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114465 pjm21@d... 2003‑02‑17 How to Mount an Emmert?
Galoots,

A few weeks back I started acquiring what I would need to make my first,
*real* bench.  I designed it, redesigned it, thought some more and designed
it again.  You get the idea.  Anyways, I got some lumber, remembered an old
3" maple top I had laying around, and was lusting after the Emmert vise.  I
was thinking about buying one of the knockoff vises and starting
FOYBEVKOO(tm?), the Fraternal Order of Yuppie B@s...@rd Emmert Vise Knock Off
Owners but I got one instead.

Now I need to mount the vise and ain't so sure how I want to do it.  I
could let it into the top like I've seen on the web.  Or I could leave the
bench alone and mount the hinge flush with the apron.  Can I have opinions
from FOYBEVO?  If it's mounted into the top, doesn't that stop the vise
from swiveling?  Does it get any support that way?  Private replies may not
make it to me so please, post to the group.

Pete in Detroit
contemplating the FOYBEVO entry ritual...


114467 "John North" <John.North@v...> 2003‑02‑17 Re: How to Mount an Emmert?
Pete in Detroit wrote
> Now I need to mount the vise and ain't so sure how I want to do it.  I
> could let it into the top like I've seen on the web.  Or I could leave the
> bench alone and mount the hinge flush with the apron.  Can I have opinions
> from FOYBEVO?

If it's mounted into the top, doesn't that stop the vise
> from swiveling?

No

Does it get any support that way?

Yes, plenty.

JN in NH (formerly also in Detroit)


114477 "Pete Bergstrom" <bergstro@u...> 2003‑02‑18 Re: How to Mount an Emmert?
"Nichael Cramer"  wrote:
> FWIW: The newest FWW has an article on building a
> "rock-solid bench".
>
> The vices on the bench are a big Emmert as the front vice
> and a nice tail vice.  Unfortunately, most of the information
> about the Emmert in the article is about how cool it is, with
> almost no information about how to mount it.  The bulk of the
> article is about how to build/mount the tail vice; still, a nice
> article (and a nice bench).

I don't recall seeing this web page mentioned in the current threads on
mounting an Emmert:

http://www.shavings.net/EMMERT.HTM

I'm hoping that this page will still be around when I find myself an Emmert.

Pete


114476 Nichael Cramer <nichael@s...> 2003‑02‑18 Re: How to Mount an Emmert?
FWIW: The newest FWW has an article on building a 
"rock-solid bench".

The vices on the bench are a big Emmert as the front vice
and a nice tail vice.  Unfortunately, most of the information
about the Emmert in the article is about how cool it is, with
almost no information about how to mount it.  The bulk of the 
article is about how to build/mount the tail vice; still, a nice 
article (and a nice bench).

Nichael


114479 vanmaren2@a... 2003‑02‑18 Re: How to Mount an Emmert?
Here's my experience with mounting my Emmert:
http://www.rogervm.homestead.com/Emmert2.html

Roger


114520 Mark van Roojen <msv@u...> 2003‑02‑19 Re: How to Mount an Emmert?
At 03:40 PM 2/17/03, pjm21@d... wrote:
>Galoots,
>
>A few weeks back I started acquiring what I would need to make my first,
>*real* bench.  I designed it, redesigned it, thought some more and designed
>it again.  You get the idea.  Anyways, I got some lumber, remembered an old
>3" maple top I had laying around, and was lusting after the Emmert vise.  I
>was thinking about buying one of the knockoff vises and starting
>FOYBEVKOO(tm?), the Fraternal Order of Yuppie B@s...@rd Emmert Vise Knock Off
>Owners but I got one instead.
>
>Now I need to mount the vise and ain't so sure how I want to do it.  I
>could let it into the top like I've seen on the web.  Or I could leave the
>bench alone and mount the hinge flush with the apron.  Can I have opinions
>from FOYBEVO?  If it's mounted into the top, doesn't that stop the vise
>from swiveling?  Does it get any support that way?  Private replies may not
>make it to me so please, post to the group.

I prefer letting the vise hand out a bit so as not to restrict it's 
movement.  You can see mine on my website in the workbenches part of my 
site (www.mvr1.com).
I have seen them mounted in, but I think that the mortise then has to be 
relieved to let it turn fully.  I think Russ Allen has done that and I'm 
sure he'll chime in if he sees this.

  I don't think you get any extra support by mounting it in a mortise, 
since the vise must still be left free to move around.  It does make your 
bench a little better balanced though, which may be an issue if the bench 
itself is not very massive, since the legs near the vise may have to be 
offset to give the vise room to move and hence they can be more towards the 
center of balance than you might like.

best,

Mark

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114574 Russ Allen <rcallen@x...> 2003‑02‑21 Re: How to Mount an Emmert?
Mark van Roojen wrote:

> I have seen them mounted in, but I think that the mortise then has to be 
> relieved to let it turn fully.  I think Russ Allen has done that and I'm 
> sure he'll chime in if he sees this.
        
I've been struggling with exactly how to explain this.  A picture
or two would help but I don't have a decent digital camera.  Instead
I stole the images from John Gunterman's Emmert page (apologies
to John) and attempted to annotate them.  See 
http://home.xnet.com/~rcallen/pmkr/emmert101.htm  Here's my
attempt to explain it without pictures:

Mark is right- the vise can't do all its tricks when it is let into the 
bench top with a French fit (see archive message 24119).  The vise won't 
spin in the plane perpendicular to the bench top when in it's home
position.  Start with the vise in the home position and the handle
running horizontally.  You couldn't move the handle 10 degrees and then
spin the vise body to match that angle.  The French fitting didn't
remove enough wood to make this possible.  I haven't found a need
to position the vise like this, YMMV.  

  You can raise the vise up where it's parallel to the
bench top and raised slightly above it.  You can then spin the vise 90
degrees and then drop it back down.  The vise would now be in the
same position as if you had been able to rotate it 90 degrees in
its home position. 

I hope this helps!
Russ Allen  
Member of the fraternal order of French fitted Emmert knock offs 


114579 PeterH5322@a... 2003‑02‑21 Re: How to Mount an Emmert?
In a message dated 2/21/03 8:03:48 AM, rcallen@x... writes:

<< http://home.xnet.com/~rcallen/pmkr/emmert101.htm >>

The "Toolmaker's and Metal Worker's Universal Vise" looks interesting.

Are these as scarce as hen's wisdom teeth?

Peter.


114576 vanmaren2@a... 2003‑02‑21 Re: How to Mount an Emmert?
Russ Allen wrote:
> Mark is right- the vise can't do all its tricks when it is let into
> the bench top with a French fit (see archive message 24119). The vise
> won't spin in the plane perpendicular to the bench top when in it's
> home position.
>

My vise is let in to the bench and it does spin and tilt at any
location. This is what it the relieved area looks like. Take a look at:
http://www.rogervm.homestead.com/files/emmert/Mounting_08.jpg

A view from the top:
http://www.rogervm.homestead.com/files/emmert/Mounting_09.jpg

I don't have a picture of the front view handy, but the edge of the
apron closest to the right side of the vise is also relieved slightly in
an arc that's centered around the axis of rotation.

Roger


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