At 07:19 PM 5/27/2006 -0400, Anthony Seo wrote:
>>I just received a #5-sized plane that I purchased on that auction
>>site.  The plane iron was marked "Everkeen" and the plane is as, near
>>as I can tell, a pretty close copy of a Stanley #5 -- Everkeen was the
>>Pritzlaff Hardware (Milwaukee area) store's house brand and it might
>>have been made by Stanley, just as the Keen Kutter planes were.
>>
>>The one significant different is that it has a truly massive tapered
>>iron, which goes from normal thickness at the top to nearly 1/4-inch
>>at the bevel

>m not familiar with that particular brand or Hardware outfit, do you have 
>any working dates?  My thoughts with tapered iron, if it is 
>original,  that the plane was made by Ohio Tools.  They were still in 
>business until 1920 so depending on the dates that is a possibility

I have a Rev-O-Noc jack plane with a tapered iron like yours.  I have been 
told that Rev-O-Noc is Conover spelled backwards, and it was a hardware and 
tool outfit from the early part of the 20th Century, and the plane was 
probably made by Ohio Tools.  It's a nice plane, easily the equal of a 
Stanley/Bailey.

Dave C

(Still looking for feedback on a #46 dado plane)

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I just received a #5-sized plane that I purchased on that auction
site.  The plane iron was marked "Everkeen" and the plane is as, near
as I can tell, a pretty close copy of a Stanley #5 -- Everkeen was the
Pritzlaff Hardware (Milwaukee area) store's house brand and it might
have been made by Stanley, just as the Keen Kutter planes were.

The one significant different is that it has a truly massive tapered
iron, which goes from normal thickness at the top to nearly 1/4-inch
at the bevel.

This doesn't seem to make a lot sense -- a tapered iron in a plane
with an adjuster?  Wouldn't this tend to wedge in under the lever cap?
 Still, there's no way this is going to chatter....

In any event, it's a nice plane -- in really clean condition -- and my
third Everkeen tool.  I'm probably going to end up with a collection
if I'm not careful.

Ken

Gloat notes:  Picked up a "one-level" Workmutt for $2 today, a Millers
Falls two-speed breast drill for $4 (no side handle, though it does
have most of the gold MF logo left), and a couple of old saws at $1
each.  One of the old saws is an Atkins with a really pretty wheat
carved handle; the other is a later Disston D-8.

The big haul was yesterday: a $10 pile that included a 48" Starrett
rule (~$150 new!), a 26" Stanley Sweetheart #0 level, a pile of saw
sharpening files, a couple of saws (including a mostly-used up
Atkins), and a Frankoma 37 planter in prairie green.
-- 
Absolute power corrupts absolutely, but model train sets do a pretty
good job as well

-- 2/28/05, in a odd dream

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The 1920s is certainly feasible -- Pritzlaff Hardware was incorporated
in 1884 and last appeared in the Milwaukee business directory in 1958.
 UW Milwaukee has an archive of their papers which I could probably
get access to.

Any distinguishing marks on the plane that might help identify it as
being made by Ohio Tools?  The only mark I've found so far is an "S"
on the back on the lever cap.  The adjuster  seems a bit different
than I'm used -- the yoke is a heavy casting, not bent metal, and the
lateral lever has a bigger disk on the end, I think.  I need to dig up
my Stanley #5 and take some pictures, I guess.

On 5/27/06, Anthony Seo  wrote:
> I'm not familiar with that particular brand or Hardware outfit, do
> you have any working dates?  My thoughts with tapered iron, if it is
> original,  that the plane was made by Ohio Tools.  They were still in
> business until 1920 so depending on the dates that is a possibility

>From the UWM web page on their business papers:

http://www.uwm.edu/Libraries/arch/findaids/msscq.htm

ADMINISTRATIVE HISTORY: The John Pritzlaff Hardware Company was
founded in 1850 by John Pritzlaff (1820-1900), in Milwaukee,
Wisconsin. John Pritzlaff was born in 1820 in Trutzlatz, a province of
Pomerania, Prussia. He emigrated to America in 1839 and worked his way
westward by maintaining various jobs along the way, such as, a laborer
on the Genesee Canal in Pennsylvania. By 1841 he reached Milwaukee and
became a teamster for $9.00 a month. In 1842 he was a cook on a lake
steamer and the following year supported himself by cutting timber at
the site of Schlitz Park. In 1843 he entered the hardware field where
he was employed by Shepardson and Farwell as a porter, earning $200 a
year. The following year Shepardson sold out to Nazro and King and Mr.
Pritzlaff continued in the latter's employment. He remained with Nazro
and Company until 1850.

In the year 1850, John Pritzlaff, along with August F. Suelflohn and
Henry J. Nazro, opened a small retail hardware store called John
Pritzlaff and Company. Nazro was a silent partner, but carried the
financial burden. In 1853 Suelflohn was bought out by Pritzlaff and in
1866 Nazro withdrew, leaving the entire business with John Pritzlaff
as proprietor of a large and rapidly growing business. By 1884
Pritzlaff incorporated the John Pritzlaff Hardware Company. The
company kept growing and moving until it became the largest hardware
store in Milwaukee and the entire region. When John Pritzlaff died in
1900, his son, Frederick C. Pritzlaff, took over the company. The John
Pritzlaff Hardware Company appears in the Milwaukee City Directory for
the last time in 1958.

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At 07:04 PM 5/27/2006, Ken Meltsner wrote:

>I just received a #5-sized plane that I purchased on that auction
>site.  The plane iron was marked "Everkeen" and the plane is as, near
>as I can tell, a pretty close copy of a Stanley #5 -- Everkeen was the
>Pritzlaff Hardware (Milwaukee area) store's house brand and it might
>have been made by Stanley, just as the Keen Kutter planes were.
>
>The one significant different is that it has a truly massive tapered
>iron, which goes from normal thickness at the top to nearly 1/4-inch
>at the bevel.
>
>This doesn't seem to make a lot sense -- a tapered iron in a plane
>with an adjuster?  Wouldn't this tend to wedge in under the lever cap?
>Still, there's no way this is going to chatter....

I'm not familiar with that particular brand or Hardware outfit, do 
you have any working dates?  My thoughts with tapered iron, if it is 
original,  that the plane was made by Ohio Tools.  They were still in 
business until 1920 so depending on the dates that is a possibility

Tony (where it looks like summer has finally arrived)

                         Olde River Hard Goods
                             350 West Catawissa Street
                               Nesquehoning PA 18240
                                         570-669-9421
               The best old tool store in Pennsylvania!
                     http://www.oldetoolshop.com  

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:  -----Original Message-----
:  From: oldtools-bounces@r...
:  [mailto:oldtools-bounces@r...]On Behalf Of Ken
:  Meltsner
:  Sent: 28 May 2006 00:04
:  To: Old Tools Forum
:  Subject: [OldTools] Tapered iron in a Stanley-style jack plane?
:
:  The one significant different is that it has a truly massive tapered
:  iron, which goes from normal thickness at the top to nearly 1/4-inch
:  at the bevel.
:
:  This doesn't seem to make a lot sense -- a tapered iron in a plane
:  with an adjuster?  Wouldn't this tend to wedge in under the lever cap?

First thoughts suggest that once the yoked lever position is settled for a
particular setting of the cap iron, the final very fine adjustment might not
greatly be affected by the taper.

What can be troublesome is a cap iron so curved that the meeting face on the
lever cap is not tangential to the curve. Pressure will increase with
increaing set if the contact point is too far forwards and will reduce
(inviting chatter) if this point is behind the curve.

This really needs a drawing!

Jeff
-- 
Jeff Gorman, West Yorkshire, UK
http://www.amgron.clara.net

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At 07:48 PM 5/27/2006, Ken Meltsner wrote:

>The 1920s is certainly feasible -- Pritzlaff Hardware was incorporated
>in 1884 and last appeared in the Milwaukee business directory in 1958.
>UW Milwaukee has an archive of their papers which I could probably
>get access to.
>
>Any distinguishing marks on the plane that might help identify it as
>being made by Ohio Tools?  The only mark I've found so far is an "S"
>on the back on the lever cap.  The adjuster  seems a bit different
>than I'm used -- the yoke is a heavy casting, not bent metal, and the
>lateral lever has a bigger disk on the end, I think.  I need to dig up
>my Stanley #5 and take some pictures, I guess.

Here is a picture of the frog of an Ohio Tools 05C in pristine condition...

http://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/ohiotoolsfrog.jpg

Look familiar?

Tony

                         Olde River Hard Goods
                             350 West Catawissa Street
                               Nesquehoning PA 18240
                                         570-669-9421
               The best old tool store in Pennsylvania!
                     http://www.oldetoolshop.com  

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Tony, that photo clinches it for me -- the frog is very similar to a
Stanley-Bailey frog, but the Ohio Tool frog is *exactly* the same,
down to the three bands of knurling around the adjuster knob.

Ken

On 5/28/06, Anthony Seo  wrote:
...
> Here is a picture of the frog of an Ohio Tools 05C in pristine condition...
>
> http://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/ohiotoolsfrog.jpg
>
> Look familiar?
>
> Tony

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