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266789 | Bill Webber <ol2lrus@v...> | 2018‑10‑15 | Gimlets? |
GGs, Still perusing my tool chest, I'm trying to learn what might have been stored in this little tray. http://billwebber.galootcentral.com/1809-029.JPG The tray goes with a till drawer containing drilling/boring tools. http://billwebber.galootcentral.com/1803-069.JPG I'm thinking gimlets. There are four recesses that look like they would be handles for gimlets, but there are places for 6 tools. So, while I thought I had a good idea, I'm perplexed by the lack of handle space for the other two tools. Any thoughts? I took a picture of the tray with some gimlet bits. http://billwebber.galootcentral.com/1809-030.JPG If you mentally turn the bits around, replace the auger chuck end with a wooden handle, you get an idea where I was going. It wouldn't take much to make gimlets out of these auger bits, but I still don't know what to put in the other two spaces. TIA Bill W. Nottingham, PA Woodworkers visit me at http://billwebber.galootcentral.com/ |
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266795 | Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> | 2018‑10‑15 | Re: Gimlets? |
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM Bill Webber |
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266797 | Bill Webber <ol2lrus@v...> | 2018‑10‑15 | Re: Gimlets? |
I only have one wooden handled gimlet. The handle is not quite cylindrical, being slightly thicker at the center where the metal protrudes ever so slightly. If a handle designed like this were installed in this tray it might leave a tiny mark where the metal rubs the partitions. There are, in fact, six small marks on the partitions. One on the right, one on the left, and two on both side of the center partition. Tool 1. The biggest handle, rightmost, would have been close to 3-inches long, with a diameter of about .830. That is deeper than the tray because there is a wood strip added underneath and has been hollowed out. Tool 2. The next handle is to the right of the center partition with a formed recess 2.25 long, diameter about .750. The bottom panel has been hollowed out here also. Tool 3. The next handle is to the left of the center partition with a shaped recess 2.25 long, diameter .650. Tool 4. The next handle on the extreme left of the tray has a shaped recess 1.90 long, max diameter .650 Tools 5&6. The last two handles would have been above Tools 2&3 and would have been no longer than 1.5 inches long and diameter of .500. Nothing here to indicate shape. So, has anyone seen a gimlet handle as small as those last two? Bill W. Nottingham, PA Woodworkers visit me at http://billwebber.galootcentral.com/ |
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266798 | John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> | 2018‑10‑15 | Re: Gimlets? |
Bill, Would this tradesman have used gravers or small carving tools with “half mushroom” handles? That is, mushroom handles with one side cut away to form a “flat”? (Prevents them from rolling too far.) Note that this is presented in the form of a question! I really don’t know. I’ve thought highly of this chest from the moment it was first unveiled on the Porch! John Ruth Sent from my iPhone |
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266799 | Zachary Dillinger <zacharydillinger@g...> | 2018‑10‑15 | Re: Gimlets? |
Hi Bill, At an auction, I recently bought a large number of wooden handled gimlets from a now-defunct museum. In that lot of gimlets, some 40 in all, there are gimlets that would meet or nearly meet your dimensional criteria of less than 1.5" in length and 1/2" in diameter. I seem to be having trouble with my Galoot Image Central account but I will endeavor to make pictures of the gimlets available to you later tonight. Zach -- Zachary Dillinger 517-231-3374 |
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266800 | Bill Webber <ol2lrus@v...> | 2018‑10‑15 | Re: Gimlets? |
Mr. Hilton was a pattern maker, so yes I think he likely used gravers and small carving tools. There are a few in the chest. However the flat you are referring to is generally seen on conventional carving tools, handle in line with the blade. Whatever went in this tray had a handle at right angles to the tool; it couldn't roll anyway. Thanks... Bill W. Nottingham, PA Woodworkers visit me at http://billwebber.galootcentral.com/ |
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266801 | Bill Webber <ol2lrus@v...> | 2018‑10‑15 | Re: Gimlets? |
Poor form again, continuing my own discussion, but... Mr. Hilton was consistent in the way he made his dividers and partitions for his tools. Specifically, if the tool was round, his dividers were round. If the tool had square shanks, the dividers were square or rectangular. So the tool is just as likely something with a square or rectangular shank and not a gimlet at all. Bill W. Nottingham, PA Woodworkers visit me at http://billwebber.galootcentral.com/ |
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266802 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2018‑10‑15 | Re: Gimlets? |
On 2018-10-15 1:31 PM, Bill Webber wrote: > Poor form again, continuing my own discussion, but... Mr. Hilton was > consistent in the way he made his dividers and partitions for his > tools. Specifically, if the tool was round, his dividers were round. > If the tool had square shanks, the dividers were square or > rectangular. So the tool is just as likely something with a square or > rectangular shank and not a gimlet at all. > > Bill W. Is it likely he had a mixed set of larger wooden-handled and smaller metal-handled gimlets like these? https://www.garrettwade.com/set-of-seven-steel-twist-gimlets-gp.html Don -- Nullius in verba ( Take nobody’s word. ) motto of the Royal Society of London for Improving Natural Knowledge “The information we consume matters just as much as the food we put in our body. It affects our thinking, our behavior, how we understand our place in the world. And how we understand others.” — Evan Williams |
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266803 | Bill Webber <ol2lrus@v...> | 2018‑10‑15 | Re: Gimlets? |
I have a set like that, and no they won't fit. The handles are too wide and the way they are wrapped makes the shank too wide. Keep trying :-) Bill W. Nottingham, PA Woodworkers visit me at http://billwebber.galootcentral.com/ |
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266808 | Troy Livingston <horologist@w...> | 2018‑10‑17 | Re: Gimlets? |
I was wondering if could be for depth gauges with different sized and shaped bases? Seems like something a pattern maker would need a quantity of and I don't recall seeing any in the other photos. Troy |
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266809 | Bill Webber <ol2lrus@v...> | 2018‑10‑17 | Re: Gimlets? |
Hi Troy, Nice idea, but I think depth gauges have a flat sided base, whereas whatever goes in the recesses here is a rounded handle, perhaps base, of some kind. Bill W. Nottingham, PA Woodworkers visit me at http://billwebber.galootcentral.com/ |
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266923 | Bill Webber <ol2lrus@v...> | 2018‑11‑01 | Re: Gimlets? |
Problem mostly solved. Thanks Zach. http://billwebber.galootcentral.com/1810-017.JPG Bill W. Nottingham, PA Woodworkers visit me at http://billwebber.galootcentral.com/ |
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266924 | curt seeliger <seeligerc@g...> | 2018‑11‑01 | Re: Gimlets? |
> Problem mostly solved. Thanks Zach. > http://billwebber.galootcentral.com/1810-017.JPG Beautiful looking tools and storage, Bill. I'm puzzled now by the amount of apparently wasted space in the chest. Were the gimlets used so often, relative to small bits driven by augers, that the open array is warranted? |
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266925 | Bill Webber <ol2lrus@v...> | 2018‑11‑01 | Re: Gimlets? |
Hi Curt, I wouldn't presume to comment on how often any of the tools were used. This little tray is probably the least densely populated area in the entire chest. I'm thinking gimlets are pretty difficult to store in a flat area. No matter how you arrange them, I think they take up a lot of real estate. Line them up on a board with holes and at first glance that seems more compact but the rectangle formed is quite large. Hey, I just gave me an idea; there is an open area under the tills that might take some gimlets. :-) Thanks... Bill W. Nottingham, PA Woodworkers visit me at http://billwebber.galootcentral.com/ |
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