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254479 | Mark Jefferis <mark.tango@i...> | 2015‑04‑22 | rehab 2 wooden body planes |
I have picked up a wooden body jack plane and a smoother. They have small'ish checks/cracks in them that I'd like to stabilize. What is the best method? I assume I should inject glue into the checks and then clamp to some degree. Dry clamping does not completely close them up. These are my first wooden planes and I'm really looking forward to using them. Mark |
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254481 | Thomas Johnson <drthjo@g...> | 2015‑04‑22 | Re: rehab 2 wooden body planes |
For smaller cracks I use thin CA glue and an accelerant. Works GR-8! Some cracks are still OK to use a thicker version that will wick into the crack ,,, and some cracks mean stuffing thin saving into the crack with glue cuz no clamp in the world will close drying cracks permanently. Splits OTH often can be split open completely and reglued happily rather than trying to wick glue into a crack. With the CA ... remember to keep the ventilation going ... not good to get a snoot full. Tom On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Mark Jefferis |
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254489 | Spike Cornelius <spikethebike@c...> | 2015‑04‑23 | Re: rehab 2 wooden body planes |
I'd soak em in BLO. Sent from the seat of my pants > On Apr 22, 2015, at 2:42 PM, Mark Jefferis |
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254494 | Darrell & Kathy <larchmont@s...> | 2015‑04‑23 | Re: rehab 2 wooden body planes |
On 22/04/2015 5:42 PM, Mark Jefferis wrote: > I have picked up a wooden body jack plane and a smoother. They have > small'ish checks/cracks in them that I'd like to stabilize. What is > the best method? > > I assume I should inject glue into the checks and then clamp to some > degree. Dry clamping does not completely close them up. > > These are my first wooden planes and I'm really looking forward to > using them. > Hi Mark, I gotta be the Skeptic here. What behaviour does your plane exhibit that makes you think it needs fixing? If it's just cosmetic, then it doesn't really matter until you get them working. Make the irons as sharp as you can and try them out. Then you can try to diagnose any issues you encounter. In my experience a working tool needs to be made to work before expending effort on cosmetic flaws. I got too much time invested in tools that look nice but do nothing. |
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254498 | Mark Jefferis <mark.tango@i...> | 2015‑04‑23 | Re: rehab 2 wooden body planes |
On the jack plane, I am concerned that the number, placement, length and width of the checks/cracks imply that the checks/cracks could lengthen and break the body a part. I am imagining that stabilizing these cracks could prevent them from growing. I am not worried about appearance. I just don't want it to fall a part while I'm using it. Of most concern, the smoother has length wise cracks/splits on each side of the body top where the wedge terminates in the throat against the iron. These cracks in front of the wedge are directly affected by the wedge's pressure. The cracks follow the grain. I am able to close these two splits with a pliers. Is there agreement that CA glue is an effective and easy approach to preventing the two wooden planes from falling a part? Initially I was going to use yellow wood glue. I will also take up the suggestion about soaking them in BLO. Mark On Apr 23, 2015, at 07:35 AM, Darrell & Kathy |
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254499 | Ben <benbelzer@h...> | 2015‑04‑23 | Re: rehab 2 wooden body planes |
I'll second Spike's suggestion. They may just be dry. Apply your favorite oil and the cracks may close on their own. -Ben Belzer > To: oldtools@s... > From: mark.tango@i... > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 21:42:48 +0000 > Subject: [OldTools] rehab 2 wooden body planes > > I have picked up a wooden body jack plane and a smoother. They have small'ish checks/cracks in them that I'd like to stabilize. What is the best method? > > I assume I should inject glue into the checks and then clamp to some degree. Dry clamping does not completely close them up. > > These are my first wooden planes and I'm really looking forward to using them. > > Mark |
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254502 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2015‑04‑23 | Re: rehab 2 wooden body planes |
I would suggest you apply CA wherever you suspect the integrity of the plane has been compromised by wedge/iron and hammering - splits resulting from normal use or abuse. That includes the splitting you describe on the smoother. Those splits can sometimes be helped with screws or, more radically, by planing the side(s) off to remove the splits, attaching new wood, and shaping as required. Only do one side at a time! ;-) Any splits resulting simply from wood movement should be considered individually. Are they resulting in defomation of the plane body? Can they be readily closed by clamping without causing deformation? Are they new cracks or old? Have you observed their elongation since you've owned the planes? If left alone, are they likely to extend to the mouth or affect the wedging action? I would only apply BLO after finishing with any gluing, and likely then only to close up end grain checking visible in the mouth or ends of the body. It's mostly cosmetic IMO. FWIW Don On 2015-04-23 1:01 PM, Mark Jefferis wrote: > On the jack plane, I am concerned that the number, placement, length > and width of the checks/cracks imply that the checks/cracks could > lengthen and break the body a part. I am imagining that stabilizing > these cracks could prevent them from growing. I am not worried about > appearance. I just don't want it to fall a part while I'm using it. > > Of most concern, the smoother has length wise cracks/splits on each > side of the body top where the wedge terminates in the throat against > the iron. These cracks in front of the wedge are directly affected by > the wedge's pressure. The cracks follow the grain. I am able to close > these two splits with a pliers. > Is there agreement that CA glue is an effective and easy approach to > preventing the two wooden planes from falling a part? Initially I was > going to use yellow wood glue. > > I will also take up the suggestion about soaking them in BLO. |
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254505 | Mark Jefferis <mark.tango@i...> | 2015‑04‑23 | Re: rehab 2 wooden body planes |
Don, The planes are brand new to me so I can't respond to the question regarding how old the cracks are although my guess is that they are not at all new. Also, I have not used the smoothing plane as is to have noticed whether the two cracks in front of the wedge have grown. The smoothing plane body is not deformed. The jack plane body has noticable twist along the sole and it isn't at all flat. I will be taking out the twist and will flatten the sole. Of the two, left as is, I worry most about the jack plane cracking apart length wise. I'm really happy to have obtained both planes and I'm very motivated to rehab and use them. Aside from honing and sharpening the irons, the irons and chip breakers are in great condition. Mark On Apr 23, 2015, at 05:00 PM, Don Schwartz |
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254511 | "Adam R. Maxwell" <amaxwell@m...> | 2015‑04‑24 | Re: rehab 2 wooden body planes |
> On Apr 23, 2015, at 12:01 , Mark Jefferis |
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254512 | Ed Minch <ruby@m...> | 2015‑04‑24 | Re: rehab 2 wooden body planes |
If the blade is hard to get in and out - like the slot is not wide enough and the blade is too wide - it may be that things have shrunk a bit and caused these side cracks as the blade tried to keep the body from shrinking. If that is the case, get the blade out, then widen the slot just a bit. Ed Minch On Apr 24, 2015, at 12:27 AM, Adam R. Maxwell |
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