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278583 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2024‑06‑29 | is this a sign? |
Today I came across a couple of plane irons for which I have no idea as to their origin, and can't find plane bodies to fit them. One is a Steiner & Sohne skewed and tapered iron 55mm wide, the other a 1-9/16 Henry Boker iron which looks like it might have come from a wedged block plane. So the question - apart from where did� they come from? and where do they go? - is whether this is a sign I have too many tools in the cave? Not exactly too many tools, which makes no sense, but too many tools for my aging brain to keep track of, even with the help of tailed remembering and calculating and doing-all-manner-of-things machines, of which I may well have too many. Please advise. Don -- \u201cThe days that make us happy make us wise.\u201d John Masefield \u201cTo argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.\u201d \u2015 Thomas Paine, The American Crisis |
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278584 | gtgrouch@r... | 2024‑06‑30 | Re: is this a sign? |
Don, I have a ton of Stanley bench planes that take 2" irons. Hence I have no difficulty finding a plane for one of said irons. Same thing with Vaughan and Bushnell . . . I actually believe that your difficulty in matching your Steiner & Sohne skewed iron is that you don't have enough planes for that particular iron . . . same thing for the Henry Boker iron. You should go out immediately and buy more planes, so that you have no trouble matching those irons. Gary Katsanis Albion New York, USA (who on reflection is able to understand why I have so many planes) -----------------------------------------From: "Don Schwartz" To: "old tools list" Cc: Sent: Saturday June 29 2024 7:09:47PM Subject: [oldtools] is this a sign? Today I came across a couple of plane irons for which I have no idea as to their origin, and can't find plane bodies to fit them. One is a Steiner & Sohne skewed and tapered iron 55mm wide, the other a 1-9/16 Henry Boker iron which looks like it might have come from a wedged block plane. So the question - apart from where did they come from? and where do they go? - is whether this is a sign I have too many tools in the cave? Not exactly too many tools, which makes no sense, but too many tools for my aging brain to keep track of, even with the help of tailed remembering and calculating and doing-all-manner-of-things machines, of which I may well have too many. Please advise. Don -- “The days that make us happy make us wise.” John Masefield “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.” ― Thomas Paine, The American Crisis Links: ------ [1] https://groups.io/g/oldtools/unsub |
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278585 | Chuck Taylor | 2024‑06‑30 | Re: is this a sign? |
Don wrote: ==== Today I came across a couple of plane irons for which I have no idea as to their origin, and can't find plane bodies to fit them. One is a Steiner & Sohne skewed and tapered iron 55mm wide, the other a 1-9/16 Henry Boker iron which looks like it might have come from a wedged block plane. ==== The names sound German. Is Wolfgang still listening? Chuck Taylor north of Seattle |
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278586 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2024‑06‑30 | Re: is this a sign? |
I think they're both German. Heinrich aka Henry Boker was a very productive company. Manufactured in Europe & the US. Shipped everywhere. Do you think Wolfgang can help me find the planes in the cave? Don On 2024-06-29 6:57 p.m., Chuck Taylor wrote: > Don wrote: > > ==== > Today I came across a couple of plane irons for which I have no idea as > to their origin, and can't find plane bodies to fit them. One is a > Steiner & Sohne skewed and tapered iron 55mm wide, the other a 1-9/16 > Henry Boker iron which looks like it might have come from a wedged block > plane. > ==== > > The names sound German. Is Wolfgang still listening? > > Chuck Taylor > north of Seattle -- \u201cThe days that make us happy make us wise.\u201d John Masefield \u201cTo argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.\u201d \u2015 Thomas Paine, The American Crisis |
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278587 | Christian Gagneraud <chgans@g...> | 2024‑06‑30 | Re: is this a sign? |
On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 at 11:09, Don Schwartz via groups.io |
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278590 | David Adler <d.adler@p...> | 2024‑06‑30 | Re: is this a sign? |
hello list On 30.06.2024 07:54, Christian Gagneraud wrote: ... > "Sohne" means "Son" in German. Everything points to German origin. > Henry Boker is a well known German manufacturer. > > Oh, just found a wikipedia page about your "Steiner & Sohne": > https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos._Steiner_%26_S%C3%B6hne Someone called Wolfgang -- dunno if that's the possibly listening one alluded to earlier in this thread -- runs the excellent site holzwerken.de with a page for Steiner & Söhne https://www.holzwerken.de/museum/hersteller/steiner.phtml and one for Heinrich Böker https://www.holzwerken.de/museum/hersteller/boeker.phtml More details than on the Wikipedia page, feel free to ask questions should machine translations fail you. best -d |
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278591 | Richard Wilson <yorkshireman@y...> | 2024‑06‑30 | Re: is this a sign? |
Don calls for specialist help... "Well Mr Schwartz, You have concerns about too many tools? And that is why you’ve called in to The Porch for some specialist help? Very sensible, we know all about that syndrome here, and over many years of study we’ve been able to identify various stages of what can be a progressive disease if not treated early enough. Let us look at the circumstances in this particular incident. You say you have no memory of where these parts came from. Be reassured that that is a very common condition we see on The Porch. Our clients frequently report opening workshop drawers and finding items that they have absolutely no memory of placing there. A whole genre of folk stories exists on the subject, and there are many cases of claims that ‘little people’ came into the workshop and moved things. At the most serious end of this particular spectrum are the cases where actual work is done or completed overnight, and to be quite frank, these are the claims of a lunatic. All right thinking tool aficionados know that work is done only through the agency of skilled hands. You ask where they came from and where do they go? Well, it may come as a bit of a surprise to you, but there really is an underground, and somewhat secretive network of tool shifters operating in this country, and with international links. They take sometimes intricately shaped lumps of metal and wood, and move them by hand and even by official services, hand to hand and through postage and courier systems to where they can do good, and feed the desires of tool collecting cognoscenti. We know this network exists, even though the full extent is often hidden, because the network can be seen around the time of the December solstice, when packages may mysteriously appear on front porches or under trees, with the routes and pathways unknown. Your items may have reached you by one of these channels, so you should cease to be alarmed, as they have almost always been shown to be harmless to people, though sometimes they cause a thinning of wallets in the aftermath. They may come this way - you may be able to send them into the greater tool universe the same way. No cause for alarm there. Now let’s look at the specifics of your case. Two (2) irons for planes, travelling without their bodies like a Dickensian ghost. Indeed they are ghosts, ghosts of happier times past, when all plane irons had a body, and all bodies had an owner, an owner who was frequently so attached that they would stamp, or burn, or engrave their name to be sure of never being parted. The answer to your problem becomes simple when viewed in this way. All you need do is reach out to your fellows across the globe, those with the matching ironless bodies, who, like you, will be anxious to re-unite iron and body. Or mayhap the ones with an entire plane, anxious to rescue an orphaned iron to have ‘on stand by’ ready for the dreadful day when cutting edge reaches cap iron slot or adjuster groove and an iron has to go to the great smelter in the sky. You need only acquire more planes and more planes, and your problem will go away. You will look back and laugh at yourself, saying “how silly I was to worry about where tools come from and go to. It is not fur us to meddle in these matters, we merely aid the process by providing stopovers for tools, resting places where they can get together, mix with their peer groups of sets, and re-arrange themselves into complete runs by maker or model, until the day when they are liberated to disperse into other way stations, piling up into groups, coming and going through their networks, bringing pleasure and enjoyment, and leaving knowledge, artefacts and furniture as they pass through. Mr Schwarz, you are as sane* as the rest of us. Nothing to worry about. Your Porch is here for you, we’ll help you through this." Richard Wilson yorkshireman Galoot in Northumbria *I prefer ‘Quaint’ myself… > On 30 Jun 2024, at 00:09, Don Schwartz |
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278592 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2024‑06‑30 | Re: is this a sign? |
All bow to Richard Wilson, fount of sage advice! |
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278593 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2024‑06‑30 | Re: is this a sign? |
Well, and here I thought when I asked 'Is this a sign?' that perhaps I had too many things in the shop, that the accumulation of the years was impeding my search. I now understand that I was confused, that that was not the case, but that rather, I was simply lacking some essential components of the tools of which the irons form a part.� I stand corrected. Many thanks for the guidance. I will endeavour to do better.. Gratefully yours, Don On 2024-06-30 10:43 a.m., yorkshireman@y... wrote: > Don calls for specialist help... > > > "Well Mr Schwartz, > You have concerns about too many tools? And that is why you\u2019ve called in to The Porch for some specialist help? > > Very sensible, we know all about that syndrome here, and over many years of study we\u2019ve been able to identify various stages of what can be a progressive disease if not treated early enough. > > Let us look at the circumstances in this particular incident. You say you have no memory of where these parts came from. Be reassured that that is a very common condition we see on The Porch. Our clients frequently report opening workshop drawers and finding items that they have absolutely no memory of placing there. A whole genre of folk stories exists on the subject, and there are many cases of claims that \u2018little people\u2019 came into the workshop and moved things. At the most serious end of this particular spectrum are the cases where actual work is done or completed overnight, and to be quite frank, these are the claims of a lunatic. All right thinking tool aficionados know that work is done only through the agency of skilled hands. > > You ask where they came from and where do they go? Well, it may come as a bit of a surprise to you, but there really is an underground, and somewhat secretive network of tool shifters operating in this country, and with international links. They take sometimes intricately shaped lumps of metal and wood, and move them by hand and even by official services, hand to hand and through postage and courier systems to where they can do good, and feed the desires of tool collecting cognoscenti. We know this network exists, even though the full extent is often hidden, because the network can be seen around the time of the December solstice, when packages may mysteriously appear on front porches or under trees, with the routes and pathways unknown. Your items may have reached you by one of these channels, so you should cease to be alarmed, as they have almost always been shown to be harmless to people, though sometimes they cause a thinning of wallets in the aftermath. > They may come this way - you may be able to send them into the greater tool universe the same way. No cause for alarm there. > > Now let\u2019s look at the specifics of your case. Two (2) irons for planes, travelling without their bodies like a Dickensian ghost. Indeed they are ghosts, ghosts of happier times past, when all plane irons had a body, and all bodies had an owner, an owner who was frequently so attached that they would stamp, or burn, or engrave their name to be sure of never being parted. > The answer to your problem becomes simple when viewed in this way. All you need do is reach out to your fellows across the globe, those with the matching ironless bodies, who, like you, will be anxious to re-unite iron and body. Or mayhap the ones with an entire plane, anxious to rescue an orphaned iron to have \u2018on stand by\u2019 ready for the dreadful day when cutting edge reaches cap iron slot or adjuster groove and an iron has to go to the great smelter in the sky. > > You need only acquire more planes and more planes, and your problem will go away. You will look back and laugh at yourself, saying \u201chow silly I was to worry about where tools come from and go to. It is not fur us to meddle in these matters, we merely aid the process by providing stopovers for tools, resting places where they can get together, mix with their peer groups of sets, and re-arrange themselves into complete runs by maker or model, until the day when they are liberated to disperse into other way stations, piling up into groups, coming and going through their networks, bringing pleasure and enjoyment, and leaving knowledge, artefacts and furniture as they pass through. > > Mr Schwarz, you are as sane* as the rest of us. Nothing to worry about. Your Porch is here for you, we\u2019ll help you through this." > > > Richard Wilson > yorkshireman Galoot in Northumbria > > > > > *I prefer \u2018Quaint\u2019 myself\u2026 > > > > > >> On 30 Jun 2024, at 00:09, Don Schwartz |
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278594 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
A number of years ago I picked up a Stanley type 8 at nearly no money. Good plane! But where all my other Stanley planed are Japanned black, this plane was maroon. Now I find a Stanley 220 block plane, also maroon. Did Stanley use maroon at some time rather than black? Mike in Woodland |
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278595 | Kenneth Stagg <kenneth.stagg@g...> | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
Mike, They did, though I'm not sure of the time frame. My #5 1/4 is maroon. The tote has some sharp edges rather than being smoothly rounded. I think this was probably sometime post WWII, possibly well after the war. -Ken On Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 5:37 PM Michael Blair via groups.io |
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278596 | Mike Rock <mikerock@m...> | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
Speaking of Black Japan finish, I forgot where folks get it? There used to be a farm latch and hinge factory in Albany, WI. Rust Latch factory. They Japanned everything. They coated stuff all day long, then at 1600 they turned on the baking oven and hardened stuff up. Smell was pleasant, annoyed some folks. I bought a lot of old pattern making stuff from Mr. Rust, for not much money. It was all belt driven so I took it out to my Amish buddy for his wood shop. He was tickled! So, where to get good Japan black? God bless, Mike |
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278597 | Bob Page | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
A very good Japanning product is available from Greg Ricketts via his APlaneLife website. He developed a modernized recipe after examining numerous commercial and industrial products. https://aplanelife.us/products-for-sale Bob PageIn da U.P. of Michiganwww.loonlaketoolworks.com On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 08:48:09 PM EDT, Mike Rock |
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278598 | gtgrouch@r... | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
They were still making them in blue into the late 1960s. Maroon came after that. In my experience, the blue planes were okay. But I had one maroon plane with an aluminum frog where I just could not stop the corrosion. Finally in frustration, I disassembled the plane, threw the frog out, and used the main casting as a sacrificial anode in my zap tank, where it is still slowly dissolving to this day. You might be interested in this. https://hyperkitten.com/tools/stanley_bench_plane/type_study.php YMMV. And I can't argue with results. If it works for you, then it works. Period. Gary Katsanis Albion New York, USA -----------------------------------------From: "Kenneth Stagg" To: branson2@s... Cc: "Don Schwartz", "old tools list" Sent: Sunday June 30 2024 8:40:57PM Subject: Re: [oldtools] Stanley maroon? Mike, They did, though I'm not sure of the time frame. My #5 1/4 is maroon. The tote has some sharp edges rather than being smoothly rounded. I think this was probably sometime post WWII, possibly well after the war. -Ken On Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 5:37 PM Michael Blair via groups.io wrote: > A number of years ago I picked up a Stanley type 8 at nearly no money. > Good plane! But where all my other Stanley planed are Japanned black, > this plane was maroon. Now I find a Stanley 220 block plane, also > maroon. > > Did Stanley use maroon at some time rather than black? > > Mike in Woodland > > > Links: ------ [1] https://groups.io/g/oldtools/unsub |
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278599 | Chuck Taylor | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
Mike asked ==== A number of years ago I picked up a Stanley type 8 at nearly no money. Good plane! But where all my other Stanley planed are Japanned black, this plane was maroon. Now I find a Stanley 220 block plane, also maroon. Did Stanley use maroon at some time rather than black? ===== Stanley called that color "cordovan." From what I can find, they were produced from 1968 to 1981. www.timetestedtools.net/2017/07/13/the-stanley-cordovan-era/ After that came blue. Cheers, Chuck Taylor north of Seattle USA |
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278600 | Mike Rock <mikerock@m...> | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
Sure know where 'da Upers' are.... I'm six hours south... We had a great birch bark canoe making session up there, on the WI side of the line at Port Wing.....home of a great smoke house for fish.......they ship all over the US...... getting hungry now!! Thanks for the information on Greg, will get some from him. God bless, Mike |
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278601 | Mike Rock <mikerock@m...> | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
Bob, Thank you!! That is one great site for learning about Japanning...... great stuff!!! God bless, Mike |
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278602 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
Doesn't explain the maroon on a type 8 #5. Mike in Woodland > Stanley called that color "cordovan." From what I can find, they were produced from 1968 to 1981. > > www.timetestedtools.net/2017/07/13/the-stanley-cordovan-era/ [1] Links: ------ [1] http://www.timetestedtools.net/2017/07/13/the-stanley-cordovan-era/ |
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278603 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
Doesn't work for my #5 from the 1880s, low knob, smoothly rounded tote. So I'm still in the dark here. Mike in Woodland |
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278604 | Kirk Eppler | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
I don’t know my type study stuff that well*, but what are the odds someone put type 8 running gear on a newer cordovan maroon sole? None of the reputable sites have a reference to maroon or cordovan tied to type 8, except some noob asking about his plane with cheap adjusters, etc. * not enough to know what markings are supposed to be on the sole in type 8 vs 21. I know the hardware is all interchangeable til Made in England. Just something I never cared about. Kirk in HMB, who reassembled a 32# drill press vise, and a Record 04 1/2 yesterday, due to similar reasons, but fixed differently. Sent from my iPad, apologies for the Auto Correct errors. Kirk On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 4:35 AM Michael Blair |
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278605 | scottg <scottg@s...> | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
> Doesn't work for my #5 from the 1880s, low knob, smoothly rounded tote. > So I'm still in the dark here. > > > > If your 5 has all the signs of a type 8 and including good rosewood furniture > Then someone liked the "new" maroon color and painted their plane to match. > > Stanley did the same as Ford for over 100 years. Any color you want so long as its black yours scott ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html |
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278606 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
Re checking, it's a type 6, and the frog is maroon as well. So I guess somebody repainted it with the maroon stuff. >what are the odds someone put type 8 running gear on a newer cordovan maroon sole? Mike in Woodland |
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278607 | gtgrouch@r... | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
(grumbling) Pictures sure would help! Gary Katsanis Albion New York, USA -----------------------------------------From: "Michael Blair" To: "Kirk Eppler" Cc: "Don Schwartz", "Kenneth Stagg", "old tools list" Sent: Monday July 1 2024 12:18:48PM Subject: Re: [oldtools] Stanley maroon? Re checking, it's a type 6, and the frog is maroon as well. So I guess somebody repainted it with the maroon stuff. >what are the odds someone put type 8 running gear on a newer cordovan maroon sole? Mike in Woodland Links: ------ [1] https://groups.io/g/oldtools/unsub |
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278608 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
Don't have pictures, digital camera doesn't work, and i don't wanna pay for a program to post here. Mike in Woodland |
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278609 | scottg <scottg@s...> | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
I have a Chaplins improved jack that is candy emerald green metallic. Wait'll the next generation gets a load of this!! I get bored of plain black, so kill me haahahahahahaha S -- ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html |
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278610 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
Fella at a local paint store has a couple of Chaplins -- smoother and a #6 sized plane. Belonged to his grandfather. Sadly, neither is candy Parisian Green. Mike in Woodland |
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278611 | Kirk Eppler | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: is this a sign? |
All Not being so rude as to call someone out for having tools he does not recognize, recall getting, or knowing where they go (Hi Pot, I'm Kettle), I am far more inclined to wonder where they go. Since I have not seen pix or a description of the geometry, let's go off in the weeds. On Sat, Jun 29, 2024 at 4:09 PM Don Schwartz |
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278612 | gary allan may | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
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278613 | John Ruth <johnrruth77@g...> | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
GG's, The Liberty Paint Co has been a long time supplier of genuine Japanning. They've taken the uncertainty out of hazmat charges for continental USA shipping by setting a fixed price which includes shipping. Pontypool Japanning Asphaltum Paint ( http://www.libertyonthehudson.com/pontypool.html ) libertyonthehudson.com ( http://www.libertyonthehudson.com/pontypool.html ) ( http://www.libertyonthehudson.com/pontypool.html ) ( http://www.libertyonthehudson.com/pontypool.html ) My question about the Cordovan-colored Stanley planes is: "Is the Cordovan color a _true_ "japanning", or is it just a paint ?" I've found truth in the Porch wisdom that black Krylon spray paint is almost indistinguishable from true Stanley black japanning. Is there an established way to refinish the Cordovan planes in a correct color and gloss? John Ruth Metuchen NJ Recalling, in awe, some of the photos of Scott G.'s fabulous "candy apple" paint applications. The man can make the most humble Stanley cast aluminum utility knife into a work of art! |
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278614 | gary allan may | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
Honestly John Ruth; No one has looked in to restoring Stanley 'Cordovan' to its correct color and gloss on account of it would be SO wrong to re-finish the cordovan jobbies to original spec. I'm pretty sure we're going with emerald green metallick and racoon tails, with LEDs on the toes and tails. and yes, I'm ducking and yes, I'm running. gam in OlyWA/USA How horrible it is to have so many people killed!---And what a blessing one cares for none of them! Jane Austen On Monday, July 1, 2024 at 01:36:47 PM PDT, John Ruth |
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278615 | Kirk Eppler | 2024‑07‑01 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
Might be an easy test, Japanning is a bear to remove, paint should come off with lacquer. I think Japanning might just lose its gloss. Kirk in Half Moon Bay, CA On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 1:36 PM John Ruth |
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278616 | Kirk Eppler | 2024‑07‑02 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
That should have been lacquer THINNER to remove paint, not japanning. KE On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 2:49 PM Kirk Eppler via groups.io |
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278617 | Wolfgang Jordan <wolfgang@h...> | 2024‑07‑02 | Re: is this a sign? |
Chuck wrote: ==== The names sound German. Is Wolfgang still listening? ==== I am still listening. I can help with information about Steiner and Böker, but other than that I have the same "problem" as Don. https://www.holzwerken.de/museum/hersteller/steiner.phtml https://www.holzwerken.de/museum/hersteller/boeker.phtml Wolfgang |
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278618 | Patrick Ahern <pahernp@g...> | 2024‑07‑03 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
I use Electrolysis to remove to remove rust and have found by leaving japanned parts and extra day (normal time 24 hours) the finish lifts off. This is in the experimenting state refinishing with a homemade Black Japan recipe on planes I use myself. So far it seems to be working. I will update later this year. Patrick |
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278622 | John Ruth <johnrruth77@g...> | 2024‑07‑04 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
GG's: Anybody with a Stanley Cordovan plane and a color chart for the RAL colorspace? I'm wondering if it is near RAL 8017, Rotbraun. ( Red Brown ) John Ruth |
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278623 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2024‑07‑07 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
So, I found a Stanley "maroon" 220 (nice condition, actually sharp) Arrived yesterday. Now in some photos the color looks maroon. In real life, no. There's a reason Stanley called the color "cordovan" -- it's definitely a brown. Nowhere near the color of my #5. Somebody a hundred years ago wanted a maroon plane, and made it so. Now it's mine. Mike in Woodland |
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278624 | Bill Kasper <dragon01list@g...> | 2024‑07‑08 | Re: Stanley maroon? |
we were doing a cleanout of a retired blacksmith/machinst in berkeley this last couple of sundays, and in doing so came across a 42ss sawset. maroon, made in canada. not sure exactly the date, but it would shock me if it was past 1980. the instructions were in the box, they might have had the date on it... bill felton, ca On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 9:08 AM Michael Blair via groups.io |
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