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249600 | William Ghio <bghio@m...> | 2014‑07‑29 | Ever use a barking spud? |
I have an Oak log out in the woods that came down in a wind a few weeks ago. I decided to use it to get me a stump for pounding on in the shop, even tho it will check like crazy as it dries. 12 inches in diameter so 30 or so inches of that wet was a sweat getting up the hill. I decided I should debark it and looked about for a spud-like device. I used a (to me) what's it that is something like a dogleg chisel. Made by Proto, I suspect it is a break tool of some sort. I have always passed on barking spuds at the fleas but now wonder if I might should have one. My tool is about 12 inches long and not more than 1/4 lb. soaking wet so I had to drive it w/ a mallet. So, is a spud any easier? How do you use one? Bill |
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249601 | scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> | 2014‑07‑29 | Re: Ever use a barking spud? |
My buddy Mike uses a spud frequently. There is a modern subculture, bark spud user crowd, in the valley now. All the young guys want to believe in the bark spud. If the log is too big to lift by hand, or you have to work the log while its laying on the ground for any reason, bark spuds are the only way to go. Work the spud in, in a straight line up the log, and then begin to work it side to side peeling bark whole. This works, slowly. Its my contention that bark spuds were mostly invented for when you want to save the bark. When the bark itself is the desired product. As in hickory, birch, or tan oak. Hickory could weave baskets and chair seats, birch bark canoes, and you tan leather in an ooze of tan oak bark and water. For smaller poles of any kind, when you want the pole and don't care about the bark, lift one end into a crossbuck and maybe lift the other end just a bit on something else, straddle the log, and take a large drawknife to it. This can be learned as a much faster technique. All us old school river people used drawknives to peel our poles. Homes and barns were built with poles and drawknives. Nobody ever approached that much pole volume with a spud. There was however one guy. The fastest of all of us. He used a short blunt end shovel that had been sharpened. All the rest of us got to where we could peel pretty long strings of bark with every stroke of the drawknife. But this guy would launch himself at the pole and the sharpened shovel would fly all down the length of the log in one shot, peeling bark as it went. This was a pretty wild technique though. The rest of us could go fast enough with a plain drawknife. hehe yours Scott -- ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.n et/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcr est.net/kitty/hpages/index.html ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7939 - Release Date: 07/28/14 |
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249602 | Phil Koontz <phil.koontz@g...> | 2014‑07‑29 | Re: Ever use a barking spud? |
Hi Bill-- As usual, Scott G pretty much said it all. I've never tried to peel an oak log, but we peel hundreds of feet of spruce logs almost every year. The spuds I have came from a legendary local galoot, Don Lowe, who made them from about 3' of 1-1/4" pipe with a piece of leaf spring welded into one end. The shape of the spring is a blunt triangle about 4" long, and you use it like a thumbnail peeling an orange. To start the job, push the tooth along lengthwise for several feet, then start working the bark open like a banana peel. Note that this all depends on the bark. Dry bark needs a drawknife, and other species may do better with a different tool, like the shovel blade Scott mentioned. The log building books seem to recommend shovels cut down to about 2 or 3" wide. For your one-time, fairly small job, I would probably pick up a nice big crowbar or a tire iron. PK |
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249604 | David Nighswander <wishingstarfarm663@m...> | 2014‑07‑29 | Re: Ever use a barking spud? |
Wranglerstar has a video of making and using a bark spud. http://youtu.be/YAwYneD6gpw Sent from Windows Mail Snip From: Phil Koontz As usual, Scott G pretty much said it all. I've never tried to peel an oak log, but we peel hundreds of feet of spruce logs almost every year. The spuds I have came from a legendary local galoot, Don Lowe, who made them from about 3' of 1-1/4" pipe with a piece of leaf spring welded into one end. The shape of the spring is a blunt triangle about 4" long, and you use it like a thumbnail peeling an orange. To start the job, push the tooth along lengthwise for several feet, then start working the bark open like a banana peel. Unsnip |
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249605 | William Ghio <bghio@m...> | 2014‑07‑29 | Re: Ever use a barking spud? |
On Jul 29, 2014, at 12:15 PM, scott grandstaff |
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249606 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2014‑07‑29 | Re: Ever use a barkingspud? |
Scott has said about what can be said on the topic. Just a couple of additions and comments. A spud would be better than what you are using. Mine's about two feet long and the end of the wooden handle is swelled into a pad almost as big as a brace. You can put your shoulder into one of these. > Its my contention that bark spuds were mostly invented for when you > want to save the bark. When the bark itself is the desired product. Yep. In California mostly for barking oak trees for the tannin -- like Scott said, for tanning leather. Lot's of folks use draw knives. But the Russians (who, in case nobody knew it, make log cabins, log lodges, log churches...) use a scorp. It's about like planing with a scrub plane. Mike in Sacto |
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249607 | Champ Herren <champherren3@g...> | 2014‑07‑30 | Re: Ever use a barking spud? |
IDK...if it is sawn into lengths and is up off the ground....then the necessity of "stripping" a log is less, well, necessary. Anyhow the Ozarks is prone to every wood chewing critter that exists. I have seen stumps used as anvil mounts, hewing benches etc... many of which had the bark on. My .02.... |
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249608 | "Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq" <rohrabacher@e...> | 2014‑07‑30 | Re: Ever use a barking spud? |
I've used an assortment of tools successfully on more than a few very large trees I've taken down. I use hand axes, a long handled steel bar with a flat 3" wide chisel tip and a wrecking bar. Never actually had a tool designed for the job. Once I get anything under the bark it comes off in great sheets quite easily. |
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249609 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2014‑07‑30 | Re: Ever use a barking spud? |
Sounds like a job for an ice chopper! http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/yardworks-ice-chopper- 0596943p.html#.U9h00aMqfao">http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/yardworks-ice- chopper-0596943p.html#.U9h00aMqfao Don, enjoying the heat On 7/29/2014 8:14 PM, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq wrote: > I've used an assortment of tools successfully on more than a few very > large trees I've taken down. I use hand axes, a long handled steel > bar with a flat 3" wide chisel tip and a wrecking bar. Never actually > had a tool designed for the job. Once I get anything under the bark > it comes off in great sheets quite easily. |
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249610 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2014‑07‑30 | Re: Ever use a barkingspud? |
> Sounds like a job for an ice chopper! I was going to demure about the ice chopper, but a search of images for barking spud showed several that look quite similar, even ones that are as wide as this. My own is one of these: http://www.popscreen.com/p/MTA0NjUxMDg3/HAND-FORGED-IRON-BARK-SPUD- LUMBER-WOOD-LOGGING-TOOL-BARKING-LOG-">http://www.popscreen.com/p/MTA0NjUxMDg3 /HAND-FORGED-IRON-BARK-SPUD-LUMBER-WOOD-LOGGING-TOOL-BARKING-LOG- This one, and one other of this particular shape, are described as "hand forged," but that is very doubtful. The exact style, shape, and size was mass produced by L & IJ White. Hand forged spuds illustrated in Sloane are roughly the same size, but don't have the asymmetrical head. Personally, I don't like the sharp corners of the ice chopper and the spuds that look like it. The round end like mine or at least the rounded corners of other examples will slide under the bark a good deal better. There's a decently priced spud at: http://peaveymfg.com/products-logging-tools-bark- spud">http://peaveymfg.com/products-logging-tools-bark-spud Mike in Sacto |
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249614 | Gary Roberts <toolemera@m...> | 2014‑07‑31 | Re: Ever use a barking spud? |
Now that people have weighed in on how and how not to use a barking spud, when and if, I am succumbing to my nature and responding: I have never heard a potato bark. Hiss, yes, when cooking, but bark, no. Gary ............................... Gary Roberts http://toolemera.com http://toolemerabooks.com "I'ld rather read a good book, than write a poor one." Christopher Morley On Jul 29, 2014, at 10:26 AM, William Ghio |
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249618 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2014‑07‑31 | Re: Ever use a barking spud? |
On 7/30/2014 7:52 PM, Gary Roberts wrote: > Now that people have weighed in on how and how not to use a barking spud, when and if, I am succumbing to my nature and responding: > > I have never heard a potato bark. Hiss, yes, when cooking, but bark, no. Wel, if you can say that, I can ask the question that's been bothering me. Why is it not called a debarking spud? Had to ask. Couldn't be helped. Don |
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249619 | <ruby@m...> | 2014‑07‑31 | Re: Ever use a barking spud? |
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 21:52:23 -0400 Gary Roberts |
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249623 | scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> | 2014‑07‑31 | Re: Ever use a barking spud? |
What? Your spuds don't bark when you use them? I mean a little whimper or moan, sure But they are also supposed to sit up and bark when you use them right! Do you need me to get you a book? :) yours Scott -- ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.n et/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcr est.net/kitty/hpages/index.html ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7951 - Release Date: 07/30/14 |
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249658 | Gary Roberts <toolemera@m...> | 2014‑08‑01 | Re: Ever use a barking spud? |
There are two types, the barking spud and the debarking spud. Unfortunately, the debarking spud invariably leaves before any work can be done. This would explain why they are so rare and typically forgotten when discussing the removal of bark from trees. Gary ............................... Gary Roberts http://toolemera.com http://toolemerabooks.com "I'ld rather read a good book, than write a poor one." Christopher Morley On Jul 31, 2014, at 1:34 AM, Don Schwartz |
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249659 | Bill Kasper <dragonlist@u...> | 2014‑08‑01 | Re: Ever use a barking spud? |
as well, the barking spud tends to make a lot more noise, and so gets much more notice. bill felton, ca On Aug 1, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Gary Roberts |
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249664 | "Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq" <rohrabacher@e...> | 2014‑08‑02 | Re: Ever use a barking spud? |
I love this list. Barking spud a Friggin hunk of iron on the end of a short pole and so much interest. Barking spud. Love it On 7/29/2014 10:26 AM, William Ghio wrote: > I have an Oak log out in the woods that came down in a wind a few weeks ago. I decided to use it to get me a stump for pounding on in the shop, even tho it will check like crazy as it dries. 12 inches in diameter so 30 or so inches of that wet was a sweat getting up the hill. I decided I should debark it and looked about for a spud-like device. I used a (to me) what's it that is something like a dogleg chisel. Made by Proto, I suspect it is a break tool of some sort. I have always passed on barking spuds at the fleas but now wonder if I might should have one. My tool is about 12 inches long and not more than 1/4 lb. soaking wet so I had to drive it w/ a mallet. So, is a spud any easier? How do you use one? > > Bill > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool > aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage, > value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of > traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools. > > To change your subscription options: > http://rucku s.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools > > To read the FAQ: > http://swingleydev.com/archi ve/faq.html > > OldTools archive: http://swingleydev.com/archive/">http://swingleydev.com/archive/ > > OldTools@r... > http://rucku s.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools > |
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