Welcome to the porch Adam, I have it on the best authority that the
bottom of the slope is the territory of that most lamentable branch of
Galootdom the saw hoarder. Some claim to be 'collectors' but alas it is
in reality an evil and compulsive habit, an addiction with no relief. Be
wary don't go there.
Oh, by the way, have I mentioned the etched logo on the "ARROWHEAD" saw
I cleaned up recently?  It's an arrow head point down, with wings, like
a bird. Go figure that!  Honest,  I don't have a problem, I just have a
lot of saws.  ;^)

Marvin Paisner
Kootenay Lake,  BC  

Adam Haughey wrote:
> 

> So, umm, just how far down does this slope go anyway??
> 
> Adam
>

> So, umm, just how far down does this slope go anyway??
> 

No one knows for sure.  

Gary

Well, time for me to introduce myself.
 
I have been lurking here for a short while now, and I really enjoy the
peace and guiet here compared to the p*w*r t**l forums.

I think like most people here I started out using a lot of tailed
apprentices. Almost all of them I inherited from my dad, so I doubt I’ll
ever part with them, but I find myself using them less and less. I
purchased my first hand plane almost a year ago, and that was all it took.
I didn’t really slide down the slope, I ran the whole way down (and
enjoyed every step so far)

I was one of those who thought that to do good work you had to have
expensive jigs and p*w*r t**ls. But I realized this year that if you
develop and apply a little skill, you can do work just as good, and get
much more satisfaction from it.  I cut my first practice dovetails this
weekend, and the knowledge that I don’t have to spend hundreds of dollars
to do joinery like this pretty much made my weekend. Especially since I
was able to saw them out with the bowsaw I finished last month using stock
that I prepared with nothing but hand planes (yeah, it was a fun weekend…)

I think the excitement from hand tools for me is finding new was to
dispense with p*w*r t**l usage where practical. Being able to do more with
less..

So, umm, just how far down does this slope go anyway??

Adam

> So, umm, just how far down does this slope go anyway??
> Adam

No one knows for sure.  
Gary

Tell me about it...

Hi Adam, Welcome!

I think the slope is waxed Ultra High Density Polyethylene sprayed with 
cooking oil, and the slope is approximately the same as the slope in 
space near a monster black hole.

I think you will be beyond  the physics we know before the end of the 
slope is discovered.

Dean Chesterman
Hand tools don't wake the baby sleeping on the work bench.

Adam Haughey wrote:

>So, umm, just how far down does this slope go anyway??
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>Adam
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Well, glad to hear that I wont be hitting the bottom anytime soon, then..
:)

Ive been racing down the slope for a while, and Ive picked up a bit of
speed.

"YARROW, GARY" wrote:

> > So, umm, just how far down does this slope go anyway??
> >
>
> No one knows for sure.
>
> Gary
>

But we suspect it goes all the way to Hell.  Old toolers who make it
that far get to spend eternity sharpening the Devil's pitchforks. :^)

Bob

At 01:40 PM 12/3/02 -0700, Dean Chesterman wrote:
>I think the slope is waxed Ultra High Density Polyethylene sprayed with 
>cooking oil, and the slope is approximately the same as the slope in space 
>near a monster black hole.
>
>I think you will be beyond  the physics we know before the end of the 
>slope is discovered.

Boy ain't that the truth.  Although with one exception my collecting 
fetishes have gotten a lot more selective these days.

>Hand tools don't wake the baby sleeping on the work bench.

Lucky man...I ain't room for a mouse sleeping on the workbench these 
days......much less a kid.

Matter of fact..I keep a piece of 2ft long 2x4 laying around that I can 
clamp the wide side in the vice in case I need some additional workspace...

Tony

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Adam -

You asked:
> So, umm, just how far down does this slope go anyway??

Down? That's just a figure of speech. Actually the path takes you up a 
series of ascending steps. Think of a grand staircase.

JN

Adam asked:


"So, umm, just how far down does this slope go anyway??"

Actually the slope appears to have many plateaus... Lets see there are
woodworkers of all flavors, leather workers, machinists, toolmakers,
blacksmiths, clock makers, and probably a whole lot of other facets I
haven't mentioned, all of which can lead you down other directions of
the slope.  Usually just about the time you start to get satisfied with
your tool hoard you find a new path... :)

Best Regards,
John

John, who just took possession of a rebuilt Singer 29-4 Patcher
http://www.wideopenwest.com/~jjblack/Singer29.gif and is ordering
leather to make custom chisel rolls, slick sheathes, etc...:) hey what
the heck another slope....:)

-----Original Message-----
From: John J Black [mailto:jjblack@w...]

Adam asked:


"So, umm, just how far down does this slope go anyway??"

Actually the slope appears to have many plateaus... 

Best Regards,
John
----------------------------

I always thought of the slope as a vortex.  Sort of an oldtool Charybdis
sucking us inevitably down into it's maw.  We galoots are a failed Odysseus
that set a doomed course instead of successfully navigating around it.
Those plateaus of which Mr. Black speaks are merely layers of the tight
concentric spirals in this whirlpool of rust and disastrous obsession.  The
draw seems mild at first, as if it could easily be escaped (HA!), but as you
get closer to the center you are clearly trapped and you keep slamming into
the other flotsam and jetsam with increasing regularity, "OW!  What was
that?  Cool a surgeon amputation saw.  And look a powder horn I could sell
to Todd Hughes.  SMACK!  Is that a tiny machinist lathe or a watch makers
lathe?  BOOM!  Oooch, that smarts but I can't pass up that tinsmith anvil.
Nor that complete ship's caulker set in a lovely tool box.  WHAM!!! Is this
old lady REALLY selling a Barnes Hand Cranked Ripsaw for $300?!!!!  But I
don't have room for it... So what!......... I sure am getting dizzy spinning
like this......."

Chris Schwartz...  Wheaton MD
Stealth Galoot #97  FOYBIPO, FOYBEVCO
www.bustedtruss.com 

paul womack wrote:
>John North wrote:
>>>So, umm, just how far down does this slope go anyway??
>> Down? That's just a figure of speech. Actually the path takes you up a 
>> series of ascending steps. Think of a grand staircase.
>Like the one in "A Matter of Life and Death"?

Actually, M. C. Escher comes to mind:

http://www.worldofescher.com/gallery/AscendingDescendingLg.html

N

John North wrote:
> Adam -
> 
> You asked:
> 
>>So, umm, just how far down does this slope go anyway??
> 
> 
> Down? That's just a figure of speech. Actually the path takes you up a 
> series of ascending steps. Think of a grand staircase.

Like the one in "A Matter of Life and Death"?

       BugBear

Nichael Cramer wrote:
> paul womack wrote:
> 
>>John North wrote:
>>
>>>>So, umm, just how far down does this slope go anyway??
>>>
>>>Down? That's just a figure of speech. Actually the path takes you up a 
>>>series of ascending steps. Think of a grand staircase.
>>
>>Like the one in "A Matter of Life and Death"?
> 
> 
> Actually, M. C. Escher comes to mind:
> 
> http://www.worldofescher.com/gallery/AscendingDescendingLg.html
>

"The slope goes ever on" (quite topical, I feel)

       BugBear

Marvin Paisner wrote:
> 
> Oh, by the way, have I mentioned the etched logo on the "ARROWHEAD" saw
> I cleaned up recently?  It's an arrow head point down, with wings, like
> a bird. Go figure that!  Honest,  I don't have a problem, I just have a
> lot of saws.  ;^)
> 
> Marvin Paisner  [...]

Yeah, the pointy arrowhead is pointing to the pointy part... the part 
that goes down... threw the board, when you flap yer wings like'a bird, 
it just flys..

Oh, maybe I should'a just said: "I SAW that coming..."  :-o)

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At 09:00 AM 12/4/2002 +0000, BugBear wrote:
>John North wrote:
>>Adam -
>>You asked:
>>
>>>So, umm, just how far down does this slope go anyway??
>>
>>Down? That's just a figure of speech. Actually the path takes you up a 
>>series of ascending steps. Think of a grand staircase.
>
>Like the one in "A Matter of Life and Death"?

Or the famous cross-linked staircases of M. C. Escher