Today I came across a couple of plane irons for which I have no idea as 
to their origin, and can't find plane bodies to fit them. One is a 
Steiner & Sohne skewed and tapered iron 55mm wide, the other a 1-9/16 
Henry Boker iron which looks like it might have come from a wedged block 
plane. So the question - apart from where did� they come from? and where 
do they go? - is whether this is a sign I have too many tools in the 
cave? Not exactly too many tools, which makes no sense, but too many 
tools for my aging brain to keep track of, even with the help of tailed 
remembering and calculating and doing-all-manner-of-things machines, of 
which I may well have too many. Please advise.

Don


-- 

\u201cThe days that make us happy make us wise.\u201d John Masefield

\u201cTo argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, 
and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like 
administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist 
by scripture.\u201d \u2015 Thomas Paine, The American Crisis

Don, 

I have a ton of Stanley bench planes that take 2" irons. Hence I have
no difficulty finding a plane for one of said irons. Same thing with
Vaughan and Bushnell . . .

I actually believe that your difficulty in matching your Steiner &
Sohne skewed iron is that you don't have enough planes for that
particular iron . . . same thing for the Henry Boker iron. 

You should go out immediately and buy more planes, so that you have no
trouble matching those irons. 

Gary Katsanis
Albion New York, USA
(who on reflection is able to understand why I have so many planes)

	-----------------------------------------From: "Don Schwartz" 
To: "old tools list"
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday June 29 2024 7:09:47PM
Subject: [oldtools] is this a sign?

 Today I came across a couple of plane irons for which I have no idea
as
 to their origin, and can't find plane bodies to fit them. One is a
 Steiner & Sohne skewed and tapered iron 55mm wide, the other a 1-9/16
 Henry Boker iron which looks like it might have come from a wedged
block
 plane. So the question - apart from where did they come from? and
where
 do they go? - is whether this is a sign I have too many tools in the
 cave? Not exactly too many tools, which makes no sense, but too many
 tools for my aging brain to keep track of, even with the help of
tailed
 remembering and calculating and doing-all-manner-of-things machines,
of
 which I may well have too many. Please advise.

 Don

 --

 “The days that make us happy make us wise.” John Masefield

 “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of
reason,
 and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is
like
 administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an
atheist
 by scripture.” ― Thomas Paine, The American Crisis

 



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Don wrote:

====
Today I came across a couple of plane irons for which I have no idea as
to their origin, and can't find plane bodies to fit them. One is a 
Steiner & Sohne skewed and tapered iron 55mm wide, the other a 1-9/16 
Henry Boker iron which looks like it might have come from a wedged block 
plane. 
====

The names sound German. Is Wolfgang still listening?

Chuck Taylor
north of Seattle

I think they're both German. Heinrich aka Henry Boker was a very 
productive company. Manufactured in Europe & the US. Shipped everywhere.

Do you think Wolfgang can help me find the planes in the cave?

Don

On 2024-06-29 6:57 p.m., Chuck Taylor wrote:
> Don wrote:
>
> ====
> Today I came across a couple of plane irons for which I have no idea as
> to their origin, and can't find plane bodies to fit them. One is a
> Steiner & Sohne skewed and tapered iron 55mm wide, the other a 1-9/16
> Henry Boker iron which looks like it might have come from a wedged block
> plane.
> ====
>
> The names sound German. Is Wolfgang still listening?
>
> Chuck Taylor
> north of Seattle


-- 

\u201cThe days that make us happy make us wise.\u201d John Masefield

\u201cTo argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, 
and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like 
administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist 
by scripture.\u201d \u2015 Thomas Paine, The American Crisis

On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 at 11:09, Don Schwartz via groups.io
 wrote:
>
>
> Today I came across a couple of plane irons for which I have no idea as
> to their origin, and can't find plane bodies to fit them. One is a
> Steiner & Sohne skewed and tapered iron 55mm wide, the other a 1-9/16

1-9/16", hmmm. Did you mean 40mm? :P

I agree with Gary, you need to buy more planes now, so that you have
more chances to match those lonely irons! :)
The more you buy, the higher the chance....

"Sohne" means "Son" in German. Everything points to German origin.
Henry Boker is a well known German manufacturer.

Oh, just found a wikipedia page about your "Steiner & Sohne":
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos._Steiner_%26_S%C3%B6hne

I used Google translate, as this page doesn't seem to be available in
any other language than German.
"Jos. Steiner & Söhne oHG, later also known as Laupheimer
Werkzeugfabrik AG, was a company that continuously existed from 1859
to 1991 in the production of tools for woodworking in the district of
Biberach in Upper Swab."

Chris

hello list

On 30.06.2024 07:54, Christian Gagneraud wrote:
...
> "Sohne" means "Son" in German. Everything points to German origin.
> Henry Boker is a well known German manufacturer.
> 
> Oh, just found a wikipedia page about your "Steiner & Sohne":
> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos._Steiner_%26_S%C3%B6hne

Someone called Wolfgang -- dunno if that's the possibly listening one 
alluded to earlier in this thread -- runs the excellent site 
holzwerken.de
with a page for
Steiner & Söhne
https://www.holzwerken.de/museum/hersteller/steiner.phtml
and one for
Heinrich Böker
https://www.holzwerken.de/museum/hersteller/boeker.phtml

More details than on the Wikipedia page, feel free to ask questions 
should machine translations fail you.


best
   -d

Don calls for specialist help...


"Well Mr Schwartz,   
You have concerns about too many tools?  And that is why you’ve called in to The
Porch for some specialist help?

Very sensible, we know all about that syndrome here, and over many years of
study we’ve been able to identify various stages of what can be a progressive
disease if not treated early enough.

Let us look at the circumstances in this particular incident.  You say you have
no memory of where these parts came from.  Be reassured that that is a very
common condition we see on The Porch.  Our clients frequently report opening
workshop drawers and finding items that they have absolutely no memory of
placing there.  A whole genre of folk stories exists on the subject, and there
are many cases of claims that ‘little people’ came into the workshop and moved
things.  At the most serious end of this particular spectrum are the cases where
actual work is done or completed overnight, and to be quite frank, these are the
claims of a lunatic.  All right thinking tool aficionados know that work is done
only through the agency of skilled hands.

You ask where they came from and where do they go?  Well, it may come as a bit
of a surprise to you, but there really is an underground, and somewhat secretive
network of tool shifters operating in this country, and with international
links.  They take sometimes intricately shaped lumps of metal and wood, and move
them by hand and even by official services, hand to hand and through postage and
courier systems to where they can do good, and feed the desires of tool
collecting cognoscenti.  We know this network exists, even though the full
extent is often hidden, because the network can be seen around the time of the
December solstice, when packages may mysteriously appear on front porches or
under trees, with the routes and pathways unknown.  Your items may have reached
you by one of these channels, so you should cease to be alarmed, as they have
almost always been shown to be harmless to people, though sometimes they cause a
thinning of wallets in the aftermath.
They may come this way - you may be able to send them into the greater tool
universe the same way.  No cause for alarm there.

Now let’s look at the specifics of your case.  Two (2) irons for planes,
travelling without their bodies like a Dickensian ghost.  Indeed they are
ghosts, ghosts of happier times past, when all plane irons had a body, and all
bodies had an owner, an owner who was frequently so attached that they would
stamp, or burn, or engrave their name to be sure of never being parted.
The answer to your problem becomes simple when viewed in this way.  All you need
do is reach out to your fellows across the globe, those with the matching
ironless bodies, who, like you, will be anxious to re-unite iron and body.  Or
mayhap the ones with an entire plane, anxious to rescue an orphaned iron to have
‘on stand by’ ready for the dreadful day when cutting edge reaches cap iron slot
or adjuster groove and an iron has to go to the great smelter in the sky.

You need only acquire more planes and more planes, and your problem will go
away.  You will look back and laugh at yourself, saying “how silly I was to
worry about where tools come from and go to.  It is not fur us to meddle in
these matters, we merely aid the process by providing stopovers for tools,
resting places where they can get together, mix with their peer groups of sets,
and re-arrange themselves into complete runs by maker or model, until the day
when they are liberated to disperse into other way stations, piling up into
groups, coming and going through their networks, bringing pleasure and
enjoyment, and leaving knowledge, artefacts and furniture as they pass through.

Mr Schwarz, you are as sane* as the rest of us.  Nothing to worry about. Your
Porch is here for you, we’ll help you through this."


Richard Wilson
yorkshireman Galoot in Northumbria




*I prefer ‘Quaint’ myself…





> On 30 Jun 2024, at 00:09, Don Schwartz  wrote:
> 
> 
> Today I came across a couple of plane irons for which I have no idea as to
their origin, and can't find plane bodies to fit them. One is a Steiner & Sohne
skewed and tapered iron 55mm wide, the other a 1-9/16 Henry Boker iron which
looks like it might have come from a wedged block plane. So the question - apart
from where did  they come from? and where do they go? - is whether this is a
sign I have too many tools in the cave? Not exactly too many tools, which makes
no sense, but too many tools for my aging brain to keep track of, even with the
help of tailed remembering and calculating and doing-all-manner-of-things
machines, of which I may well have too many. Please advise.
> 
> Don
> 



-- 
Yorkshireman Galoot
in the most northerly county, farther north even than Yorkshire
IT #300

All bow to Richard Wilson, fount of sage advice!

Well, and here I thought when I asked 'Is this a sign?' that perhaps I 
had too many things in the shop, that the accumulation of the years was 
impeding my search. I now understand that I was confused, that that was 
not the case, but that rather, I was simply lacking some essential 
components of the tools of which the irons form a part.� I stand 
corrected. Many thanks for the guidance. I will endeavour to do better..

Gratefully yours,
Don


On 2024-06-30 10:43 a.m., yorkshireman@y... wrote:
> Don calls for specialist help...
>
>
> "Well Mr Schwartz,
> You have concerns about too many tools?  And that is why you\u2019ve called in
to The Porch for some specialist help?
>
> Very sensible, we know all about that syndrome here, and over many years of
study we\u2019ve been able to identify various stages of what can be a
progressive disease if not treated early enough.
>
> Let us look at the circumstances in this particular incident.  You say you
have no memory of where these parts came from.  Be reassured that that is a very
common condition we see on The Porch.  Our clients frequently report opening
workshop drawers and finding items that they have absolutely no memory of
placing there.  A whole genre of folk stories exists on the subject, and there
are many cases of claims that \u2018little people\u2019 came into the workshop
and moved things.  At the most serious end of this particular spectrum are the
cases where actual work is done or completed overnight, and to be quite frank,
these are the claims of a lunatic.  All right thinking tool aficionados know
that work is done only through the agency of skilled hands.
>
> You ask where they came from and where do they go?  Well, it may come as a bit
of a surprise to you, but there really is an underground, and somewhat secretive
network of tool shifters operating in this country, and with international
links.  They take sometimes intricately shaped lumps of metal and wood, and move
them by hand and even by official services, hand to hand and through postage and
courier systems to where they can do good, and feed the desires of tool
collecting cognoscenti.  We know this network exists, even though the full
extent is often hidden, because the network can be seen around the time of the
December solstice, when packages may mysteriously appear on front porches or
under trees, with the routes and pathways unknown.  Your items may have reached
you by one of these channels, so you should cease to be alarmed, as they have
almost always been shown to be harmless to people, though sometimes they cause a
thinning of wallets in the aftermath.
> They may come this way - you may be able to send them into the greater tool
universe the same way.  No cause for alarm there.
>
> Now let\u2019s look at the specifics of your case.  Two (2) irons for planes,
travelling without their bodies like a Dickensian ghost.  Indeed they are
ghosts, ghosts of happier times past, when all plane irons had a body, and all
bodies had an owner, an owner who was frequently so attached that they would
stamp, or burn, or engrave their name to be sure of never being parted.
> The answer to your problem becomes simple when viewed in this way.  All you
need do is reach out to your fellows across the globe, those with the matching
ironless bodies, who, like you, will be anxious to re-unite iron and body.  Or
mayhap the ones with an entire plane, anxious to rescue an orphaned iron to have
\u2018on stand by\u2019 ready for the dreadful day when cutting edge reaches cap
iron slot or adjuster groove and an iron has to go to the great smelter in the
sky.
>
> You need only acquire more planes and more planes, and your problem will go
away.  You will look back and laugh at yourself, saying \u201chow silly I was to
worry about where tools come from and go to.  It is not fur us to meddle in
these matters, we merely aid the process by providing stopovers for tools,
resting places where they can get together, mix with their peer groups of sets,
and re-arrange themselves into complete runs by maker or model, until the day
when they are liberated to disperse into other way stations, piling up into
groups, coming and going through their networks, bringing pleasure and
enjoyment, and leaving knowledge, artefacts and furniture as they pass through.
>
> Mr Schwarz, you are as sane* as the rest of us.  Nothing to worry about. Your
Porch is here for you, we\u2019ll help you through this."
>
>
> Richard Wilson
> yorkshireman Galoot in Northumbria
>
>
>
>
> *I prefer \u2018Quaint\u2019 myself\u2026
>
>
>
>
>
>> On 30 Jun 2024, at 00:09, Don Schwartz  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Today I came across a couple of plane irons for which I have no idea as to
their origin, and can't find plane bodies to fit them. One is a Steiner & Sohne
skewed and tapered iron 55mm wide, the other a 1-9/16 Henry Boker iron which
looks like it might have come from a wedged block plane. So the question - apart
from where did  they come from? and where do they go? - is whether this is a
sign I have too many tools in the cave? Not exactly too many tools, which makes
no sense, but too many tools for my aging brain to keep track of, even with the
help of tailed remembering and calculating and doing-all-manner-of-things
machines, of which I may well have too many. Please advise.
>>
>> Don
>>

-- 

\u201cThe days that make us happy make us wise.\u201d John Masefield

\u201cTo argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, 
and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like 
administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist 
by scripture.\u201d \u2015 Thomas Paine, The American Crisis

A number of years ago I picked up a Stanley type 8 at nearly no money. 
Good plane!  But where all my other Stanley planed are Japanned black,
this plane was maroon.  Now I find a Stanley 220 block plane, also
maroon.  

Did Stanley use maroon at some time rather than black? 

Mike in Woodland

Mike,

They did, though I'm not sure of the time frame. My #5 1/4 is maroon. The
tote has some sharp edges rather than being smoothly rounded. I think this
was probably sometime post WWII, possibly well after the war.

-Ken

On Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 5:37 PM Michael Blair via groups.io  wrote:

Speaking of Black Japan finish, I forgot where folks get it?  There used 
to be a farm latch and hinge factory in Albany, WI.   Rust Latch 
factory.  They Japanned everything.  They coated stuff all day long, 
then at 1600 they turned on the baking oven and hardened stuff up.  
Smell was pleasant, annoyed some folks.  I bought a lot of old pattern 
making stuff from Mr. Rust, for not much money.  It was all belt driven 
so I took it out to my Amish buddy for his wood shop. He was tickled!

So, where to get good Japan black?

God bless,
Mike

A very good Japanning product is available from Greg Ricketts via his
APlaneLife website. He developed a modernized recipe after examining numerous
commercial and industrial products.
https://aplanelife.us/products-for-sale

Bob PageIn da U.P. of Michiganwww.loonlaketoolworks.com


    On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 08:48:09 PM EDT, Mike Rock 
wrote:
 
 Speaking of Black Japan finish, I forgot where folks get it?  There used 
to be a farm latch and hinge factory in Albany, WI.   Rust Latch 
factory.  They Japanned everything.  They coated stuff all day long, 
then at 1600 they turned on the baking oven and hardened stuff up.  
Smell was pleasant, annoyed some folks.  I bought a lot of old pattern 
making stuff from Mr. Rust, for not much money.  It was all belt driven 
so I took it out to my Amish buddy for his wood shop. He was tickled!

So, where to get good Japan black?

God bless,
Mike

They were still making them in blue into the late 1960s. Maroon came
after that. In my experience, the blue planes were okay. But I had one
maroon plane with an aluminum frog where I just could not stop the
corrosion. Finally in frustration, I disassembled the plane, threw the
frog out, and used the main casting as a sacrificial anode in my zap
tank, where it is still slowly dissolving to this day. 

You might be interested in this.
https://hyperkitten.com/tools/stanley_bench_plane/type_study.php

YMMV. And I can't argue with results. If it works for you, then it
works. Period. 

Gary Katsanis
Albion New York, USA

	-----------------------------------------From: "Kenneth Stagg" 
To: branson2@s...
Cc: "Don Schwartz", "old tools list"
Sent: Sunday June 30 2024 8:40:57PM
Subject: Re: [oldtools] Stanley maroon?

 Mike,

 They did, though I'm not sure of the time frame. My #5 1/4 is maroon.
The
 tote has some sharp edges rather than being smoothly rounded. I think
this
 was probably sometime post WWII, possibly well after the war.

 -Ken

 On Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 5:37 PM Michael Blair via groups.io  wrote:

 > A number of years ago I picked up a Stanley type 8 at nearly no
money.
 > Good plane! But where all my other Stanley planed are Japanned
black,
 > this plane was maroon. Now I find a Stanley 220 block plane, also
 > maroon.
 >
 > Did Stanley use maroon at some time rather than black?
 >
 > Mike in Woodland
 >
 >
 >

 



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Mike asked

====
A number of years ago I picked up a Stanley type 8 at nearly no money.
Good plane!  But where all my other Stanley planed are Japanned black,
this plane was maroon.  Now I find a Stanley 220 block plane, also
maroon.  

Did Stanley use maroon at some time rather than black? 
=====

Stanley called that color "cordovan." From what I can find, they were produced
from 1968 to 1981.

www.timetestedtools.net/2017/07/13/the-stanley-cordovan-era/

After that came blue.

Cheers,
Chuck Taylor
north of Seattle USA

Sure know where 'da Upers' are....  I'm six hours south...  We had a 
great birch bark canoe making session up there, on the WI side of the 
line at Port Wing.....home of a great smoke house for fish.......they 
ship all over the US......  getting hungry now!!

Thanks for the information on Greg, will get some from him.

God bless,
Mike

Bob,
Thank you!!  That is one great site for learning about Japanning......  
great stuff!!!

God bless,
Mike

Doesn't explain the maroon on a type 8 #5.  

Mike in Woodland

> Stanley called that color "cordovan." From what I can find, they were produced
from 1968 to 1981.
> 
> www.timetestedtools.net/2017/07/13/the-stanley-cordovan-era/ [1]
 

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Doesn't work for my #5 from the 1880s, low knob, smoothly rounded tote. 
So I'm still in the dark here. 

Mike in Woodland

I don’t know my type study stuff that well*, but what are the odds someone
put type 8 running gear on a newer cordovan maroon sole?  None of the
reputable sites have a reference to maroon or cordovan tied to type 8,
except some noob asking about his plane with cheap adjusters, etc.

 * not enough to know what markings are supposed to be on the sole in type
8 vs 21.  I know the hardware is all interchangeable til Made in England.
Just something I never cared about.

Kirk in HMB, who reassembled a 32# drill press vise, and a Record 04 1/2
yesterday, due to similar reasons, but fixed differently.

Sent from my iPad, apologies for the Auto Correct errors. Kirk


On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 4:35 AM Michael Blair  wrote:

> Doesn't work for my #5 from the 1880s, low knob, smoothly rounded tote.
> So I'm still in the dark here.
>
> Mike in Woodland
>
> On 2024-06-30 17:40, Kenneth Stagg wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > They did, though I'm not sure of the time frame. My #5 1/4 is maroon. The
> > tote has some sharp edges rather than being smoothly rounded. I think
> this
> > was probably sometime post WWII, possibly well after the war.
> >
> > -Ken
>
>
> 
>
>
>


-- 
Kirk Eppler in Half Moon Bay, CA 

> Doesn't work for my #5 from the 1880s, low knob, smoothly rounded tote.
> So I'm still in the dark here.
>
>
>
> If your 5 has all the signs of a type 8 and including good rosewood furniture
> Then someone liked the "new" maroon color and painted their plane to match.
>
> Stanley did the same as Ford for over 100 years. Any color you want so long as
its black
yours scott

  *******************************
    Scott Grandstaff
    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
    scottg@s...
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html

Re checking, it's a type 6, and the frog is maroon as well.  So I guess
somebody repainted it with the maroon stuff.

>what are the odds someone put type 8 running gear on a newer cordovan maroon
sole?

Mike in Woodland

(grumbling) Pictures sure would help!

Gary Katsanis
Albion New York, USA

	-----------------------------------------From: "Michael Blair" 

To: "Kirk Eppler"
Cc: "Don Schwartz", "Kenneth Stagg", "old tools list"
Sent: Monday July 1 2024 12:18:48PM
Subject: Re: [oldtools] Stanley maroon?

 Re checking, it's a type 6, and the frog is maroon as well. So I
guess
 somebody repainted it with the maroon stuff.

 >what are the odds someone put type 8 running gear on a newer
cordovan maroon sole?

 Mike in Woodland

 



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Don't have pictures, digital camera doesn't work, and i don't wanna pay
for a program to post here.  

Mike in Woodland

I have a Chaplins improved jack that is candy emerald green metallic. 
Wait'll the next generation gets a load of this!!


I get bored of plain black, so kill me haahahahahahaha
S

-- 
*******************************
    Scott Grandstaff
    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
    scottg@s...
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html

Fella at a local paint store has a couple of Chaplins -- smoother and a
#6 sized plane.  Belonged to his grandfather.  Sadly, neither is candy
Parisian Green.  

Mike in Woodland

All
Not being so rude as to call someone out for having tools he does not
recognize, recall getting, or knowing where they go (Hi Pot, I'm  Kettle),
I am far more inclined to wonder where they go. Since I have not seen pix
or a description of  the geometry, let's go off in the weeds.

On Sat, Jun 29, 2024 at 4:09 PM Don Schwartz  wrote:

>
> Today I came across a couple of plane irons for which I have no idea as to
> their origin, and can't find plane bodies to fit them. One is a Steiner &
> Sohne skewed and tapered iron 55mm wide


This could have come from a skewed rabbet type plane, masquerading as a
badger plane.
https://kirkhmb.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Woodworking-Tools/i-hmZvJt7

 At 55mm wide, it would be wider than my widest wooden rabbet at 2".  (Note
subtle Alameda Flea reference here?)
https://kirkhmb.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Woodworking-Tools/i-GkLQMhX

Or it could have come from something like my wooden shooting board plane,
seen here.  At 55mm,it's only a bit smaller than mine.  You could easily
build a plane around that blade. (I'm so generous with other people's time)
https://kirkhmb.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Woodworking-Tools/i-p8nfrXr

And a bit off in right field, here is a Leon Robbins smoother with a big
fat skew blade, that I found separate laying on a table (again at Alameda)
and I was going to grab it, when I saw the plane a foot away, with no blade
and no wedge.  Guy let it go cheap.  Both of these came from Alameda, 2017
& 2023. Not subtle this time.
https://kirkhmb.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Tools/Leon-Robbins-Planes/i-nJHLc5z

, the other a 1-9/16 Henry Boker iron which looks like it might have come
> from a wedged block
> plane.

Again, single or double iron not withstanding, at 1-1/2" +, it fits in the
small end of my bench planes, like this horned smoother with only  a 1-1/8"
wide blade (Alameda again)
https://kirkhmb.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Woodworking-Tools/i-fqcLB8V

The horned scrub here has a 1-1/4" blade (same pic as above, from a Flea in
Petersplatz Basel
https://kirkhmb.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Woodworking-Tools/i-p8nfrXr

Somewhere I have a 7/8" wide compass coffin plane, then others starting at
1 7/8 inch blades, so would not surprise me if there were sizes in between,
no pics handy, since I bought it off GAry Roberts



> So the question - apart from where did  they come from? and where do they
> go?

See above, hope these clues give you some places to look at in your
existing inventory, or planes to go buy in the future, hoping the blades
fit.

- is whether this is a sign I have too many tools in the cave?

Horrors no

Not exactly too many tools, which makes no sense, but too many tools for my
> aging brain to keep track of, even with the help of tailed remembering and
> calculating and doing-all-manner-of-things machines, of
> which I may well have too many. Please advise.
>
> I use my picture index, linked above, and a google sheet with many tabs,
that I can access from home, work and my phone, as a way to help keep
track.  And the g sheet has a tab for spare blades, cuz I grab them
whenever I see strays about

Kettle, in Half Moon Bay, CA, who is almost done getting my Record 04 1/2
into fine working shape, the blade and chip breaker still need a bit of
rust removal, the blade is almost sharp.


-- 
Kirk Eppler in Half Moon Bay, CA 

scottg  wrote:
  I have a Chaplins improved jack that is candy emerald green metallic.  
Wait'll the next generation gets a load of this!!


Himself:  Scott Grandstaff

  
 Multiple pix or it ain't so. You know this rule...

        yr pl gam in OlyWA/USA


"If you were Einstein's father, we wouldn't have the bomb." Peggy Hill

GG's,

The Liberty Paint Co has been a long time supplier of genuine Japanning.
 They've taken the uncertainty out of hazmat charges for continental USA
shipping by setting a fixed price which includes shipping.

Pontypool Japanning Asphaltum Paint (
http://www.libertyonthehudson.com/pontypool.html )
libertyonthehudson.com ( http://www.libertyonthehudson.com/pontypool.html )
( http://www.libertyonthehudson.com/pontypool.html )

( http://www.libertyonthehudson.com/pontypool.html )

My question about the Cordovan-colored Stanley planes is:

"Is the Cordovan color a _true_ "japanning", or is it just a paint ?"

I've found truth in the Porch wisdom that black Krylon spray paint is almost
indistinguishable from true Stanley black japanning.

Is there an established way to refinish the Cordovan planes in a correct color
and gloss?

John Ruth
Metuchen NJ
Recalling, in awe, some of the photos of Scott G.'s fabulous "candy apple" paint
applications.  The man can make the most humble Stanley cast aluminum utility
knife into a work of art!

Honestly John Ruth;

No one has looked in to restoring Stanley 'Cordovan' to its correct color and
gloss on account of
it would be  SO wrong to re-finish the cordovan jobbies to original spec.
 
I'm pretty sure we're going with emerald green metallick and 
racoon tails, with LEDs on the toes and tails. 

     and yes, I'm ducking and yes, I'm running.
            
                 gam in OlyWA/USA
 



How horrible it is to have so many people killed!---And what a blessing one
cares for none of them! 
Jane Austen 

    On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 01:36:47 PM PDT, John Ruth 
wrote:
 
 GG's,

The Liberty Paint Co has been a long time supplier of genuine Japanning.
 They've taken the uncertainty out of hazmat charges for continental USA
shipping by setting a fixed price which includes shipping.

Pontypool Japanning Asphaltum Paint (
http://www.libertyonthehudson.com/pontypool.html )
libertyonthehudson.com ( http://www.libertyonthehudson.com/pontypool.html )
( http://www.libertyonthehudson.com/pontypool.html )

( http://www.libertyonthehudson.com/pontypool.html )

My question about the Cordovan-colored Stanley planes is:

"Is the Cordovan color a _true_ "japanning", or is it just a paint ?"

I've found truth in the Porch wisdom that black Krylon spray paint is almost
indistinguishable from true Stanley black japanning.

Is there an established way to refinish the Cordovan planes in a correct color
and gloss?

John Ruth
Metuchen NJ
Recalling, in awe, some of the photos of Scott G.'s fabulous "candy apple" paint
applications.  The man can make the most humble Stanley cast aluminum utility
knife into a work of art!

Might be an easy test, Japanning is a bear to remove, paint should come off
with lacquer.  I think Japanning might just lose its gloss.

Kirk in Half Moon Bay, CA

On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 1:36 PM John Ruth  wrote:

>
>
> My question about the Cordovan-colored Stanley planes is:
>
> "Is the Cordovan color a _true_ "japanning", or is it just a paint ?"
>
> I've found truth in the Porch wisdom that black Krylon spray paint is
> almost indistinguishable from true Stanley black japanning.
>
>
>
>


-- 
Kirk Eppler in Half Moon Bay, CA 

That should have been lacquer THINNER to remove paint, not japanning.

KE

On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 2:49 PM Kirk Eppler via groups.io  wrote:

> Might be an easy test, Japanning is a bear to remove, paint should come off
> with lacquer.  I think Japanning might just lose its gloss.
>
> Kirk in Half Moon Bay, CA
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 1:36 PM John Ruth  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > My question about the Cordovan-colored Stanley planes is:
> >
> > "Is the Cordovan color a _true_ "japanning", or is it just a paint ?"
> >
> > I've found truth in the Porch wisdom that black Krylon spray paint is
> > almost indistinguishable from true Stanley black japanning.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Kirk Eppler in Half Moon Bay, CA 
>
>
> 
>
>
>

-- 
Kirk Eppler
*Planned Time Off*
*Nothing Planned*
Technical Development Staff Scientist
Pharm Dev Processing
eppler.kirk@g...
650 225-3911


-- 
Kirk Eppler in Half Moon Bay, CA 

Chuck wrote:

====
The names sound German. Is Wolfgang still listening?
====

I am still listening.  I can help with information about Steiner and 
Böker, but other than that I have the same "problem" as Don.

https://www.holzwerken.de/museum/hersteller/steiner.phtml
https://www.holzwerken.de/museum/hersteller/boeker.phtml

Wolfgang

I use Electrolysis to remove to remove rust and have found by leaving japanned
parts and extra day (normal time 24 hours) the finish lifts off.
This is in the experimenting state refinishing with a homemade Black Japan
recipe on planes I use myself.  So far it seems to be working.
I will update later this year.
Patrick

GG's:

Anybody with a Stanley Cordovan plane and a color chart for the RAL colorspace?

I'm wondering if it is near RAL 8017, Rotbraun. ( Red Brown )

John Ruth

So, I found a Stanley "maroon" 220 (nice condition, actually sharp)
Arrived yesterday.  Now in some photos the color looks maroon.  In real
life, no.  There's a reason Stanley called the color "cordovan"  -- it's
definitely a brown.  Nowhere near the color of my #5.  Somebody a
hundred years ago wanted a maroon plane, and made it so.  Now it's mine.


Mike in Woodland

we were doing a cleanout of a retired blacksmith/machinst in berkeley this
last couple of sundays, and in doing so came across a 42ss sawset.  maroon,
made in canada.  not sure exactly the date, but it would shock me if it was
past 1980.  the instructions were in the box, they might have had the date
on it...

bill
felton, ca

On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 9:08 AM Michael Blair via groups.io  wrote: