Hello all,
    I signed up for this group because I found myself skipping over 95-98%
of the discussions on woodworking.rec, such as "Delta 45324545 vs. the
Grizzly 6345345 table saw, or which router bit to use for whatever purpose,
and how to set the blade in a jointer (a Delta not a Stanley #7).  They
simply didn't apply to me, and I could not contribute to them.  I have been
reading the archived posts from this group and I found them very helpful and
cordial.  I asked on the woodworking.wreck group if anyone had information
about the OldTools mailing list, and got one reply from BugBear (Thanks!)
Anyway, a bit about me.......

    My name is Jonathan Lukens.  I am a 28 y.o. college student at Rocky
Mountain College in Billings, MT, though I was born and raised in
Philadelphia, and lived for a time in Burlington, Vermont.  My major is
Philosophy, with a minor in classics (Latin and Greek, though my Greek is
FAR better than my Latin).  I have been woodworking since I was rather
young, as my father has a shop that occupies a 2 1/2 car garage, and
probably uses enough power to light up a city block (he had to add a 3-phase
service to the garage).  I on the other hand discovered the joy of hand
tools about 6 years ago.  I own a few "tools with tails" (a drill, a sander,
and a skil wormdrive), but have not used them in quite some time.  I have
the start of a good plane collection, mostly Stanley, as well as an
accompniament of Disston saws, Irwin bits, and Stanley braces.  I'm on my
way............  The house I rent has a small garage in which to work.  My
furniture designs are generally an Arts and Crafts/ Shaker highbread, though
I tend to break up the traditional rectalinear designs with long, gentle,
horizontal archs.

By virtue of the posts I have read thus far, I fear that I do not have a lot
to add to the group.  The knowledge of old tools and woodworking that all of
you possess far exceeds my own.  I ask your forgiveness in advance if I ask
too many questions.  If any of you need need help translating some Greek, or
need to know which philosopher said what, or for God knows what reason you
want to know the differences between Ionic and Attic Greek, perhaps I can be
of service.  I will contribute in any way I can.  My thanks to all who have
put this mailing list together and to all who contribute; I have a feeling I
will learn a lot.

-Jonathan

Jonathan M. Lukens scribes for the "hoi polloi"(from the Greek, literally
 "buncha galoots"):

>My major is
>Philosophy, with a minor in classics (Latin and Greek, though my Greek is
>FAR better than my Latin).

A Man of Letters.  Welcome.

You'll find this to be *the* best mailing list on the Internet, bar none.

I am particularly appreciative of the Gathered Galoots this week, as one
of my other mailing lists has spent the week debating, raucously, whether
it is unbearably rude to post in ALL CAPS, if you are vision impaired.
Well over 200 messages on that off-topic topic, alone, this week.

Can anyone think of why one would need *two* Stanley #40 (metallic scrub, 
Jeff) planes?  I find myself with an embarrassing surfeit, having bought
one from Tony Seo, and having another drop in my lap, as it were.
 
Kirk Hays
Cedar Mills, Orygun
Cruffler Galoot #1

>>Can anyone think of why one would need *two* Stanley #40 (metallic scrub,
>>Jeff) planes?  I find myself with an embarrassing surfeit, having bought
>>one from Tony Seo, and having another drop in my lap, as it were.
>
>Well from what I understand there are only 5 variations in the type 
>study...you are 2/5's if the way to having a full accumulation..no?

Except that these both seem to be the same, late
variant with rosewood handles.  Lotsa blade left
on both, too.

Incidently, I haven't been able to pry the one out of the
elder GIT's hands, so that may be how I avoid having 
a collection of #40 scrubs - one is hers.

She's already reduced a 10x10 inch 4/4 birch board to 2x10, and
a big pile of curlies.

Kirk Hays
Cedar Mills, Orygun
Cruffler Galoot #1

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Jonathan wrote:

By virtue of the posts I have read thus far, I fear that I do not have a lot
to add to the group.  The knowledge of old tools and woodworking that all of
you possess far exceeds my own.  I ask your forgiveness in advance if I ask
too many questions.  If any of you need need help translating some Greek, or
need to know which philosopher said what, or for God knows what reason you
want to know the differences between Ionic and Attic Greek, perhaps I can be
of service.  I will contribute in any way I can.  My thanks to all who have
put this mailing list together and to all who contribute; I have a feeling I
will learn a lot.

Well Jonathan welcome and jump right in there are very few ex-perts around
here and as far as asking questions there are no dumb ones except the one
that wasn't asked.  Just ignore some of our temperamental types down here
under the porch.  Some of 'em just have been down here too long and their
joints are getting pretty sore!  We're all learning everyday and everyone
has to start somewhere.  In many cases I've learned what I thought I
originally learned about a topic the second time it came up here...or
something to that effect.

Welcome again.

Best Wishes,

Herb Lapp
Mechanicsburg, PA 

"Better to be thought the fool for a few moments by asking a question, than
to not ask it and actually suffer it for a lifetime."

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>If you find yourself sleepless, and drawn into some sort of an ethical or
>logical conundrum concerning the possesion of two #40's, I just want you to
>know I'm here for you man.  I can help.  Send the extra to me for "safe
>keeping."  I bet you'll feel better.  Everything will be allright.

I've already received several justifications from rightly
concerned galoots about how to justify the possession
of up to five(5) #40 scrub planes.  From that, I can extrapolate
to 20 or 30 without even trying...

This truly is the support group from Hell.

Thanks to all for the slight push needed to keep me 
headed down the slope.

Pickin' up speed...

Kirk Hays
Cedar Mills, Orygun
Cruffler Galoot #1
"Luge?  Ha!  Watch that galoot go by..."

> Can anyone think of why one would need *two* Stanley #40 (metallic scrub,
> Jeff) planes?  I find myself with an embarrassing surfeit, having bought
> one from Tony Seo, and having another drop in my lap, as it were.
>
> Kirk Hays
> Cedar Mills, Orygun
> Cruffler Galoot #1

If you find yourself sleepless, and drawn into some sort of an ethical or
logical conundrum concerning the possesion of two #40's, I just want you to
know I'm here for you man.  I can help.  Send the extra to me for "safe
keeping."  I bet you'll feel better.  Everything will be allright.

-Jonathan

P.S. Thanks for the welcoming email.

>> Incidently, I haven't been able to pry the one out of the
>> elder GIT's hands, so that may be how I avoid having
>> a collection of #40 scrubs - one is hers.
>> 
>> She's already reduced a 10x10 inch 4/4 birch board to 2x10, and
>> a big pile of curlies.
>
>Wait a minute, Kirk.  Are training the elder GIT to use a scrub plane on
the
>EDGE of a board? 

She's more of a carver than a woodworker, and she was fooling
around with the Emmert and the board, and the #40 was laying there,
and...well, you can see where this is going.

The object was really the curlies, I fear - she discovered that pushing them
onto the end of a mechanical pencil, then letting go would shoot them
across the garage...

I didn't want to spoil the spontaneous interest, so I let it go...my bad.

> This is clearly the wrong tool for th job and you need to
>get a #8 for this purpose.  Actually, get the #8 and you'll find that it is
>too big for a small galoot, so then you get a #7, and if that is still too
>big, go for a #6.  Before you know it you will be the caretaker of 2
>collections.

You're absolutely right.  Should I let her use the LN #8 or the Stanley Type
11
#8?  Yep, I have both.  She can handle a #8, as she just got her
blackbelt in Tae Kwon Do, and is an absolute rager on the boys when they 
do full-contact sparring.  They fear her, and she's plenty strong to manage
a #8, IOW.  Dad's most happy to see boys cringe in front of his little girl,
too ;-).

For #7's, I'll have to pull one out of the pile and fettle it up for her...

Which reminds me, I need to sharpen both #6's...

>Does this make you go twice as fast down the slope?

Faster, Faster, Galoot!  Rust hunt, rust hunt!

Kirk Hays
Cedar Mills, Orygun
Cruffler Galoot #1

Jonathan asks:
"Can anyone think of why one would need *two* Stanley #40 (metallic
scrub, 
Jeff) planes?  I find myself with an embarrassing surfeit, having bought
one from Tony Seo, and having another drop in my lap, as it were."

I think that's obvious: One set course, and one set *really* course! ;-)
Cheers,
Wes
P.S. Don't forget you'll need two 40 1/2s too.

Kirk Hays  wrote:
> Can anyone think of why one would need *two* Stanley #40 (metallic scrub,
> Jeff) planes?  I find myself with an embarrassing surfeit, having bought
> one from Tony Seo, and having another drop in my lap, as it were.

Backup, of course. I can't count how many mangled 40s I've seen for sale, so
clearly they must be fragile. The instant one breaks down, you can pick up
the second one and keep on going.

:)
Pete, in St. Paul

At 02:11 PM 2/15/02 -0800, Kirk Hays wrote:

>Can anyone think of why one would need *two* Stanley #40 (metallic scrub,
>Jeff) planes?  I find myself with an embarrassing surfeit, having bought
>one from Tony Seo, and having another drop in my lap, as it were.
>

Well from what I understand there are only 5 variations in the type 
study...you are 2/5's if the way to having a full accumulation..no?

Tony (been a long week..)

___________________________________________________________________
       Parental Woodworking 101---
         NO,  SWORDFIGHTING WITH MY MARKING AWLS ISN'T COOL!
___________________________________________________________________

 Kirk wrote:

> Incidently, I haven't been able to pry the one out of the
> elder GIT's hands, so that may be how I avoid having
> a collection of #40 scrubs - one is hers.
> 
> She's already reduced a 10x10 inch 4/4 birch board to 2x10, and
> a big pile of curlies.

Wait a minute, Kirk.  Are training the elder GIT to use a scrub plane on the
EDGE of a board?  This is clearly the wrong tool for th job and you need to
get a #8 for this purpose.  Actually, get the #8 and you'll find that it is
too big for a small galoot, so then you get a #7, and if that is still too
big, go for a #6.  Before you know it you will be the caretaker of 2
collections.

Does this make you go twice as fast down the slope?

Ed Minch

Kirk wrote:

>Can anyone think of why one would need *two* Stanley #40 (metallic scrub, 
>Jeff) planes?  I find myself with an embarrassing surfeit, having bought
>one from Tony Seo, and having another drop in my lap, as it were.

You mean you've been struggling along with just ONE #40? These things are 
made of cast arn, aren't they? One drop to the floor and you're back to 
thicknessing with your teeth or whatever the heck you were using before. 
I also hear the lever caps on those things sometimes break. Of course you 
need two. This is known as backup.

I, on the other hand, have a woodie scrub plane (ECE) which would merely 
be bruised by a fall to the floor. Not that I wouldn't snag another one 
if it fell into my lap.
****************************
Tom Price (TomPrice@a...)
The Support Group From Hell Is Here When You Need Us
The Galoot's Progress Old Tools site is at:
http://homepage.mac.com/galoot_9/galtprog.html

Kirk,

Do you actually only have two?  I can't believe a galoot could get along 
with only two.  I just checked the shop and found four #40s, an ECE and 
a Peugeot Freres .  Each has a different radius on the iron (isn't that 
a good enough reason to have multiples?).  

Frank (Fort Worth Armadillo Works) - who doesn't count the #40 1/2 that 
stays in the house most of the time

Kirk Hays wrote:

>
>Can anyone think of why one would need *two* Stanley #40 (metallic scrub, 
>Jeff) planes?  I find myself with an embarrassing surfeit, having bought
>one from Tony Seo, and having another drop in my lap, as it were.
>

>Kirk wrote:
>>Can anyone think of why one would need *two* Stanley #40 (metallic scrub, 
>>Jeff) planes?  I find myself with an embarrassing surfeit, having bought
>>one from Tony Seo, and having another drop in my lap, as it were.

Two planes....

Two hands....

Coincidence?

At 07:46 PM 2/15/2002 -0500, Minch wrote:
>  Kirk wrote:
>
> > Incidently, I haven't been able to pry the one out of the
> > elder GIT's hands, so that may be how I avoid having
> > a collection of #40 scrubs - one is hers.
> >
> > She's already reduced a 10x10 inch 4/4 birch board to 2x10, and
> > a big pile of curlies.
>
>
>Wait a minute, Kirk.  Are training the elder GIT to use a scrub plane on the
>EDGE of a board?  This is clearly the wrong tool for th job and you need to
>get a #8 for this purpose.  Actually, get the #8 and you'll find that it is
>too big for a small galoot, so then you get a #7, and if that is still too
>big, go for a #6.  Before you know it you will be the caretaker of 2
>collections.

Obviously the man and his GIT will need a nice little 5 1/4 if the 6 proves 
to be too much.

Steve T. Jones
Kokomo IN
stjones@k...

At 04:56 PM 2/15/2002 -0700, Jonathan M. Lukens wrote:
> > Can anyone think of why one would need *two* Stanley #40 (metallic scrub,
> > Jeff) planes?  I find myself with an embarrassing surfeit, having bought
> > one from Tony Seo, and having another drop in my lap, as it were.
> >
> > Kirk Hays
> > Cedar Mills, Orygun
> > Cruffler Galoot #1
>
>If you find yourself sleepless, and drawn into some sort of an ethical or
>logical conundrum concerning the possesion of two #40's, I just want you to
>know I'm here for you man.  I can help.  Send the extra to me for "safe
>keeping."  I bet you'll feel better.  Everything will be allright.

This young 'un catches on quick, don't he?

Steve Jones
Kokomo IN

Hey, I'm only new too, been here about two weeks.
I just listen mainly and learn, lots of pleasant,
funny, knowledgeable paople here.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan M. Lukens
> 
> By virtue of the posts I have read thus far, I fear that I do not 
> have a lot
> to add to the group.  The knowledge of old tools and woodworking 
> that all of
> you possess far exceeds my own.  I ask your forgiveness in 
> advance if I ask
> too many questions. 

Kirk Hays wrote:
> 
> >>Can anyone think of why one would need *two* Stanley #40 (metallic scrub,
> >>Jeff) planes?  I find myself with an embarrassing surfeit, having bought
> >>one from Tony Seo, and having another drop in my lap, as it were.
> >
> >Well from what I understand there are only 5 variations in the type
> >study...you are 2/5's if the way to having a full accumulation..no?
> 
> Except that these both seem to be the same, late
> variant with rosewood handles.  Lotsa blade left
> on both, too.

Well, obviously, you actually *NEED* 2 examples of each type.
One (mint) for the diplsay case in the lounge, and one (less
than mint) to use.

So that's a clear argument for 10 planes.

	BugBear

At 15:14 15/02/02 -0800, Kirk Hays wrote:
>
>>>Can anyone think of why one would need *two* Stanley #40 (metallic
>>>scrub, Jeff) planes? I find myself with an embarrassing surfeit,
>>>having bought one from Tony Seo, and having another drop in my lap,
>>>as it were.
>>
>>Well from what I understand there are only 5 variations in the type
>>study...you are 2/5's if the way to having a full accumulation..no?
>
>Except that these both seem to be the same, late variant with rosewood
>handles. Lotsa blade left on both, too.
>
>Incidently, I haven't been able to pry the one out of the elder GIT's
>hands, so that may be how I avoid having a collection of #40 scrubs -
>one is hers.
>
>She's already reduced a 10x10 inch 4/4 birch board to 2x10, and a big
>pile of curlies.
>

My GITs favour the scrub too. Those full width shavings [on the other
planes] are too much hard work.

Jaime Metcher