https://www.flickr.com/photos/10735775@N.../33199270118/

About 4 inches long, the block on the end has two different sized holes at
90 degrees to each other, and both the narrow end and the wide end shows
signs of impacts, though that could just be ratting around in the tool
drawer where I found it.

Any ideas?  I'm guessing a bit for a metal lathe?


-- 
Michael

Michael,

I think it’s a Rivet Set, a bit different than the commonly-seen type, but for
the same purpose.

This may be for the type of brass or copper rivets which are used with conical
washers known as “roves.”

I’m not 100% positive on this ID.

John Ruth

Sent from my iPhone

Hmmm....Rivet set. that would explain all the denting on the flat faces.
The 90 degree opposed holes are, guesstimating here, 1/2 inch and 3/4 inch
in diameter.

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 10:42 AM John Ruth  wrote:

> Michael,
>
> I think it’s a Rivet Set, a bit different than the commonly-seen type, but
> for the same purpose.
>
> This may be for the type of brass or copper rivets which are used with
> conical washers known as “roves.”
>
> I’m not 100% positive on this ID.
>
> John Ruth
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 12, 2019, at 1:15 PM, Michael Suwczinsky 
> wrote:
> >
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/10735775@N.../33199270118/
> >
> > About 4 inches long, the block on the end has two different sized holes
> at
> > 90 degrees to each other, and both the narrow end and the wide end shows
> > signs of impacts, though that could just be ratting around in the tool
> > drawer where I found it.
> >
> > Any ideas?  I'm guessing a bit for a metal lathe?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Michael
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-- 
Michael

Yes, there is a bit of overlap between the two holes where they cross,
somewhere between a quarter and a third of the circle that makes up the
larger hole.

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 12:42 PM Ed Minch  wrote:

> Michael
>
> Does one hole overlap the other like one pin might lock in the other pin?
>
> Ed Minch
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2019, at 1:22 PM, Michael Suwczinsky 
> wrote:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/10735775@N.../33199270118/
>
> About 4 inches long, the block on the end has two different sized holes at
> 90 degrees to each other, and both the narrow end and the wide end shows
> signs of impacts, though that could just be ratting around in the tool
> drawer where I found it.
>
> Any ideas?  I'm guessing a bit for a metal lathe?
>
>
>

-- 
Michael

Michael,

In light of your answer to Ed’s question, my perception of this item is shifting
from “Rivet Set” toward “Machinery Part,” even though I did see a response from
another Porch dweller that indicated he also thought it was a Rivet Set. If that
member is positive, then what follows is probably just wrong.

The technique of locking a machine part onto a shaft with an off-center cross-
drilled pin is well known.  A taper reamer is often used to taper the cross-hole
such that a tapered pin can be backed out to release the parts.  (There are
standards for tapered pins in Machinery’s Handbook.)

If the small hole is slightly tapered and the large hole isn’t, then it’s not a
Rivet Set, but rather a machinery part.

The holes are rather large for a Rivet Set, to begin with.

John Ruth

I didn't even think to look at the holes for taper. Normally I'd have
thrown this thing in my bag for regular perusal of a new whatsit, but I'm
trying to limit the bits of metal I carry on a daily basis,

I'll check it out when I get home and see if there's any taper that
conforms with Machinery standards.



On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 6:39 AM John Ruth  wrote:

> Michael,
>
> In light of your answer to Ed’s question, my perception of this item is
> shifting from “Rivet Set” toward “Machinery Part,” even though I did see a
> response from another Porch dweller that indicated he also thought it was a
> Rivet Set. If that member is positive, then what follows is probably just
> wrong.
>
> The technique of locking a machine part onto a shaft with an off-center
> cross-drilled pin is well known.  A taper reamer is often used to taper the
> cross-hole such that a tapered pin can be backed out to release the parts.
> (There are standards for tapered pins in Machinery’s Handbook.)
>
> If the small hole is slightly tapered and the large hole isn’t, then it’s
> not a Rivet Set, but rather a machinery part.
>
> The holes are rather large for a Rivet Set, to begin with.
>
> John Ruth
>
>
>

-- 
Michael

GGs and Michael Suwczinsky---I think you're on the right track, but the holes
might not taper. Some of the cycle adjusters on my surface grinder had a similar
aspect, locking a stop to a bar. In use, the locking pin would taper, having a
tapering 'flat' and a nut would pull the pin to lock the 'handle' on the shaft.
Whatever *yours* is, when you need one, there's nothing else that will work.
                            gluck widdat--gam in OlyWA/USA

        In case anyone's hearing a drive-by gloat, the machine's a Brown and
Sharp # 2, and the worst idea I ever had was buying it and bringing it home.


How horrible it is to have so many people killed!---And what a blessing one
cares for none of them!
Jane Austen 

    On Wednesday, February 13, 2019, 9:42:51 AM PST, Michael Suwczinsky
 wrote:
 
 I didn't even think to look at the holes for taper. Normally I'd have
thrown this thing in my bag for regular perusal of a new whatsit, but I'm
trying to limit the bits of metal I carry on a daily basis,

I'll check it out when I get home and see if there's any taper that
conforms with Machinery standards.



On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 6:39 AM John Ruth  wrote:

> Michael,
>
> In light of your answer to Ed’s question, my perception of this item is
> shifting from “Rivet Set” toward “Machinery Part,” even though I did see a
> response from another Porch dweller that indicated he also thought it was a
> Rivet Set. If that member is positive, then what follows is probably just
> wrong.
>
> The technique of locking a machine part onto a shaft with an off-center
> cross-drilled pin is well known.  A taper reamer is often used to taper the
> cross-hole such that a tapered pin can be backed out to release the parts.
> (There are standards for tapered pins in Machinery’s Handbook.)
>
> If the small hole is slightly tapered and the large hole isn’t, then it’s
> not a Rivet Set, but rather a machinery part.
>
> The holes are rather large for a Rivet Set, to begin with.
>
> John Ruth
>
>
>

-- 
Michael
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Gary invents a new sort of drive-by gloat in which one decries the object of
gloatation in a self-effacing manner:

>         In case anyone's hearing a drive-by gloat, the machine's a Brown and
Sharp # 2, and the worst idea I ever had was buying it and bringing it home.

Oh, yeah, sure Gary!  I’d bet you’ve been flattening the backs of chisels and
plane irons in a matter of minutes on that surface grinder instead of hours on
the silicon carbide paper!

Pits the size of lunar craters disappear, leaving a planar surface on a now-
flexible chisel.

Probably working your way up to an assault on a plane sole, just as soon as you
can figure out away to secure the irregular shape.

Yeah, no galoot ever needs a surface grinder, not even one powered by a
waterwheel.

John Ruth

> On Feb 13, 2019, at 8:38 PM, John Ruth  wrote:
> 
> Gary invents a new sort of drive-by gloat in which one decries the object of
gloatation in a self-effacing manner:
> 
>>        In case anyone's hearing a drive-by gloat, the machine's a Brown and
Sharp # 2, and the worst idea I ever had was buying it and bringing it home.
> 
> Oh, yeah, sure Gary!  I’d bet you’ve been flattening the backs of chisels and
plane irons in a matter of minutes on that surface grinder instead of hours on
the silicon carbide paper!
> 
> Pits the size of lunar craters disappear, leaving a planar surface on a now-
flexible chisel.
> 
> Probably working your way up to an assault on a plane sole, just as soon as
you can figure out away to secure the irregular shape.
> 
> Yeah, no galoot ever needs a surface grinder, not even one powered by a
waterwheel.


In another place and time, when I still worked for a living and lived on the
left coast, I  had a co-worker, another tool nut, who bought a surface grinder.
Stupid me (tee hee) let him practice on a few of my planes. The K3, K4 and K5
came out beautiful. The K4 1/2 was a rusty, pitted beast when I got it, but he
made it flat and square. The K7 was a difficult one — too big for the grinder.
So he ground the area ahead of the mouth, then turned it around and ground the
area after the mouth. Perfect. Hard to believe I have been using these planes
for more than 20 years now.

Bill