>My primary hobby is a nearly fourty year interest in photography
>
 Eeeeek, hold it right there Ed!
  We need, want, and will come after you with torches and pitchforks if 
you don't.....................
Give the most detailed work up of shooting tools to optimum clarity that 
you can. Common easy to get cheap equipment now. Don't bother tellin 
about Leica or Ferrarri.
Do a page, Do a book, Do an encyclopedia!! 
Most of us take a picture of a tool now and then and we all do the best 
we can and some are better at it than others.  But if there are any 
tricks we're missing we want to hear about it!!  You've seen my pix. 
Help me.
  We want the pix. Gotta have those pix.
We want the pix.  Give up the pix
 yours, Scott
  

Scott Grandstaff, Box 409, Happy Camp, CA  96039
scottg@s...

Tools <http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/>
Tools <http://oldtoolsshop.com/Galoots/sGrandstaff/>
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scott grandstaff wrote:
>  
> Give the most detailed work up of shooting tools to optimum clarity 
> that you can. .......You've seen my pix. Help me.
>
Scott writes this like any cares about the quality of the pictures of 
stuff he makes.  A wooden block print on burlap would still have 
everyone drooling.  But Ed, include lots of macro stuff, like how to 
make a BB look baseball sized, so Scott can really show off his work.

-- 
Kirk Eppler, who wouldn't mind good info on how to best light a poor saw etc.
Process Development Engineering
Eppler.Kirk@g... 

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I don't think this is off topic. The skill to take a quality photo of 
anything, in this case tools either for sale or just to show off, is of 
value more today than ever before. With the prevalence of broadband 
internet access, we can and do share photos and post them to websites 
and I often wish the photos were of a higher quality with better 
lighting, etc.

So, please, next lesson...

(And if this _is_ off topic, at least point us to a good instructional 
link.)

> 
> Scott: Your best (and least expensive) photographic friends are three pieces
> of white cardboard, foamboard, thin ply painted white, etc.. Sized to suit
> the project. For most tools each piece maybe 2'x3' and smaller. Add some
> free North light and presto! you have a purpose built studio. A suitable
> fill ratio is 1:3, with the main light source coming in at a 45 degree angle
> from the horizontal and vertical. You move the light (or the subject if you
> cannot move the light) until you get a pleasing effect. Then work the
> reflectors to provide the aforementioned 1:3 ratio until you are satisfied
> with the results. Since I'm way off topic here, dealing with specular
> surfaces is the next lesson........

-- 
Ron Hock
HOCK TOOLS  http://www.hocktools.com
16650 Mitchell Creek Dr
Fort Bragg, CA  95437
(707) 964-2782 fax (707) 964-7816
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SHORT: This List Rocks! I Need More Tools!

A TOOL POEM:
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses of rust yearning to breathe free,
The wretched, paint-spattered refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless tools, tempest-tossed and postage-paid, to me:
I open my toolbox beside my door.
(With apologies to Emma Lazarus........)

LONG: Sigh...., with the recent torrent of Bios, I guess its' "me too" time
for an update to the old Bio. I think it was Jim E. that opened the
floodgates.

I joined the list in 2004 and it would be impossible to put a value on the
vast amount of information and help I have gleaned from the listmembers.
Thank you all, what a fantastic group of enthusiasts.

As much as I've travelled, Montreal is still my favorite city on the planet.
I could be excused for having a soft spot considering I was born, raised,
and schooled there. Currently divide my time between three different cities,
mostly chasing sun and water.

Places I've worked; jewellery factory, hobby store, scale model wooden boat
building. My "real job" for the last 30 years is "cradle to grave" physical
security engineering - The company I own specializes in major, high value
projects that take several years to assess, plan, design, install and
complete. This means I spend a chunk of time travelling to odd destinations;
prisons (fortunately they consistently let me out....), military bases (they
consistently let me in but would prefer that I didn't leave.....),
Government buildings (I get in but, consistently, no one is ever at their
desk.....), Nuclear Plants (I get in but I'd rather not stay too long.....),
etc. you get the idea). This helps to explain why I am the self-appointed
"security consultant" to the Porch--;-)

My primary hobby is a nearly fourty year interest in photography: most of my
contributions to the list so far have been cross-over knowledge from the
photographic field; leather, wood, brass, optics, repairs. At one point I
owned the largest used equipment store in Canada, as a sideline of course
(LOL). Strong interest in early photography when it was crossing over from
an upstart technology into an art form, and I'm a fan of Steichen,
Stieglitz, Strand, Lange, Atget and other luminaries.

I read a lot, and enjoy a huge library, but I have very few books on tools.
Haven't owned a TV for ten years therefore the mysteries of St. Roy. will
remain just that.

Porch Dwellers Greek Chorus chants: Yes, Yes, blah, blah, blah but tell us
about the TOOLS man!!. Very limited assortment of Galoot tools since they
are nearly impossible to find in my current location. I have a Stanley 4, 5,
7. Some chisels including some Marples, Sandvik and Butcher. I have only
been able to find a couple of garden variety Disstons, fortunately not
painted. Phasing out the tailed tools as I go. Have a bench; need to make a
better bench.  Still delving into the Eleusinian Mysteries of sharpening. I
need to get some woodworking vises and some decent saws. Wood butcher
mostly, and I'm always in awe of the talent displayed in GC.

I really enjoy the often spirited repartee on the Porch and many thanks to
all those whose correspondence I have enjoyed off-list.

Best Regards to all Galootdom for a pleasant Holiday Season and a Prosperous
New Year!

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Ed in Ottawa wrote:

> Haven't owned a TV for ten years therefore the mysteries of St. Roy.
 will remain just that.

Ed, you don't need a TV to watch St. Roy anymore! All you need is a
computer, an internet connection, and a browser!

     http://www.pbs.org/wws/schedule/video.html

What are you waiting for?

Cheers, Chuck Taylor Everett, WA, USA

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I also have a long interest in photography. The problem is that I have  
an even stronger interest in my Galoot stuff, so I just take my stuff  
out into the sun, or open shade sometimes, and shoot a picture. I ain't  
selling anything, so what you see is what you get.

I just don't want to give the time to photography that I know I should.  
Most galoots probably have the same problem.

On Dec 4, 2007, at 10:15 AM, scott grandstaff wrote:

>
>> My primary hobby is a nearly fourty year interest in photography
>>
> Eeeeek, hold it right there Ed!
>  We need, want, and will come after you with torches and pitchforks if  
> you don't.....................
> Give the most detailed work up of shooting tools to optimum clarity  
> that you can. Common easy to get cheap equipment now. Don't bother  
> tellin about Leica or Ferrarri.
> Do a page, Do a book, Do an encyclopedia!! Most of us take a picture  
> of a tool now and then and we all do the best we can and some are  
> better at it than others.  But if there are any tricks we're missing  
> we want to hear about it!!  You've seen my pix. Help me.
>  We want the pix. Gotta have those pix.
> We want the pix.  Give up the pix
> yours, Scott
>
> Scott Grandstaff, Box 409, Happy Camp, CA  96039
> scottg@s...
>
> Tools <http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/>
> Tools <http://oldtoolsshop.com/Galoots/sGrandstaff/>
> Kitty's PageWorks <http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> -
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> aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage,
> value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of
> traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools.
>
> To change your subscription options:
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Wes; I would love (and want) to own more books on tools, but they are rare
in the used bookstores here. AND Amazon et al booksellers (mostly) won't
ship to us here furriners, despite the fact that we are a lot closer than PK
holdfast country. You have that most excellent "book rate" down there, while
we get outrageous shipping prices plus the occasional hassle with the feds
(customs fees). Don't even think of shipping anything up to Canada via UPS;
that, ladies and germs, is a highwayman in a brown uniform.....

Scott: Your best (and least expensive) photographic friends are three pieces
of white cardboard, foamboard, thin ply painted white, etc.. Sized to suit
the project. For most tools each piece maybe 2'x3' and smaller. Add some
free North light and presto! you have a purpose built studio. A suitable
fill ratio is 1:3, with the main light source coming in at a 45 degree angle
from the horizontal and vertical. You move the light (or the subject if you
cannot move the light) until you get a pleasing effect. Then work the
reflectors to provide the aforementioned 1:3 ratio until you are satisfied
with the results. Since I'm way off topic here, dealing with specular
surfaces is the next lesson........

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming!

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Eduardo said:

>A suitable fill ratio is 1:3, with the main light source coming in at a
45 >degree angle from the horizontal and vertical. For those of us in
    the photo-illiterate crowd, please enlighten (haha) us as to what a
    1:3 "fill ratio" is? Object-to-background?

Thanks, Steve, in windy Howell NJ
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I was a hobbyist for a while in photography, then did part of my graduate
program in it, then did it professionally and taught at the university
level, and now I pretty much can't be arsed to pick up a camera for
anything.  Doing it professionally ruined a great hobby. The main reason
I'll never woodwork for money.  However, my advice is free.  :)

Marcus

> I also have a long interest in photography. The problem is that I have
> an even stronger interest in my Galoot stuff, so I just take my stuff
> out into the sun, or open shade sometimes, and shoot a picture. I ain't
> selling anything, so what you see is what you get.
>
> I just don't want to give the time to photography that I know I should.
> Most galoots probably have the same problem.
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2007, at 10:15 AM, scott grandstaff wrote:
>
>>
>>> My primary hobby is a nearly fourty year interest in photography
>>>
>> Eeeeek, hold it right there Ed!
>>  We need, want, and will come after you with torches and pitchforks if
>> you don't.....................
>> Give the most detailed work up of shooting tools to optimum clarity
>> that you can. Common easy to get cheap equipment now. Don't bother
>> tellin about Leica or Ferrarri.
>> Do a page, Do a book, Do an encyclopedia!! Most of us take a picture
>> of a tool now and then and we all do the best we can and some are
>> better at it than others.  But if there are any tricks we're missing
>> we want to hear about it!!  You've seen my pix. Help me.
>>  We want the pix. Gotta have those pix.
>> We want the pix.  Give up the pix
>> yours, Scott
>>
>> Scott Grandstaff, Box 409, Happy Camp, CA  96039
>> scottg@s...
>>
>> Tools <http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/>
>> Tools <http://oldtoolsshop.com/Galoots/sGrandstaff/>
>> Kitty's PageWorks <http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -
>> OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool
>> aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage,
>> value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of
>> traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools.
>>
>> To change your subscription options:
>> http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools
>>
>> To read the FAQ:
>> http://people.iarc.uaf.edu/~cswingle/archive/faq.html
>>
>> OldTools archive: http://people.iarc.uaf.edu/~cswingle/archive/
>>
>> OldTools@r...
>> http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools
>>
>>
> Jim Thompson, the old millrat in Riverside, CA.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool
> aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage,
> value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of
> traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools.
>
> To change your subscription options:
> http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools
>
> To read the FAQ:
> http://people.iarc.uaf.edu/~cswingle/archive/faq.html
>
> OldTools archive: http://people.iarc.uaf.edu/~cswingle/archive/
>
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Jim,

I have also been known to take a pic or two. For instance, here is a
picture of one of our dedicated mechs checking the oil in the port
engine of an RA-3B over Guam in 1967. (Natural light - no lamps or
flash used.)

http://galootcentral.com/index.php?option=com_copperminevis&Itemid=2&pl-
ace=displayimage&album=lastup&cat=0&pos Frank Sronce (Fort Worth
Armadillo Works)

----- Original Message ----- From: "James Thompson" 
To: "scott grandstaff" 
Cc: "porch"  Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:18 PM
    Subject: Re: [OldTools] BIO UPDATE - Short and LONG

>I also have a long interest in photography. The problem is that I have
>an even stronger interest in my Galoot stuff, so I just take my stuff
>out into the sun, or open shade sometimes, and shoot a picture. I ain't
>selling anything, so what you see is what you get.

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Nice pic. Pretty cool the way the airflow over the wing and engine makes
his pants cuff flap towards the front of the plane. Gotta love them
aerodynamics...

-James

-----Original Message----- From: oldtools-bounces@r... [mailto:oldtools-
bounces@r...] On Behalf Of Frank Sronce Sent: Thursday, December
06, 2007 5:18 PM To: porch Subject: Re: [OldTools] BIO UPDATE -
Short and LONG

Jim,

I have also been known to take a pic or two. For instance, here is a
picture of one of our dedicated mechs checking the oil in the port
engine of an RA-3B over Guam in 1967. (Natural light - no lamps or
flash used.)

http://galootcentral.com/index.php?option=com_copperminevis&Itemid=2&pl-
ace=d isplayimage&album=lastup&cat=0&pos Frank Sronce (Fort Worth
Armadillo Works)

----- Original Message ----- From: "James Thompson" 
To: "scott grandstaff" 
Cc: "porch"  Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:18 PM
    Subject: Re: [OldTools] BIO UPDATE - Short and LONG

>I also have a long interest in photography. The problem is that I have
>an even stronger interest in my Galoot stuff, so I just take my stuff
>out into the sun, or open shade sometimes, and shoot a picture. I ain't
>selling anything, so what you see is what you get.

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Ah, but what you do not realize is that we were flying in reverse gear
at the time.

----- Original Message ----- From: "jd"  To: "'Frank
Sronce'" ; "'porch'"  Sent:
Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: RE: [OldTools] BIO
UPDATE - Short and LONG

> Nice pic. Pretty cool the way the airflow over the wing and engine
> makes his pants cuff flap towards the front of the plane. Gotta love
> them aerodynamics...
>
> -James
>
> -----Original Message----- From: oldtools-bounces@r... [mailto:oldtools-
> bounces@r...] On Behalf Of Frank Sronce Sent: Thursday, December 06,
> 2007 5:18 PM To: porch Subject: Re: [OldTools] BIO UPDATE - Short
> and LONG
>
> Jim,
>
> I have also been known to take a pic or two. For instance, here is a
> picture of one of our dedicated mechs checking the oil in the port
> engine of an RA-3B over Guam in 1967. (Natural light - no lamps or
> flash used.)
>
> http://galootcentral.com/index.php?option=com_copperminevis&Itemid=2&-
> place=d isplayimage&album=lastup&cat=0&pos>
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