, gasoline. The kind of thing I would use would be the used tranny fluid from one I just drained, or the leftover lawn mower or chainsaw/trimmer gas at the end of the season I didn't really want to keep over the winter because there was too little left. Or the kerosene lamp that hadn't been used in years and had turned dark and hard to light. Waste petroleum. Hey, speaking of petro, did you know that before it became so widely used, one of the early applications of petroleum was as a patent medicine? Yup, it came in a bottle and people took it by the spoonful. I expect it was a laxative. Petro-latum it was called. If anyone has an embossed glass Petrolatum bottle in fine shape? Please call. You ought to find me one Tony, they came from your neighborhood,..... in the 1820-30's. yours Scott -- ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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214075 | scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
docholladay0820@g... wrote: > > Yuck& double yuck! When you refer to petroleum, are you referring to gasol ine? No no no this was -much- earlier than distilled gasoline or any other refined product. It was at the very beginning of the industrial revolution, the first steam trains were hardly on tracks yet! People burned whale oil in their lamps. EIGHTEEN 20's - 30's It was crude oil straight from the ground. yours Scott ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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214058 | paul womack <pwomack@p...> | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
John Ruth wrote: > > GG's: > > > I want to share an unexpected success in cleaning an oilstone. The "patient " was an unusually greasy but unworn fine/medium India combination stone. ... > > > Acrylic Enamel Reducer, an automobile body painting supply item, applied to a coarse paper towel did a GREAT job of removing the grease. Anyone know what the "actual" composition of "Acrylic Enamel Reducer" is? BugBear ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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214078 | scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
OK, old patent medicines,... just get me started !!!! The three most popular ingredients in nearly all of them, including The Great - Dr Kilmers - Kidney Liver and Bladder Cure - Specific!! (one dollar a bottle, folks, just one dollar for the perfect preparation of secretly guarded ingredients guaranteed to cure ......) Were alcohol, opium and laxative. Notably senna or calomel. About 4 hours in the outhouse worth. Mrs Winslows Soothing Syrup for Teething Infants....... was loaded with alcohol and opium (also known as laudanum) The thing was, people didn't really have all that much that actually worked to a strong effect. Aspirin and quinine didn't come along until the 1880's. So old time herbs and spices, not very effective but old time trusted, and the big three, made up almost all of them. They wouldn't really cure you of anything, but they seldom killed you either, and when you drank them? something definitely did happen. Happy tonight, busy tomorrow yours Scott -- ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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214076 | Mike Siemsen <mike@g...> | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
On 02/23/2011 11:40 AM, scott grandstaff wrote: > It was crude oil straight from the ground. Probably mixed well with laudanum, YUM!! Mike Skipping the scatological humor about laxatives and being stoned. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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214087 | James Thompson <jdthompsonca@s...> | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
What about DMSO? On Feb 23, 2011, at 11:38 AM, John Ruth wrote: >> GG's Mention was made of using otherwise "waste" petrochemicals and >> that applies here. I was using up some dregs in a rusty can that I >> found in my late father's garage. It was HIGHLY effective as an >> oilstone cleaner. This was a greasy stone purchased at a Flea Market >> for $1. The pores of the stone went from totally clogged to totally >> clean in a few wipes. Yes, it may have been overkill.>> Acrylic >> Enamel Reducer also removes cosmolene PDQ. I'll start another thread >> about the cosmolene-encrusted tool I bought at a surplus dealer. >> John Ruth > Who recently saw a medical study that proved that the folk remedy of > rubbing diesel fuel on arthritic knees is totally worthless despite > testimony to the contrary. >>>>> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:12:20 -0600 >> From: w.taggart@v... To: eppler.kirk@g... Subject: Re: Re: [OldTools] >> RE: cleaning oilstones >> CC: oldtools@r... >>>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2011, Kirk Eppler |
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214091 | James Thompson <jdthompsonca@s...> | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
Modern medicines have transformed the world. In my lifetime I have seen vaccines, antibiotics, and anesthetics, among other things, invented or discovered. When I was a child, ether was the anesthetic available, and penicillin the only antibiotic. So patent medicines were pretty much your only choices. If you got better, then the medicine must have worked. If you didn't get better, you must have taken the wrong medicine. Coal oil (kerosene) was a very popular remedy for a lot of ailments, both internal and external. Since vaccines were unheard of except for smallpox, children under 6 were taken to visit with other children who had contagious diseases so they could catch the disease and develop immunity to those diseases, mumps, measles, etc. If you got all the childhood diseases before you started school, then you wouldn't have to miss school because of these diseases. It made perfect sense back then. I had them all. I don't recall anybody dying of the childhood diseases, but now everyone is convinced that these are deadly. Maybe they are. On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Mike Siemsen wrote: > Sleep is a potent healer. The drugs killed the pain or coughing or > whatever so you could get a decent nights sleep. It wasn't that long > ago that codeine was in over the counter cough medicine. Many of them > contain alcohol. My old man gave us blackberry brandy for it's > curative powers, and he could have some too! Mike >> On 02/23/2011 12:11 PM, scott grandstaff wrote: OK, old patent >> medicines,... just get me started !!!! >>>> The three most popular ingredients in nearly all of them, >>>> including >> The Great - Dr Kilmers - Kidney Liver and Bladder Cure - Specific!! >>>> (one dollar a bottle, folks, just one dollar for the perfect >>>> preparation of secretly guarded ingredients guaranteed to cure >>>> ......) Were alcohol, opium and laxative. >> Notably senna or calomel. About 4 hours in the outhouse worth. >>>>>> Mrs Winslows Soothing Syrup for Teething Infants....... >> was loaded with alcohol and opium (also known as laudanum) >>>> The thing was, people didn't really have all that much that >>>> actually worked to a strong effect. >> Aspirin and quinine didn't come along until the 1880's. So old time >> herbs and spices, not very effective but old time trusted, and the >> big three, made up almost all of them. >>>> They wouldn't really cure you of anything, but they seldom killed >>>> you either, and when you drank them? >> something definitely did happen. >>>> Happy tonight, busy tomorrow yours Scott >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ------ > OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool > aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage, > value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of > traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools. >> To change your subscription options: > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools >> To read the FAQ: > http://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html >> OldTools archive: http://swingleydev.com/archive/ OldTools@r... > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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214092 | James Thompson <jdthompsonca@s...> | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
Ayup! Long ago new military weaponry came coated with cosmoline. Hot water and G.I. soap were the standard answer to cleaning it off. Gasoline worked faster, if you could get gasoline. On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:29 PM, w.taggart@v... wrote: >>> On Feb 23, 2011, John Ruth |
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214086 | Mike Siemsen <mike@g...> | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
Sleep is a potent healer. The drugs killed the pain or coughing or whatever so you could get a decent nights sleep. It wasn't that long ago that codeine was in over the counter cough medicine. Many of them contain alcohol. My old man gave us blackberry brandy for it's curative powers, and he could have some too! Mike On 02/23/2011 12:11 PM, scott grandstaff wrote: > OK, old patent medicines,... just get me started !!!! > > The three most popular ingredients in nearly all of them, including > The Great - Dr Kilmers - Kidney Liver and Bladder Cure - Specific!! > > (one dollar a bottle, folks, just one dollar for the perfect > preparation of secretly guarded ingredients guaranteed to cure ......) > > Were alcohol, opium and laxative. > Notably senna or calomel. > About 4 hours in the outhouse worth. > > > Mrs Winslows Soothing Syrup for Teething Infants....... > was loaded with alcohol and opium (also known as laudanum) > > The thing was, people didn't really have all that much that actually > worked to a strong effect. > Aspirin and quinine didn't come along until the 1880's. > So old time herbs and spices, not very effective but old time > trusted, and the big three, made up almost all of them. > > They wouldn't really cure you of anything, but they seldom killed you > either, and when you drank them? > something definitely did happen. > > Happy tonight, busy tomorrow > > yours Scott > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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214089 | w.taggart@v... | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
On Feb 23, 2011, scott grandstaff |
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214090 | w.taggart@v... | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
On Feb 23, 2011, John Ruth |
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214084 | John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> | 2011‑02‑23 | RE: RE: cleaning oilstones |
GG's Mention was made of using otherwise "waste" petrochemicals and that applies here. I was using up some dregs in a rusty can that I found in my late father's garage. It was HIGHLY effective as an oilstone cleaner. This was a greasy stone purchased at a Flea Market for $1. The pores of the stone went from totally clogged to totally clean in a few wipes. Yes=2C it may have been overkill.Acrylic Enamel Reducer also removes cosmolene PDQ. I'll start another thread about the cosmolene-encrusted tool I bought at a surplus dealer. John Ruth Who recently saw a medical study that proved that the folk remedy of rubbing diesel fuel on arthritic knees is totally worthless despite testimony to the contrary. > Date: Wed=2C 23 Feb 2011 08:12:20 -0600 From: w.taggart@v... To: > eppler.kirk@g... Subject: Re: Re: [OldTools] RE: cleaning oilstones > CC: oldtools@r... >>>> On Feb 23=2C 2011=2C Kirk Eppler |
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214094 | John Holladay <docholladay0820@g...> | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
I'm not sure which is worse, cosmolene (sounds like something from an episode of The Jetson's) or blister packing. I used to work for a company called Hunter Engineering. We manufactured and sold automotive shop equipment. I was the guy that would install the equipment at the customer site and then train their technicians how to use said equipment. One of our more popular products was wheel balancers. When I first started working for them, they would ship the parts coated in cosmolene and we would have to clean all of of it off of the cones and adapters before the machine could be used. This was a pain, but, in an auto shop, generally, break cleaner spray is easily accessible and cheap. It did a fair job of cutting that stuff and cleaning the parts with a little bit of wiping with a rag. Later, they abandoned the cosmolene and someone decided to blister pack the parts to a piece of cardboard instead. Anyway, the end result of that was having to dig pieces of plastic out of the threads of the shafts and clamp nuts. That really was a pain. It got so bad that I submitted a memo (these went across the desk of the CEO) about it. These memos were intended for making suggestions where a product was dangerous, needed and improvement to work better or something like that. Not to complain because it was taking me 2 hours just to get the machine unpacked when I was only paid 1 1/2 hours to install the machine and train the technician. Anyway, I worded the memo something like "if the guy with the blister pack machine, packing the wheel balancer parts, doesn't lighten up, I am going to go to the plant and blister pack him." Anyway, I never received a response (I'm probably lucky I didn't lose my job.) but some time later, I noticed that, while they were still blister packed, somehow, they had figured out how to do it so it didn't get into every little nook and cranny of the parts. I was happy. Doc On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:50 PM, John Ruth |
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214093 | John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> | 2011‑02‑23 | RE: RE: cleaning oilstones |
Bill and Jim: > Very hot water (i.e.=2C from your tea kettle) removes cosmolene > PDQ also=2C and leave the item nice and clean.>Thank you for that > gem. Not having been in the service=2C I was not aware that > cosmolene could be melted off. That stuff seems like a cross > between wax and grease. I really need to discuss that tool in a > separate thread - which I want to start when I have the tool in > my hand. The cosmolene makes me suspect this tool was originally > > ordered by Uncle Sam. John ------------------------------------------------- --------------- > -------- |
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214097 | Mike Siemsen <mike@g...> | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
Maybe you can clean oilstones with saurkraut juice? On 02/23/2011 03:57 PM, John Pesut wrote: > When my dad or any of his brothers claimed sickness (always a school > day) he let them > stay home but made them drink a glass of sauerkraut juice right from > the barrel in the > basement. Not so much a cure I think but a way to make sure you were > really sick. > > Buzzz. No old tool content. Sorry. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "scott grandstaff" |
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214095 | "John Pesut" <the_tinker@a...> | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
Any one familiar with CMP (Civilian Marksmanship Program, Jeff)and obtaining their fine wares, knows all about cleaning cosmoline. Tried them all. I'm sticking with my wife's Scunsi steamer (at least when she's not home!). That little devil cleans a rifle stock like "who flung the chunk". With the tiny tip it gets into every nook and cranny and just melts it away and as I learned working at the old Westinghouse East Pittsburgh Generator Works, steam is a dry gas and will not harm a 100 year old wooden rifle stock. After cleaning them you often need to repair them...Bing. Old tool content. -------------------------------------------------- From: "James Thompson" |
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214096 | "John Pesut" <the_tinker@a...> | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
When my dad or any of his brothers claimed sickness (always a school day) he let them stay home but made them drink a glass of sauerkraut juice right from the barrel in the basement. Not so much a cure I think but a way to make sure you were really sick. Buzzz. No old tool content. Sorry. -------------------------------------------------- From: "scott grandstaff" |
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214074 | docholladay0820@g... | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
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214077 | docholladay0820@g... | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
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214103 | Bob Miller <bobprime@b...> | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 18:49, Philip Yarra |
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214106 | w.taggart@v... | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
On Feb 23, 2011, Philip Yarra |
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214107 | Robert Hutchins <rhhutchins@h...> | 2011‑02‑23 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
Yep! As usual Jim T. is right on the money! In 1946, I suffered a fractured skull. The wound was deep enough that there was concern that my brain would be exposed to bacteria (but I was young enough that the skull was still growing so the brain was not permanently exposed). I was one of the first civilians in my area to receive treatment with a new antibiotic that had theretofore been reserved for treating injured soldiers. What was that miracle drug? Penicillin! In those days they had little idea of correct dosage, using the the rule of thumb that you should take as much as you could provided it didn't kill you. I received mega dosages by injection every 6 hours for 8 days. Doctors nowadays surmise that its effects on me are not as great as expected perhaps due to some early adaptation my body made to the drug. In those days, some childhood diseases caused the public health department (at the county level IIRC) to quarantine the household. That meant that none could enter or leave unless they could prove they had survived the particular disease causing quarantine. I recall that measles and mumps didn't warrant quarantine, but scarlet fever, rheumatic fever and polio did. I had most of the childhood disease except mumps and polio. I remember my large family fearing being quarantined when I had scarlet fever. There would have been 5 teenagers in the house then. Can you even imagine what that would have been like. I think my mother might have borrowed the claw hammer (to get this on topic) if the county health department had nailed up the placard. Bob Hutchins Temple, TX, USA On 2/23/2011 2:31 PM, James Thompson wrote: > > Modern medicines have transformed the world. In my lifetime I have seen vacc ines, antibiotics, and anesthetics, among other things, invented or discovered. When I was a child, ether was the anesthetic available, and penicillin the only antibiotic. So patent medicines were pretty much your only choices. If you got b etter, then the medicine must have worked. If you didn't get better, you must ha ve taken the wrong medicine. > > > Coal oil (kerosene) was a very popular remedy for a lot of ailments, both in ternal and external. > > > Since vaccines were unheard of except for smallpox, children under 6 were ta ken to visit with other children who had contagious diseases so they could catch the disease and develop immunity to those diseases, mumps, measles, etc. If you got all the childhood diseases before you started school, then you wouldn't hav e to miss school because of these diseases. It made perfect sense back then. I h ad them all. I don't recall anybody dying of the childhood diseases, but now eve ryone is convinced that these are deadly. Maybe they are. > > > On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Mike Siemsen wrote: > >> >> Sleep is a potent healer. The drugs killed the pain or coughing or whateve r so you could get a decent nights sleep. It wasn't that long ago that codeine w as in over the counter cough medicine. Many of them contain alcohol. My old man gave us blackberry brandy for it's curative powers, and he could have some too! >> Mike >> >> On 02/23/2011 12:11 PM, scott grandstaff wrote: >>> OK, old patent medicines,... just get me started !!!! >>> >>> The three most popular ingredients in nearly all of them, including >>> The Great - Dr Kilmers - Kidney Liver and Bladder Cure - Specific!! >>> >>> >>> (one dollar a bottle, folks, just one dollar for the perfect preparation of secretly guarded ingredients guaranteed to cure ......) >>> >>> Were alcohol, opium and laxative. >>> Notably senna or calomel. >>> About 4 hours in the outhouse worth. >>> >>> >>> Mrs Winslows Soothing Syrup for Teething Infants....... >>> was loaded with alcohol and opium (also known as laudanum) >>> >>> >>> The thing was, people didn't really have all that much that actually wor ked to a strong effect. >>> Aspirin and quinine didn't come along until the 1880's. >>> >>> So old time herbs and spices, not very effective but old time trusted, and the big three, made up almost all of them. >>> >>> >>> They wouldn't really cure you of anything, but they seldom killed you ei ther, and when you drank them? >>> something definitely did happen. >>> >>> Happy tonight, busy tomorrow >>> >>> yours Scott >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool >> aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage, >> value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of >> traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools. >> >> To change your subscription options: >> http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools >> >> To read the FAQ: >> http://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html >> >> OldTools archive: http://swingleydev.com/archive/ >> >> OldTools@r... >> http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool > aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage, > value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of > traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools. > > To change your subscription options: > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools > > To read the FAQ: > http://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html > > OldTools archive: http://swingleydev.com/archive/ > > OldTools@r... > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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214109 | gary may <garyallanmay@y...> | 2011‑02‑24 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
GGs: As a kid hod-carrier, I swallowed gas while siphoning some to get a mortar mixer runnning---"carrying hod' on a masonry job means you do everything while the masons only lay bricks. Or lay around. Anyway, hurrying to get these no-helping guys back to work, I got a good gulp, belched gas all day and into the evening. For the next few days, food tasted really good. I'm not kidding, I can still remember most everything I ate being heavenly... was 'petro-latum' also marketed as an appetizer? EMWTK---gam in Seattle, or Olympia, I forget How horrible it is to have so many people killed!---And what a blessing one cares for none of them! Jane Austen --- On Wed, 2/23/11, docholladay0820@g... |
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214113 | gary may <garyallanmay@y...> | 2011‑02‑24 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
Hi Bill--- Excellent post--We had a spate of tolulene poisoning among the caulkers in my window crew back in the mid-eighties---I was lucky not to be washing my hands and tools in the stuff daily, but the guys who did that have severe health problems to this day, involving hyper-sensitivity to most every volatile hydrocarbon---they get sick at gas stations, or when the wife removes her nailpolish, like that. It got 'em all in the kidneys and liver at first, IIRC, involving some pretty extensive medical treatments back then, and keeps 'em guessing and upset to this day. None of them have cancer though, so far. There is, apparently, some dispute about whether or not tobacco causes cancer. It certainly causes a lot of disputes here at home, that's for sure. All petroleum distillates seem to be marked with a disclaimer that says "Known by the State of California to cause cancer" or words to that effect....are they better-informed there? stay as away as you can from all of it---gam you wrote: You might be surprised at how few chemicals are known - or > even "suspected" - to be carcinogenic.=A0 And it also depends on whose > definition of "carcinogen" you're using.=A0 In the USA, for example, > several federal agencies rely on the International Agency for Research > on Cancer (IARC) classifications.=A0>> Benzene = yes.=A0 It's one of > the few chemicals actually known to be carcinogenic.>> Xylene, I don't > think so, but I'd have to check.=A0 Toluene, also not so sure.=A0>> > The big problem with most of the volatile organics is acute > toxicity.=A0 Organic solvents dissolve lipids.=A0 As such they can > cause central nervous system damage and have affects on target organs > - e.g., kidney, liver, etc.=A0>> And there's simple overexposure > causing you to essentially become "drunk" from the vapors. >> None of them are good for you, and you'd have to be exposed > to a LOT to die right away.=A0 Basically it's a good idea to keep > exposure as low as you can.=A0 Common sense protection is to wear > gloves (these all will de-fat your skin), wear eye protection, use in > a well-ventilated area (outdoors), keep your face away from the stuff, > and if you're going to use a lot of the stuff or do any spraying, wear > a properly-fitting respirator with organic vapor cartridges.=A0>> Oh > yeah - methanol is poisonus - and it absorbs quickly and readily > through your lungs, mucous membranes and skin. >> Funny thing is, most people don't understand how dangerous > gasoline actually is, because it seems like such a common, everday > thing.=A0 But it contains benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, xylene, and > other lovelies - in addition to having a flashpoint something like 50 > degrees below 0 > F.=A0=A0=A0 >> - Bill T. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool > aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage, > value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of > traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools. >> To change your subscription options: > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools >> To read the FAQ: > http://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html >> OldTools archive: http://swingleydev.com/archive/ OldTools@r... > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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214102 | Philip Yarra <philip.yarra@i...> | 2011‑02‑24 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
> :: Here's an MSDS for a slow reducer, contains > :: > :: *Toluene > :: Light Aliphatic Solvent > :: Naphtha > :: Acetone > :: *2-Butoxyethanol > :: *Mixed Xylenes > :: *Methanol > :: *Ethylbenzene In addition to going bang, aren't some of these fairly carcinogenic, or carry other serious health risks? Fairly sure about xylene, and I have a feeling same might be true of toluene and benzenes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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214233 | scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> | 2011‑02‑27 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
> > Funny thing is, most people don't understand how dangerous gasoline actually is, This is so true. The only thing there ever was tame about gasoline, is that we are used to it. Its more toxic and enormously more explosive that hardly anybody realizes. Try working at a gas station for 6 months. Pretty soon you will be figuring out how to get upwind and dreading that next car pulling in anyway. Nobody needs to tell you about enamel reducer. If you get a good strong whiff of it?? well It only takes one. There are a few things nobody needs to tell you are bad. That old dielectric oil they used to use in transformers and pumps? Lacquer thinner? A piece of shell or bone pressed onto a spinning grinding wheel? Some things smell so awful they will just back you out the door, all by themselves. yours Scott ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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214240 | James Thompson <jdthompsonca@s...> | 2011‑02‑27 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
So true! I take a magnesium capsule every day to keep me regular, because my eating habits are so horribly bad. The magnesium causes huge amounts of gas in my gut, Hell, I could generate electricity. :>) On Feb 27, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Mike Siemsen wrote: > Never be down wind of old guys on a porch! Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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214234 | Mike Siemsen <mike@g...> | 2011‑02‑27 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
Never be down wind of old guys on a porch! Mike On 02/27/2011 11:22 AM, scott grandstaff wrote: > >> Funny thing is, most people don't understand how dangerous gasoline >> actually is, > > This is so true. The only thing there ever was tame about gasoline, > is that we are used to it. > Its more toxic and enormously more explosive that hardly anybody > realizes. Try working at a gas station for 6 months. Pretty soon you > will be figuring out how to get upwind and dreading that next car > pulling in anyway. > > Nobody needs to tell you about enamel reducer. > If you get a good strong whiff of it?? well > It only takes one. > > There are a few things nobody needs to tell you are bad. > > That old dielectric oil they used to use in transformers and pumps? > Lacquer thinner? > A piece of shell or bone pressed onto a spinning grinding wheel? > > Some things smell so awful they will just back you out the door, all > by themselves. > yours Scott > > ******************************* > Scott Grandstaff > Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 > scottg@s... > http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/ > http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool > aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage, > value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of > traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools. > > To change your subscription options: > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools > > To read the FAQ: > http://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html > > OldTools archive: http://swingleydev.com/archive/ > > OldTools@r... > http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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214235 | Mike Siemsen <mike@g...> | 2011‑02‑27 | Re: RE: cleaning oilstones |
Never be down wind of old guys on a porch! Mike On 02/27/2011 11:22 AM, scott grandstaff wrote: > Some things smell so awful they will just back you out the door, all > by themselves. > yours Scott > > ******************************* > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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