Gentle galoots,

My current saw storage system is 3 huge nails that hold several saws each.
I want to build a sawtill, and have a design in mind but would like to see
what is out there.

The design I have is the standard tapered box, but would hang low on the
wall.  We haven't had a group galoot project in awhile!  Any interest in a
sawtill?  Personally, I want two tills that will handle the normal saws,
miterbox saws and the small saws.  Perhaps even a side holder for a sawset
and files.

There is a nice saw holder design  in Lee Valleys reprints of their old
magazines.

I built one and have to finish it , when it is done I will post some PICS

Aaron -- taak

"Peterson, Samuel L." wrote:

> Gentle galoots,
>
> My current saw storage system is 3 huge nails that hold several saws each.
> I want to build a sawtill, and have a design in mind but would like to see
> what is out there.
>
> The design I have is the standard tapered box, but would hang low on the
> wall.  We haven't had a group galoot project in awhile!  Any interest in a
> sawtill?  Personally, I want two tills that will handle the normal saws,
> miterbox saws and the small saws.  Perhaps even a side holder for a sawset
> and files.
>
> --

Sam taunts:

> We haven't had a group galoot project in awhile!  Any interest in a
> sawtill?

Hi Sam.

I would love to join the sawtill project.  I have a very orderly hanging
tool cabinet for my planes and chisels, but my handsaws are
hanging on nails, just like yours.  It's just not right.

Someone discussed a design feature a while back that involved
marbles.  Somehow a marble was mounted in a slot that would
serve to hold the saw in the till via gravity.  What was the design
exactly?  I thought this was neat, but I never got around to doing
anything about it.

-Bob Key.
(which, I lost my marbles during the move - anybody seen um?)

Peterson, Samuel L. wrote:
>Gentle galoots,
>
>My current saw storage system is 3 huge nails that hold several saws each.
>I want to build a sawtill, and have a design in mind but would like to see
>what is out there.  [...]

As an aside, I always thought Stan Faullin's saw rack --especially given
its simplicity-- was pretty snazzy:

     http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/faullin/saw-rack.htm

Nichael

Bob looses his marbles:
> Someone discussed a design feature a while back that involved
> marbles.  Somehow a marble was mounted in a slot that would
> serve to hold the saw in the till via gravity.  What was the design
> exactly?  I thought this was neat, but I never got around to doing
> anything about it.
>
> -Bob Key.
> (which, I lost my marbles during the move - anybody seen um?)

I've got one of these things and don't like it. Maybe it's poorly done or
designed (got it from my FIL) but it won't hold all saws reliably. Back saws
have to go in teeth first (ouch) and panel saws need to be a little rusty for
the binding/friction fit to work. OTOH it's cool to hand it to someone and ask
them to identify it. All those slots and captured marbles mystify most folks.

I ~need~ a saw till. Right now mine are stored vertically with the blade
resting in a board with saw kerfs and the handle resting on a dowel, spaced out
far enough to insure the saw leans into the kerf. I've been thinking of
reproducing it in oak. Worked green and using wet/dry jointery of course;-)

Thom
GAloot

Peterson, Samuel L. Writes:
>
>The design I have is the standard tapered box, but would hang low on the
>wall.  We haven't had a group galoot project in awhile!  Any interest in a
>sawtill?  Personally, I want two tills that will handle the normal saws,
>miterbox saws and the small saws.  Perhaps even a side holder for a sawset
>and files.

I Like the whole idea, there should be provision for the saw vise too-
How about a box that the saw vise clamps to that holds the set, joiner,
files etc?
This would be designed to clamp into a bench vise for use and would be
stowed atop the till.

Stan's till with the slots looks good, and it displays the tools
attractively, the practical aspect being that when things are visible they
are better cared for and used. My two slapdash tills hold the saws standing
up on their handles with the back of the blade facing out. This takes less
space than the above but the saws are sort of hidden.

Clarke Green

Thom comments on holding saws with marbles:
> I've got one of these things and don't like it. Maybe it's poorly done
> or designed (got it from my FIL) but it won't hold all saws reliably.

Perhaps it would work better with rubber marbles.

-Bob Key.
-which I accidentally posted my first response to Sam's sawtill
taunt to the Patrick O'Brian list, and they didn't know quite what to
make of it.  Surreal, it was.

>Gentle galoots,
>
>My current saw storage system is 3 huge nails that hold several saws each.
>I want to build a sawtill, and have a design in mind but would like to see
>what is out there.

I haven't built mine yet, but I did get a blueprint from a guy who made one
that I really like.  I used his when I was in his shop one day and I really
liked it.  It was printed up in a woodworking magazine years ago.  This
rack will NOT work for people like Bruce VS who has more saws than Paul
Bunyan's legions.  But for the AVERAGE galoot who manages to get by with 10
or less this is a sweet design.
I'll TRY to do a little ascii art here, but without TAAK at my side,
...well, it won't be pretty.

The basic idea is to create a rack with slots in it, and each slot has a
gravity driven plunger placed at an angle so that when it drops down it
penetrates the slot where the saw hangs.  YOu remove the saw by pushing up
and out.  YOu replace the saw by pushing up until the plunger drops back
into the handhole in the saw handle, and then just let go.  OK, here
goes.........

            3/4 X 6" board mounted on wall                 plunger
_____________________________________________________________/ /______________
        |       |       |       |       |       |       |   / / |
        | Block | Space | Block | SPace |Block  | SPace |  / /  |
        |       |       |       |       |       |       | / /   |
        |       |       |       |       |       |       |/ /    |
        |       |       |       |       |       |       / /     |
        |       |       |       |       |       |      / /      |
        |       |       |       |       |       |     /_/       |
        |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |
______________________________________________________________________________

Of course the fine points of the design involve making it work smoothly and
having a plunger design of suficient mass, while not having something that
will mar the handle with repeated use.  I only drew the one plunger, but
obviously there would be one in every block.   Sufficiently confusing?

Cheers

Tom

"Peterson, Samuel L." wrote:

>My current saw storage system is 3 huge nails that hold several saws each.
>I want to build a sawtill, and have a design in mind but would like to see
>what is out there.

******

Funny this topic should come up.  I just built a wall hanging saw till
(rack) for my small saws (back saws, dovetail saw and gent saw) last week.
What I built was just a simple rack that was very heavily inspired by Stan
Faullin's rack (previously mentioned), just on a smaller scale.  Right now I
only have two regular size hand saws (the larger ones) so they are still
hanging on a nail.  As I accumulate more of these larger ones, I will
probably build a second rack for them.

In addation to the saw rack, I am currently in the process of building some
other 'racks' for my hand tools as well.  One is a chisel rack.  I got the
inspiration for this one from the latest issue of American Woodworker, which
arrived in the mail earlier this week.  In case some of you have not seen
this, it has some pretty good suggestions for shop storage - even some for
Galootish type tools.

The Second is a Spokeshave rack.  This one was pretty much of my own design.
I basically looks like a miniature gun rack.  I guess the inspiration for
this one was that rifle rack I built back in High School shop class (guess
it would be pretty politically incorrect to do this as a high school project
these days.)

I also liked the rack in American Woodworker for layout tools - squares and
rules and such.  Maybe one of these days, I will build a variant of that as
well.

Keith Rucker
Tifton, GA

Tom Johnson descibes a fancy saw till

> The basic idea is to create a rack with slots in it, and each slot has a
> gravity driven plunger placed at an angle so that when it drops down it
> penetrates the slot where the saw hangs.  YOu remove the saw by pushing up
> and out.  YOu replace the saw by pushing up until the plunger drops back
> into the handhole in the saw handle, and then just let go.  OK, here
> goes.........
>

(Ascii art snipped..)

Sheesh - complicated or what.

Mine is simple and efficient.

Imagine a shoebox, standing on end.  Remove the top, and insert a 'comb' of
slots.
at an angle of , oh, 20 degrees.  a bit less than the typical angle where handl
e
meets blade.

You place a saw, teeth facing you, into a slot of the 'comb', and the angle of
the
handle
interfaces to the 'comb, and keeps it just fine.

For variation, you can add a folding top and front, but mine is just the open
front
mounted on the wall.

Oh - and larger than an actual shoebox of course...

Richard Wilson
Yorkshireman in Worcestershire

>
> Someone discussed a design feature a while back that involved
> marbles.  Somehow a marble was mounted in a slot that would
> serve to hold the saw in the till via gravity.  What was the design
> exactly?  I thought this was neat, but I never got around to doing
> anything about it.
>
> -Bob Key.

This is a new use for what any restaurant calls a tab-gripper.
We made them aons ago in school workshop: The essence is a marble
rolling down a slope, pressing against a back board.

For a tab-gripper, the board is just a pice of ply, say 6x4 inches.
The magic is in a small block of wood.
This is wide and deep enough to form a "lid" over a marble
(or ball-bearing, but marbles don't rust).

A slot, with a ramp is cut out of the block, and marble inserted,
and the block fixed to the board.

Herewith side view in bad ASCII art:
+======++===========+
|      ||           |
|      ||           |
|      ||           |
|      ||           |
|      ||           |
|      ||           |
|      ||=======    |
|      |       |    |
|      |       |    |
|      |       |    |
|      |       |    |
|      |       |    |
|      |       |    |
|      | ###   |    |
|      |##### /     |
|      | ### /      |
|      |    /       |
|      |   /        |
|      |  /         |
|      | /          |
|      | |          |
|      | +==========+
|      |
|      |
|      |
|      |
|      |
|      |
+======+

(where # is a marble.)
Not there is no gap between the block and board
at the top, but a small gap (for the paper) at the bottom.
When the paper is pushed UP into the gadget, the marble rolls
up-and-back. The vertical (gravity) force on the marble is
translated into a horizontal component by the obvliue ramp in the
block. It is this that makes the friction.

        BugBear.
        (mirror polished saws don't seem a good match for this design)