No need to answer, but you go get the bastid!!!

On Jul 14, 2010, at 7:08 PM, r.roeder@m... wrote:

> Since 14 years of research have gone into compiling the Millers  
> Falls site, I will be seeking additional damages as well. These will  
> include reimbursement for trips to research the book, web hosting  
> expenses, and lost income from the sale of my forthcoming book. I am  
> entirely serious about this.
>
> I'm distressed to say the least, am extremely bitter and won't be  
> answering any e-mail on this topic,
>
> Randy
>
> Randy Roeder
> Web site: oldtoolheaven.com

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  Randy
  I wouldn't wait 10 more seconds.
Unleash the hounds!!

  Post the address for reporting theft/fraud to ebay and we will all 
deluge them.

  There are some desperate ways to sabotage any auction............heh heh

Try to find out where the thief lives, and broadcast the street address!!
  Or second best, find out what internet provider they use and go after 
their basic web service. Nobody loves a thief.

   Intellectual property theft is serious business.  Especially 
cherished material.

  I have been extremely proud of you posting this all these years.

   I will not lay down and let someone steal it from all of us.
    yours Scott

-- 
*******************************
    Scott Grandstaff
    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
    scottg@s...
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html

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Galoots,

The future of the Millers Falls website is in question. An individual whom I do 
not know has appropriated the hand and breasts drills part of the site and is ma
rketing it in book format on ebay. Until he desists, I will be pulling the site 
until the legal issues are cleared up. I'm sorry that I feel compelled to do thi
s, but this sort of activity is detrimental to the book that I am planning.

Here's a copy of the email I sent to the individual.

Ok we have a problem. You are marketing content stolen verbatim from my website 
-- A Millers Falls Home Page. If your ads are not removed from ebay by tomorrow 
evening (Thursday night) I will make a formal complaint to ebay. If you persist 
in trying to market this material via any venue (ebay, a website, a self-publish
ing firm, etc.) you should be aware that I have the financial resources to bring
 a lawsuit against you and that I fully intend to do so. At a minimum, you will 
be responsible for my legal fees, court costs and actual damages. The extent of 
actual damages will begin at approximately $15,000 the amount that I have tied u
p in the purchase of original research material. Since 14 years of research have
 gone into compiling the Millers Falls site, I will be seeking additional damage
s as well. These will include reimbursement for trips to research the book, web 
hosting expenses, and lost income from the sale of my forthcoming book. I am ent
irely serious about this. 

I'm distressed to say the least, am extremely bitter and won't be answering any 
e-mail on this topic,

Randy

Randy Roeder
Web site: oldtoolheaven.com
Repaint houses, not old tools.

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>
> Randy
> I wouldn't wait 10 more seconds.
> Unleash the hounds!!
>
> Post the address for reporting theft/fraud to ebay and we will all  
> deluge them.
>
> There are some desperate ways to sabotage any auction............heh  
> heh
>
> Try to find out where the thief lives, and broadcast the street  
> address!!
> Or second best, find out what internet provider they use and go  
> after their basic web service. Nobody loves a thief.
>
>
>  Intellectual property theft is serious business.  Especially  
> cherished material.
>
> I have been extremely proud of you posting this all these years.
>
>  I will not lay down and let someone steal it from all of us.
>   yours Scott

As usual, Scott boils it down to the essentials.  I bet Randy is still  
reading the list a little even if he isn't answering emails.  I know  
we would all LOVE to get involved in any way that would help, so  
Randy, just ask.

Ed Minch
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Certainly do not let this scoundrel spend another second profiting from your
work.

ed
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Will the "Listmoms" permit you to post the name of the individual and the
name of the book so that those of us on this list, stay away from purchasing
said tome?  Many of us cannot resist buying every new tool book we see at
Borders or Barnes & Noble?  If this post is inappropriate, I apologize for
its content.

Tony Z.

On 7/14/10 10:08 PM, "r.roeder@m..."  wrote:

> Galoots,
> 
> The future of the Millers Falls website is in question. An individual whom I
> do not know has appropriated the hand and breasts drills part of the site and
> is marketing it in book format on ebay. Until he desists, I will be pulling
> the site until the legal issues are cleared up. I'm sorry that I feel
> compelled to do this, but this sort of activity is detrimental to the book
> that I am planning.
> 
> Here's a copy of the email I sent to the individual.
> 
> Ok we have a problem. You are marketing content stolen verbatim from my
> website -- A Millers Falls Home Page. If your ads are not removed from ebay by
> tomorrow evening (Thursday night) I will make a formal complaint to ebay. If
> you persist in trying to market this material via any venue (ebay, a website,
> a self-publishing firm, etc.) you should be aware that I have the financial
> resources to bring a lawsuit against you and that I fully intend to do so. At
> a minimum, you will be responsible for my legal fees, court costs and actual
> damages. The extent of actual damages will begin at approximately $15,000 the
> amount that I have tied up in the purchase of original research material.
> Since 14 years of research have gone into compiling the Millers Falls site, I
> will be seeking additional damages as well. These will include reimbursement
> for trips to research the book, web hosting expenses, and lost income from the
> sale of my forthcoming book. I am entirely serious about this.
> 
> I'm distressed to say the least, am extremely bitter and won't be answering
> any e-mail on this topic,
> 
> Randy
> 
> Randy Roeder
> Web site: oldtoolheaven.com
> Repaint houses, not old tools.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool
> aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage,
> value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of
> traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools.
> 
> To change your subscription options:
> http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools
> 
> To read the FAQ:
> http://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html
> 
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> 
> OldTools@r...
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------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

::-----Original Message-----
::From: oldtools-bounces@r... 
::[mailto:oldtools-bounces@r...] On Behalf Of 
::r.roeder@m...
::Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:08 PM
::To: oldtools@r...
::Subject: [OldTools] End of the Millers Falls website?
::
::Galoots,
::
::The future of the Millers Falls website is in question. An 
::individual whom I do not know has appropriated the hand and 
::breasts drills part of the site and is marketing it in book 
::format on ebay. Until he desists, I will be pulling the site 
::until the legal issues are cleared up. I'm sorry that I feel 
::compelled to do this, but this sort of activity is 
::detrimental to the book that I am planning.

1.  Randy should contact a good, aggressive IP litigator - NOW - and have
him send a sternly-worded cease and desist letter to this creep.  

2.  The rest of us should find this creep's auction on eBay and, uh, make
his life "interesting."  

- Bill T.
- Off to search eBay

------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Jul 15, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Bill Taggart wrote:

> - Bill T.
> - Off to search eBay

All:

I looked through all 813 Millers Falls listings (who would have  
thought that there was a Victoria's Secret model named Miller who  
appeared in several fall catalogs) and could not come up with it.   
Anybody?

Ed Minch

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah, I didn't find it either.  Maybe the creep pulled it in response to
Randy's warning.  

- Bill  

::-----Original Message-----
::From: Ed Minch [mailto:ruby@m...] 
::Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:58 AM
::To: Bill Taggart
::Cc: r.roeder@m...; oldtools@r...
::Subject: Re: [OldTools] End of the Millers Falls website?
::
::
::On Jul 15, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Bill Taggart wrote:
::
::> - Bill T.
::> - Off to search eBay
::
::All:
::
::I looked through all 813 Millers Falls listings (who would have  
::thought that there was a Victoria's Secret model named Miller who  
::appeared in several fall catalogs) and could not come up with it.   
::Anybody?

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hopefully Randy issued eBay (or his webhost, wherever it was being sold) a
Takedown Notice
http://www.thelaw.com/guide/how-to-write-send-a-dmca-takedown-notice/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_
Act#Takedown_example
as that is Step 1 and shows the thief that you mean business.

Frankly, I think that taking down the Millers Falls web site weakens Randy's
case (like he has done something wrong). I'm assuming he did so because the
other guy is asserting that his work was prior and Randy stole from him.
Again, I would think that Randy's taking down the site gives the impression
that the other guy is right (or at least emboldens him to continue asserting
such nonsence). IANAL, but if Randy is in the right I don't understand what
is gained by letting the turkey make you change your game.

Darren Addy
Kearney, NE
------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

::-----Original Message-----
::From: oldtools-bounces@r... 
::[mailto:oldtools-bounces@r...] On Behalf Of 
::CheekyGeek
::Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:05 AM
::To: oldtools oldtools
::Subject: Re: [OldTools] End of the Millers Falls website?

::Frankly, I think that taking down the Millers Falls web site 
::weakens Randy's
::case (like he has done something wrong). I'm assuming he did 
::so because the
::other guy is asserting that his work was prior and Randy 
::stole from him.

I'm assuming Randy did it so the guy (or others like him) wouldn't steal
even more material.

::IANAL, but if Randy is in the right I don't 
::understand what
::is gained by letting the turkey make you change your game.

I admit I have similar concerns.  If you know you are in the right, you
should continue what you are doing and take a firm stance against the
infringing creep.

- Bill T.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV, but I've enjoyed the great 
web site that Randy created.

I'd like to find the $%^& who stole his property and put him in the path 
of the armed drug dealers who march across Arizona's southern counties 
with a taped loudspeaker saying nasty things in Spanish.

Bob Hutchins
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Well, I'm going out on a small limb and speaking for Randy, who is frustrated an
d angry and rightly so. The Ebay seller has removed the CD and, luckily, says he
 had not sold any. Ebay is aware of the problem through their customer support l
ine.

Every now and then I have a problem with Ebay sellers grabbing images, even pdf 
files and trying to sell them or use them without permission. It happens in the 
digital world but it's still aggravating. The first time I discovered someone se
lling a pdf from my site, I hit the roof and tore a few extra elimination orific
es in the offending seller. That seller tried to fight back, but Ebay said to ta
ke the item off or be banned.

Unfortunately, digital security is still lousy whether it's a pdf, an image or a
n entire website.

Give things time to simmer down.

Gary
...............................
Gary Roberts
The Toolemera Press - http://toolemera.com
Shop - http://shop.toolemera.com
Blog - http://toolemerablog.typepad.com
Hand Tool Makers - http://handtoolmakers.com

"I'ld rather read a good book, than write a poor one." Christopher Morley

On Jul 15, 2010, at 10:04 AM, CheekyGeek wrote:

Hopefully Randy issued eBay (or his webhost, wherever it was being sold) a
Takedown Notice
http://www.thelaw.com/guide/how-to-write-send-a-dmca-takedown-notice/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_
Act#Takedown_example
as that is Step 1 and shows the thief that you mean business.

Frankly, I think that taking down the Millers Falls web site weakens Randy's
case (like he has done something wrong). I'm assuming he did so because the
other guy is asserting that his work was prior and Randy stole from him.
Again, I would think that Randy's taking down the site gives the impression
that the other guy is right (or at least emboldens him to continue asserting
such nonsence). IANAL, but if Randy is in the right I don't understand what
is gained by letting the turkey make you change your game.

Darren Addy
Kearney, NE
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Gary,

What an I say but thank you. I was absolutely unprepared for this and didn't hav
e a clue about how to go about taking care of it. I pretty much figured that the
 whole thing was hopeless.

I'm going to wait a day or two, and if it looks like he's inactive, I'll re-moun
t the site. I've been ever so slowly going through some of the text-heavy parts 
of the site, proofreading. I hope to be done with this process by the end of Aug
ust and then move on to creating some new content for the would-be book. Proofin
g is slow going, it's hard to maintain that sort of concentration for very long.
 

Randy

Randy Roeder
Web site: oldtoolheaven.com
Repaint houses, not old tools.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Roberts" 
To: "Oldtools" 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 5:48:06 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [OldTools] End of the Millers Falls website?

Well, I'm going out on a small limb and speaking for Randy, who is frustrated an
d angry and rightly so. The Ebay seller has removed the CD and, luckily, says he
 had not sold any. Ebay is aware of the problem through their customer support l
ine.

Every now and then I have a problem with Ebay sellers grabbing images, even pdf 
files and trying to sell them or use them without permission. It happens in the 
digital world but it's still aggravating. The first time I discovered someone se
lling a pdf from my site, I hit the roof and tore a few extra elimination orific
es in the offending seller. That seller tried to fight back, but Ebay said to ta
ke the item off or be banned.

Unfortunately, digital security is still lousy whether it's a pdf, an image or a
n entire website.

Give things time to simmer down.

Gary
...............................
Gary Roberts
The Toolemera Press - http://toolemera.com
Shop - http://shop.toolemera.com
Blog - http://toolemerablog.typepad.com
Hand Tool Makers - http://handtoolmakers.com

"I'ld rather read a good book, than write a poor one." Christopher Morley

On Jul 15, 2010, at 10:04 AM, CheekyGeek wrote:

Hopefully Randy issued eBay (or his webhost, wherever it was being sold) a
Takedown Notice
http://www.thelaw.com/guide/how-to-write-send-a-dmca-takedown-notice/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_
Act#Takedown_example
as that is Step 1 and shows the thief that you mean business.

Frankly, I think that taking down the Millers Falls web site weakens Randy's
case (like he has done something wrong). I'm assuming he did so because the
other guy is asserting that his work was prior and Randy stole from him.
Again, I would think that Randy's taking down the site gives the impression
that the other guy is right (or at least emboldens him to continue asserting
such nonsence). IANAL, but if Randy is in the right I don't understand what
is gained by letting the turkey make you change your game.

Darren Addy
Kearney, NE
------------------------------------------------------------------------

There really is another way to look at this. You have written
valuable enough that somebody thinks they can sell it on eBay. I know
it's frustrating, but that's a Good Thing and bodes well for your
upcoming book.

There are a whole lot of websites in the world that nobody has turned
into PDF and tried to sell.

Mark

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:53 AM,  wrote:
> Gary,
>
> What an I say but thank you. I was absolutely unprepared for this and
> didn't have a clue about how to go about taking care of it. I pretty
> much figured that the whole thing was hopeless.
>
> I'm going to wait a day or two, and if it looks like he's inactive,
> I'll re-mount the site. I've been ever so slowly going through some of
> the text-heavy parts of the site, proofreading. I hope to be done with
> this process by the end of August and then move on to creating some
> new content for the would-be book. Proofing is slow going, it's hard
> to maintain that sort of concentration for very long.
>
>
> Randy
>
> Randy Roeder Web site: oldtoolheaven.com Repaint houses, not
> old tools.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Roberts"  To:
> "Oldtools"  Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 5:48:06 PM
> GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [OldTools] End of the
> Millers Falls website?
>
> Well, I'm going out on a small limb and speaking for Randy, who is
> frustrated and angry and rightly so. The Ebay seller has removed the
> CD and, luckily, says he had not sold any. Ebay is aware of the
> problem through their customer support line.
>
> Every now and then I have a problem with Ebay sellers grabbing images,
> even pdf files and trying to sell them or use them without permission.
> It happens in the digital world but it's still aggravating. The first
> time I discovered someone selling a pdf from my site, I hit the roof
> and tore a few extra elimination orifices in the offending seller.
> That seller tried to fight back, but Ebay said to take the item off or
> be banned.
>
> Unfortunately, digital security is still lousy whether it's a pdf, an
> image or an entire website.
>
> Give things time to simmer down.
>
> Gary ............................... Gary Roberts The Toolemera Press
> - http://toolemera.com Shop - http://shop.toolemera.com Blog -
> http://toolemerablog.typepad.com Hand Tool Makers -
> http://handtoolmakers.com
>
> "I'ld rather read a good book, than write a poor one."
> Christopher Morley
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2010, at 10:04 AM, CheekyGeek wrote:
>
> Hopefully Randy issued eBay (or his webhost, wherever it was being
> > sold) a Takedown Notice http://www.thelaw.com/guide/how-to-write-send-a-dmca
-takedown-
> notice/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Li-
> ability_Limitation_Act#Takedown_example as that is Step 1 and shows
> the thief that you mean business.
>
> Frankly, I think that taking down the Millers Falls web site weakens
> Randy's case (like he has done something wrong). I'm assuming he did
> so because the other guy is asserting that his work was prior and
> Randy stole from him. Again, I would think that Randy's taking down
> the site gives the impression that the other guy is right (or at least
> emboldens him to continue asserting such nonsence). IANAL, but if
> Randy is in the right I don't understand what is gained by letting the
> turkey make you change your game.
>
> Darren Addy Kearney, NE
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
> OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool
> aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage,
> value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of
> traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools.
>
> To change your subscription options:
> http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools
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> To read the FAQ: http://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html
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>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
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> value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of
> traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools.
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> value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of
> traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools.
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--Checkout my book: "Daddy, Can We Play in the Workshop?" http://www.amazon.com/
Daddy-Can-We-Play-
Workshop/dp/1449918573
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Randy, this might be overkill, but consider identifying key phrases or
words in the structure of your site and set up Google Alerts to notify
you if they're found elsewhere on the web. Its like having a whole bunch
of eyes on the web working for you. Cheers, Wes

On Jul 16, 2010, at 9:53 AM, r.roeder@m... wrote:

> Gary,
>> What an I say but thank you. I was absolutely unprepared for this and
>> didn't have a clue about how to go about taking care of it. I pretty
>> much figured that the whole thing was hopeless.
>>----------------------------------------------------------------
>>--------

Yes folks, there is a Santa Claus. The MF Home Page will return in due time. The
 bad guy has removed the listing and understands that he made a very bad mistake
 for which he has apologized. 

And, come *ell or high water, there will be a book. Easy for me to say as Randy 
is doing the greater bulk of the work!

Gary
...............................
Gary Roberts
The Toolemera Press - http://toolemera.com
Shop - http://shop.toolemera.com
Blog - http://toolemerablog.typepad.com
Hand Tool Makers - http://handtoolmakers.com

"I'ld rather read a good book, than write a poor one." Christopher Morley

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