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106631 | "PAUL OLTMANNS" <oldtoolnut@m...> | 2002‑05‑12 | unknown auger |
I have an auger bit with a manufacturer I don't recognize. It is marked FORD PAT 1891 and then the stamp is light but I believe it says HOLYOKE. It is a single spur hollow center style with a medium fast screw pitch.... Thanks for your help, The Old Tool Nut Please Visit The Old Tool Nut Journal Web Site http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/zaire/91/ Also Visit: The MSN Antique Tools Community http://communities.msn.com/AntiqueTools _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com |
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106640 | "sushandel" <sushandel@m...> | 2002‑05‑13 | Re: unknown auger |
Paul, You have a bit from the Holyoke (Mass) Mfg Co (I think that's the name). The auger was probably based on patent 461,897 by Augustus Ford (10/27/91) for a single twist auger bit with one "floor" lip. These bits are not too uncommon here in Massachusetts. In fact, I have a nearly complete set of nice ones down in the basement. Curiously, the EAIA DAT seems to be silent on this company, even though the auger bits were probably produced before 1900. Of course, I could be reading in wrong--that has happened before. Best regards, Sandy Moss Tools for sale list at: http://www.sydnassloot.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL OLTMANNS" |
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106646 | reeinelson@w... (Bob Nelson) | 2002‑05‑13 | Re: unknown auger |
Hi Paul & Sandy & All, Paul asked about an auger bit marked HOLYOKE and FORD PATENT 1891. Sandy attributed that to a Holyoke (MA) Mfg. Co. and commented that the DAT says nothing about that company. That naturally stirred my juices, so I took a look myself. It took a bit of tracking to get there, but I eventually found a Ford Auger Bit Co. which was also reported as the Ford Bit Co. They worked in Holyoke, MA, from (assumed) ca. 1891. One source says they only worked until 1910, but another shows their bits still being sold in 1914. Some other company may have taken them over in 1910 and continued to use the name; the DAT says that may have been Millers Falls, but maybe it was really Sandy's Holyoke Mfg. Co.? The DAT info came from one tool marked as Paul said, five primary source documents and four secondary source documents. What the five primary sources were is not specifically known, but they were probably directories, advertisements, etc., from within their working years. That many original sources conveys a pretty high level of certainty that the name was as cited for the years shown. The DAT does not show the full paptent date cited by Sandy - only the 1891 from the marking. Best Wishes, Bob |
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106653 | "Chuck Zitur" <czitur@a...> | 2002‑05‑13 | Re: unknown auger |
hI all Sandy mentioned Lewis bits and it stirred my memory that I had looked at the 1886/87 Ken Robert's Millers Falls reprint and at that point they were selling "Lewis Patent Single Spur Bits" but by 1916 Millers Falls had purchased Ford Auger Bit Co of Holyoke. I have seen many of these marked Millers Falls and Ford w patent date. Chuck Zitur Billings, MT |
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106647 | "sushandel" <sushandel@m...> | 2002‑05‑13 | Re: unknown auger |
Well, I guess its nice to know that Bob Nelson can get "his juices stirred" even as retirement homes loom on the horizon. :-) > Bob reported, "It took a bit of tracking to get there, but I > eventually found a Ford Auger Bit Co. which was also reported as the > Ford Bit Co. They worked in Holyoke, MA, from (assumed) ca. 1891. One > source says they only worked until 1910, but another shows their bits > still being sold in 1914." (snip) "The DAT does not show the full > paptent date cited by Sandy - only the 1891 from the marking.". Bob's research stirred my own somnolent early morning juices enough to stumble downstairs, and root out some of the Ford pattern bits that I have down there. What I found is essentially that Bob (as usual) is correct, and that my memory of a "Holyoke Mfg. Co" seems to be in error. But after arraying a number of my Ford patent bits, and some similar ones, some interesting things arise (don't they always when you look critically at tools?) First, my earlier report of the complete 1891 patent date comes from Jim Price's book on bitstock tools, and that reference notes Ford's location when the patent was awarded as New Haven. At my side I have eight auger bits that are marked with Ford's name. Five conform to the patent for a "single twist auger bit with 1 floor lip". The bits are distinctive, having a single twist with very heavy sidewalls. Imagine an open circular staircase with wide, flat risers. This is quite different from the narrow tapered risers in the typical Jennings pattern double twist bit. In the Ford pattern, imagine looking at the working end of the bit so you are looking directly down the length of the lead screw. If you orient the single cutting edge so that it points to 12 o'clock, the single spur or "floor lip" is centered at about 2 o'clock. This is true for three of the eight bits. All three are marked, "The Ford Bit. Pat. Oct. 27, 1891." I regard these as the earliest of the bits I have. Note that there is no Holyoke location given, and the patent date is complete. Of the remaining five bits, an additional two are marked, "Ford Pat. 1891 Holyoke U.S.A." A closer look at these shows that they have two cutting edges (not one), and there are two spurs, one at about 2 o'clock, and the other at 7. A third example also shows the two cutting edge arrangement, but it is marked, "Ford Pat. 1891 Hudson." Finally, the remaining two bits (of the eight) are marked only, "Ford, Holyoke U.S.A." And these have but a single cutting edge, and the lip is located right adjacent to the edge, essentially at 12:30. Clearly there is considerable variation here, and not all of it conforms very closely to Ellsworth Ford's original patent. While on the subject of single twist bits, I have another group of them that are very similar to the Ford pattern. But these are marked with the patent date of June 1, 1869 of patent number 90,759 awarded to Henry C. Lewis, also of New Haven, Conn. The patent is for "auger bit with one lip, one spur." Three of these bits differ only from the Ford pattern by having the single spur located at 6 o'clock rather than 2 o'clock. A fourth bit with the same feature is marked only "Atlas Tool Co." The patent records assembled by Jim Price show another patent for an "auger bit with one lip, one spur" that was awarded on the same day, June 1, 1869 (#90,755) to the brace maker, William A. Ives, also of New Haven. I don't have an example of this bit, but it seems remarkable that New Haven was host to three patents for very similar bits over a span of 22 years. Best regards, Sandy |
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106701 | Randy Roeder <roeder.randall@m...> | 2002‑05‑14 | Re: unknown auger |
the DAT says that may have been Millers Falls Hi all, It was definitely purchased by Millers Falls. In 1916, the Millers Falls Company took advantage of an opportunity to "purchase outright the stock, machinery, good will and any other assets" of the Ford Auger Bit Company of Holyoke, Massachusetts. Production was moved to the Millers Falls plant. The next several catalogs after the purchase contained notice of it. The purchase put M-F into the actual manufacture of auger bits for the first time. Ford Auger Bit manufactured a number of different types of bits, so the Millers Falls Company was able to offer a fairly complete line right from the start. The Ford Auger Bit Company established its reputation on its manufacture of Ellsworth Ford's 1891 patent for a single lip, single twist auger bit. Single twist augers (ie. with a hollow center) hand been around practically forever, but Ford made some improvements in manufacture and and design. Ford's single lip bits were well-suited to general carpentry because they cut fast and worked fairly well in wood with grain irregularities. There will will be a longish paragraph on Ford Auger Bit when the expanded history section of the website for Millers Falls collectors is released in June. It will be 1200 percent larger than the current history section and include somewhere on the order of 60 illustratons. I'll drop a line to the list when it goes live. Randy Roeder Repaint houses, not old tools. |
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