Gentle Galoots,

I need help to recover the plan for the Galoot Saw Till Group Project from circa
1999 or 2000.

Using Google to do a search site:https://swingleydev.com/ot/ "saw till" got some
hits, but many of the links in the posts seem to have suffered "link rot".

Does anyone have the plan as it was published?

John Ruth
Who may be able to introduce some new members to the Porch via the Saw Till Plan

On Fri, 2023-05-26 at 03:35 +0000, John Ruth wrote:
> Gentle Galoots,
> 
> I need help to recover the plan for the Galoot Saw Till Group Project
> from circa 1999 or 2000.
> 
> Using Google to do a search site:https://swingleydev.com/ot/ "saw
> till" got some hits, but many of the links in the posts seem to have
> suffered "link rot".
> 
> Does anyone have the plan as it was published?

You know, I don't think I'd mind seeing that either!

Ken

I’m another’s that would like to see the plans or maybe just a pic of one!  I’ve
got multiple stacks that need a better place, maybe organize by types (D-8, #16
and so forth).

T.Z.

Anthony M. Zaffuto, President 
Metaltech, Inc.
3547 Watson Hwy.
DuBois, PA. 15801
www.metaltech-pm.com
(814) 375-9399
(814) 541-5019 (cell)

Good morning, John - 

Here's a link to the plans/images I have of the project.  Hope this is what
you're looking for.

Regards,

Dwight

https://photos.app.goo.gl/C5bhf2GAUzctmoE7A

Not sure about on the web, but there was a 'Galoot Saw Till' article in the
October 2000 issue of Popular Woodworking. It was by Samuel Peterson, who was on
the Porch in those days. Pretty sure it was close, if not exactly, to the
original project. I may have a copy of that issue somewhere.

Dennis Heyza 

-----Original Message-----
From: oldtools@g...  On Behalf Of John Ruth
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2023 11:35 PM
To: Tools Old 
Subject: [oldtools] Need to recover the plan for the circa 1999 Saw Till Galoot
Group Project

Gentle Galoots,

I need help to recover the plan for the Galoot Saw Till Group Project from circa
1999 or 2000.

Using Google to do a search site:https://swingleydev.com/ot/ "saw till" got some
hits, but many of the links in the posts seem to have suffered "link rot".

Does anyone have the plan as it was published?

John Ruth
Who may be able to introduce some new members to the Porch via the Saw Till Plan

Dennis,

Thank you for connecting the dots between the Galoot Group Project and the well-
known Popular Woodworking piece !

Not sure about on the web, but there was a 'Galoot Saw Till' article in the
October 2000 issue of Popular Woodworking. It was by Samuel Peterson, who was on
the Porch in those days. Pretty sure it was close, if not exactly, to the
original project. I may have a copy of that issue .

That's on line here:
https://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/saw-plane-till/

The byline is Mike Siemsen and the publication date is given as June 19, 2020.

Thanks again!
John Ruth
Searching the OLDTOOLS archive for this plan brought back happy memories of
galoots who have gone to the Great Shop in The Sky.

Dwight,

Thank you ! 

I'm hoping this thread continues...my memories of exactly what the group project
was supposed to look like are hazy.  I recall that, being galoots, various porch
members added improvements and embellishments to the original design.

Seem to recall some members widening or narrowing the design to fit their
acc...er collection of saws.

Please keep this thread going; it's prompting some pleasant reminisces and
promulgating the saw till concept to those who took their seats after the
original group project.

John Ruth
Now going on 68 years old
> On May 26, 2023, at 7:04 AM, Dwight Beebe  wrote:
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/C5bhf2GAUzctmoE7A
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Don't believe I have those plans but do have plans for Bob Sturgeons 
Sawtill and have made a few of them.

eastconn.com/shed/sawtill.jpg

Here's the material list:

Material List for Single Till:


1-1x12x10'������������ Knotty Pine
1-2x4x22"������������� Pine of Fir
Drywall Screws

I probably have more pictures and plans of the till if anyone wants them .

Paul Honore

Hebron� CT

Paul,

Thanks!
That's an easy-to-build till that is functional.

If it was a pharmaceutical, it would be labeled " Take one for immediate relief
of Saw Problem" !

John Ruth
Ducking and Running
> On May 26, 2023, at 9:15 AM, Paul Honore  wrote:
> 
> Don't believe I have those plans but do have plans for Bob Sturgeons Sawtill
and have made a few of them.
> 
> eastconn.com/shed/sawtill.jpg
> 
> Here's the material list:
> 
> Material List for Single Till:
> 
> 
> 1-1x12x10'             Knotty Pine
> 1-2x4x22"              Pine of Fir
> Drywall Screws
> 
> I probably have more pictures and plans of the till if anyone wants them .
> 
> Paul Honore
> 
> Hebron  CT
> 
> 
>> On 5/25/2023 11:35 PM, John Ruth wrote:
>> Gentle Galoots,
>> 
>> I need help to recover the plan for the Galoot Saw Till Group Project from
circa 1999 or 2000.
>> 
>> Using Google to do a search site:https://swingleydev.com/ot/ "saw till" got
some hits, but many of the links in the posts seem to have suffered "link rot".
>> 
>> Does anyone have the plan as it was published?
>> 
>> John Ruth
>> Who may be able to introduce some new members to the Porch via the Saw Till
Plan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

John,

 

That’s not the Peterson article but certainly in the same vein. I think you can
find the original by searching ‘galoot saw till’. But you may or may not be able
to view it since PW now puts a limit on the number of articles you can read
online (as does FW) unless you subscribe to their “premium” service.

 

If anyone wants a copy of Sam’s article, ping me privately.

 

Dennis 

 

From: John Ruth  
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2023 8:56 AM
To: Dennis Heyza 
Cc: Tools Old 
Subject: Re: [oldtools] Need to recover the plan for the circa 1999 Saw Till
Galoot Group Project

 

Dennis, 

 

Thank you for connecting the dots between the Galoot Group Project and the well-
known Popular Woodworking piece !

 

Not sure about on the web, but there was a 'Galoot Saw Till' article in the
October 2000 issue of Popular Woodworking. It was by Samuel Peterson, who was on
the Porch in those days. Pretty sure it was close, if not exactly, to the
original project. I may have a copy of that issue .

 

That's on line here:

https://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/saw-plane-till/

 

The byline is Mike Siemsen and the publication date is given as June 19, 2020.

 

Thanks again!

John Ruth

Searching the OLDTOOLS archive for this plan brought back happy memories of
galoots who have gone to the Great Shop in The Sky.

This is the direct link to the article:

https://www.popularwoodworking.com/projects/galoot-sawtill/

--Chris

Check out H-frame, the site for vintage Black & Decker Workmates
https://h-frame.weebly.com/

Didn't the original have some, let's say, non standard dovetails?

When I built my saw till, I used saw kerfs to separate the blades. I 
didn't find that satisfactory, and ended up installing short dowels 
between the kerfs, and they make much better separators. Also, I decided 
against drawers as my files, saw sets� etc already have a home in my 
sharpening station. Finally, I decide to forego a bottom to avoid 
accumulation of dust.

fwiw
Don

On 2023-05-26 5:04 a.m., Dwight Beebe wrote:
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/C5bhf2GAUzctmoE7A
>
>
> 
>
>

-- 
\u201cTo argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, 
and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like 
administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist 
by scripture.\u201d \u2015 Thomas Paine, The American Crisis

On 26 May, Brian Welch wrote:
>Didn't the original have some, let's say, non standard dovetails?

I think maybe so.  The tails cut in the sides for the upper cleat extend 
perpendicular to the long grain, which is unusual.  

Joining the jump ~off-topic to other till designs, this is another 
"Spartan" one that I like and have good intentions to build:

https://todd.mainecav.org/dyws/shop201605.html

But I "have" to build a turning saw first to cut those curves, and I 
"need" to make a tapered reamer to do the turning saw the way I'd like 
to...  :)

Norm

I have some drawing of some Sawtill plans, pix, not too many words.  Just
uploaded them here and following.  These are gif files, so apologies for
the quality.

https://kirkhmb.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Misc-Images/i-HD5k5H6

I also have a PDF of the original directions, downloaded from
WebArchive.org (wayback machine), from Shavings.net.  Get your own copy
from the first link here, still very much alive

http://web.archive.org/web/20000306080642/http://www.shavings.net/

Anyone that wants the full copy, drop me an email

Kirk Eppler in half moon bay, ca, really needing a long weekend to recharge
my batteries.

On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 4:17 AM Dennis Heyza 
wrote:

> Not sure about on the web, but there was a 'Galoot Saw Till' article in
> the October 2000 issue of Popular Woodworking. It was by Samuel Peterson,
> who was on the Porch in those days. Pretty sure it was close, if not
> exactly, to the original project. I may have a copy of that issue somewhere.
>
> Dennis Heyza
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldtools@g...  On Behalf Of John Ruth
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2023 11:35 PM
> To: Tools Old 
> Subject: [oldtools] Need to recover the plan for the circa 1999 Saw Till
> Galoot Group Project
>
> Gentle Galoots,
>
> I need help to recover the plan for the Galoot Saw Till Group Project from
> circa 1999 or 2000.
>
> Using Google to do a search site:https://swingleydev.com/ot/ "saw till"
> got some hits, but many of the links in the posts seem to have suffered
> "link rot".
>
> Does anyone have the plan as it was published?
>
> --


-- 
Kirk Eppler in Half Moon Bay, CA 

> On May 26, 2023, at 03:27 , Tony Zaffuto  wrote:
> 
> I’m another’s that would like to see the plans or maybe just a pic of one!
I’ve got multiple stacks that need a better place, maybe organize by types (D-8,
#16 and so forth).

Classic drive-by, Tony! I happened to have a PDF of the project, and even back
in 2009 when I built my saw till it was hard to find.

http://web.archive.org/web/20000417182632/http://www.shavings.net/sawtill.html

Adam
Benton City, WA

I had no plans, just whacked something together. 

https://groups.io/g/oldtools/photo/262119/3622755?p=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C2%2C0%2
C0

Sent from my refuge

It looks like Adam and Kirk have found the files but just in case I have a
message from JIm O'Brian (sent to this list on 9/29/1999) about the project that
points to a couple of old links to saw till project plans with a modification he
seems to have designed. One is a dead link to shavings which may or may not be
what Adam and Kirk found.  The other is a dead link to a different site that one
might also be able to find in the Wayback machine.  I was going to use the
information in the message to find the plans in the Wayback machine but Kirk
just did that.  I'll copy the message below in case the information helps anyone
wants to look for the other plan he links in the Wayback machine.  Here is that
message:

Gentle Galoots,
Greetings from due north.  Fall colors will peak by the weekend.

Ken Greenberg and John Gunterman have been gracious enough to host my
abbreviated sketches of a saw keeper mechanism for the galoot saw till
project.  Check out the following URLs:

http://www.calast.com/ken/Personal/tillkeep.*
where * is one of txt for the explanation, dxf, doc, or wpd.  
        or
http://www.shavings.net/images/tillkeep.jpg

        It is with some trepidation that I offer additions to a design of such
elegant simplicity - and from a committee no less.  The following text
might help explain the drawings

        The keeper is made of five pieces of 1/4" material - four tabs and a
panel.   I'm guessing the 1/4" material is both stiff and flexible enough
to serve its respective purposes.  I haven't tried to engineer the best
dimensions or tolerances, but the principle seems sound.  The top two tabs
are hinge plates with holes drilled through, and the bottom two tabs are
catch plates with depressions to catch the pin heads.  All four pins are
glued or friction fitted into the sides of the till.  

        The joints can be reinforced with small triangular glue blocks.  Small
finger joints or dovetails are also a possibility. The tabs could also be
combined to make one-piece ends with a hole on top and a dent on the
bottom.  Beefier sections (5/16-1/2"?) could be tried.  A bottom keeper
could be added for the big saws if necessary.  Two more keepers could be
made for the smaller saws if desired.  Spacer blocks can be glued
underneath the keeper panel if necessary.  There's always something.

        Panel size: I was thinking about 4-5" x width of the till .  If you have
longer saws of varying lengths, put your saws in order of
ascending/descending length, and the panel can be tapered or perhaps curved
to mimic the "blend " on the side of the till in order to cover the last
2-3" of the saws. The hinge pin plates would stay where they are, and one
of the catch plates would move down accordingly.   I'm trying to avoid
using plywood if I can.  

        The bottom of the tills would either have another keep or a ledge/stop
(as
shown in the original drawings) to hold the saws in place.  In the sawtill
drawing, dovetail/tenon/backsaw tills are  on the right side.  There would
need to be a divider running vertically to separate the sections and
attach/catch the keep(s).  

        I hope the drawings are reasonably lucid. I put them together rather
quickly, so I know there are some errors with hidden lines, etc.  They are
in  BMP format in Microsoft Word and WordPerfect 8, and JPG.  There is also
a DXF drawing  for those of you with Autocad or some other vector-based
drawing program.

Please direct questions, comments, suggestions, and broadsides to me, since
John and Ken are merely accomplices in good faith. 

Thanks for reading,
Jim O'Brien

End of Quoted Message

John and GGs,

Just for historical interest (and to remind folks about the excellent  
archive Chris provides), here are a few links to discussion threads in 
Chris's archive about the saw till project:

 From July, 1999:  "Sawtills - Anyone built one? Group project?"
https://swingleydev.com/ot/get/64674/thread/#64674

 From September, 1999:  "Sawtill plans are ready, let the fun begin!"
https://swingleydev.com/ot/get/68274/thread/#68274

 From September, 2011:  "SawTill"
https://swingleydev.com/ot/get/221425/thread/#221425

Regards,

Norm
- in Madison, WI

Hold on!

I haven’t made mine yet!


My design is almost there though.   If you provide a shelf near the top for the
angled portion of a handle, then you can have half the saws handle up top, and
half with handle at the bottom.

 Why? Isn’t it obvious?

So you can pack in twice as many, using the space between plates to have the
plate from the ‘other direction’. - needs to be a bit taller to accommodate the
extra handles and allow the deepest part of the plate to be the means of lifting
the chosen saw out.

Or leave off the drawers - but those are some of the best bits.


Richard Wilson
Yorkshireman Galoot
- I really WILL get one made.  The way space has been reserved for, oh, 10 years
or so in this ’new’ workshop.




> On 26 May 2023, at 04:35, John Ruth  wrote:
> 
> Gentle Galoots,
> 
> I need help to recover the plan for the Galoot Saw Till Group Project from
circa 1999 or 2000.
> 
> Using Google to do a search site:https://swingleydev.com/ot/ "saw till" got
some hits, but many of the links in the posts seem to have suffered "link rot".
> 
> Does anyone have the plan as it was published?
> 
> John Ruth
> Who may be able to introduce some new members to the Porch via the Saw Till
Plan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



-- 
Yorkshireman Galoot
in the most northerly county, farther north even than Yorkshire
IT #300

Richard,

A decade for the plan?  Not to worry, in Galoot-time, the tea kettle is not
even warm yet ...


Tim

Playing with making an old satellite dish into a solar powered bird bath in
NJ today.


On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 8:49 AM Richard Wilson <
yorkshireman@y...> wrote: