I need some help with a lock for the Kennedy toolbox, the model 520 
series..... Probably the 526 As well.... The ones with the tubular key, 
not the flat key....

If someone has this tool box, please email me... I med some dimensions 
from the lock.....

TIA

-- 
Frank Filippone
BMWRed735i@g...

Hey Frank:

  Kennedy's still in business, maybe they'll tell you what you need to know...
       hope this helps, gam in OlyWA/USA


 

    Frank Filippone  wrote:  
 
 I need some help with a lock for the Kennedy toolbox, the model 520 
series..... Probably the 526 As well.... The ones with the tubular key, 
not the flat key....

If someone has this tool box, please email me... I med some dimensions 
from the lock.....

TIA

-- 
Frank Filippone
BMWRed735i@g...

if it is unlocked, take the lock out and take it to a locksmith. Tubular
locks can have keys made.

OTOH, the Kennedy website lists replacement tubular locks locks for around
40$ , probably the cheaper alternative.

If it ws a flat lock, frugal me just picked it, removed the cylinder and
removed the tabs....I did have a key in the junk pile that fit, so I just
fit in flats in the clyinder until I found one that would allow the key to
turn.

Although I've never attempted to pick a circular lock, Youtube may hold the
answer., bu t you'd still have to have a key to fit !!!

Eric

OK.. Time to explain.....� This Box has no lock.� None.� No key either.

What I am attempting to do is to use a different model Kennedy Lock ( 
that I bought on the cheap, new, old stock, as in $10) and modify it or 
this box.

Here is what I need to find out...

There is a moving piece of metal (I call this the doo jiggey.) that 
rotates when the key is turned.� This latches into the top of the box to 
lock it.

I bought a lock that has a long metal piece, but has no cut out to lock 
into the top.� it is too long and it does not have the notch essential 
for locking.

What I need to do is to cut the metal doo jiggey on the lock, to match 
the smaller correct doo jiggey piece and to cut the notch. Metal file 
(and maybe a hack saw) work!

To do that, I need a couple of measurements from the lock.... overall 
length of doo jioggey, width and depth and relative location of notch on 
the doo jiggey..

So there you have it.... What and why.....

Frank Filippone
BMWRed735i@g...

so the short answer, you have a drawer lock, and want to convert it into a
chest lock.

I'm guessing the doohickey is pretty close to the same regardless of the
key style.  Most of mine are older, and have the flat key.  I can send you
a traceable image of said doohickey, and you can make a wood or fiberobard
one, see if it fits, and adjust as needed before you go to metal.

KE

On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 4:51 PM Frank Filippone 
wrote:

> OK.. Time to explain.....  This Box has no lock.  None.  No key either.
>
> What I am attempting to do is to use a different model Kennedy Lock (
> that I bought on the cheap, new, old stock, as in $10) and modify it or
> this box.
>
> Here is what I need to find out...
>
> There is a moving piece of metal (I call this the doo jiggey.) that
> rotates when the key is turned.  This latches into the top of the box to
> lock it.
>
> I bought a lock that has a long metal piece, but has no cut out to lock
> into the top.  it is too long and it does not have the notch essential
> for locking.
>
> What I need to do is to cut the metal doo jiggey on the lock, to match
> the smaller correct doo jiggey piece and to cut the notch. Metal file
> (and maybe a hack saw) work!
>
> To do that, I need a couple of measurements from the lock.... overall
> length of doo jioggey, width and depth and relative location of notch on
> the doo jiggey..
>
> So there you have it.... What and why.....
>
> Frank Filippone
> BMWRed735i@g...
>
> On 2/16/2023 4:25 PM, cowtown_eric wrote:
> > if it is unlocked, take the lock out and take it to a locksmith. Tubular
> > locks can have keys made.
> >
> > OTOH, the Kennedy website lists replacement tubular locks locks for
> around
> > 40$ , probably the cheaper alternative.
> >
> > If it ws a flat lock, frugal me just picked it, removed the cylinder and
> > removed the tabs....I did have a key in the junk pile that fit, so I just
> > fit in flats in the clyinder until I found one that would allow the key
> to
> > turn.
> >
> > Although I've never attempted to pick a circular lock, Youtube may hold
> the
> > answer., bu t you'd still have to have a key to fit !!!
> >
>
>
>


-- 
Kirk Eppler in Half Moon Bay, CA 

I've had occasion to do this more than a few times, when I've acquired a
Kennedy, Craftsman or Waterloo box without a key.  
Like you I find a suitable lock, uses the same size hole, and has a metal strap
doo-hickey that swings up when they key is turned.  These are simply held to the
box with a nut, or of late a U shaped spring clamp thingy.  The strap is held to
the lock via a nut, over a square shaped boss.
You should know that over the years Kennedy has altered the geometry of the
lock/lid interface.  The length of the strap, the offset (what I call the Z
curve) and placement of the notch all are variables.  Another variable is how
far into the box is the end boss of the lock.  I have also seen on some boxes a
double ended strap, the second end swinging down to pass through a slot in the
bottom of the top section, into a slot on the top of the front drop-panel.
The important thing is to measure from some datum (I use the seam where the lid
meets the box, directly above the center line of the lock.) the distance up and
in to the place where the notch needs to end up, and similarly down and into the
box from the same point to the back of the lock, where the strap do-hicky is
attached.
So get a piece of 1/2" wide, 1/16" thick piece of steel, about 2-3" long, drill
a hole in one end and file it square, in an orientaion that the strap is
horizontal when unlocked, vertical when locked.  
Then, referencing the center of the hole, put a 90 degree bend in toward the
front of the box, just enough offset to clear the lock body.  
Go in to a point you've calculated as the difference from the measurements made
relative to your selected datum, and bend the strap the other way.
Put a mark on the strap where the notch should be, use an angle grinder to make
a shallow notch.  By shallow I mean just a divot, something you can feel.
Also, shorten the strap at this point so it isn't trying to punch through the
lid when the lid is closed and the strap is up.
Put the lock in the unlocked condition, strap horizontal, close the lid.  Try to
lock the box gently and lift the lid an quarter inch to get a feel for the
relative location of the notch relative to the mating sheet metal in the lid.
Then you should be able figure out if the divot you've made is too high or too
low.  Remove it from the lock and finish the grinding and file all edges smooth.
This took longer to type than it takes to do.  Cut a strap, drill a hole, make
it square, put a Z bend in the strap, make a divot, put it on the lock, feel
with the lid closed and the key turning the strap to the up position, remove the
strap and adjust, reinstall, and Bob's your uncle.

Exactly my plan.... your idea to mark the right place for the notch is 
new to me.� Thank you for it....� Easy, quick, accurate.

Frank Filippone
BMWRed735i@g...

Another great technique.

You guys are great.....

Frank Filippone
BMWRed735i@g...

All

For the sake of completeness, here are images from 2 of my Kennedy boxes,
slightly different in the cam shape, but not the hook it catches in.  I
previously sent the red set to Frank directly, but here they are for others
who may care.

The brown 526 box
https://kirkhmb.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Woodworking-Tools/i-5CbwF4Z

The cam
https://kirkhmb.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Tools/Machinist-Tool-Boxes/i-jp29Fpr

The Hook
https://kirkhmb.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Tools/Machinist-Tool-Boxes/i-Htbc3nZ

The red set.
https://kirkhmb.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Woodworking-Tools/i-x2m4xW5
https://kirkhmb.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Tools/Machinist-Tool-Boxes/i-k3h7bLw
https://kirkhmb.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Tools/Machinist-Tool-Boxes/i-JXz5mpQ


Kirk in Half Moon Bay, trying to get stuff done during a late lunch



On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 6:26 PM Kirk Eppler  wrote:

>
> so the short answer, you have a drawer lock, and want to convert it into a
> chest lock.
>
> I'm guessing the doohickey is pretty close to the same regardless of the
> key style.  Most of mine are older, and have the flat key.  I can send you
> a traceable image of said doohickey, and you can make a wood or fiberobard
> one, see if it fits, and adjust as needed before you go to metal.
>
> KE
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 4:51 PM Frank Filippone 
> wrote:
>
>> OK.. Time to explain.....  This Box has no lock.  None.  No key either.
>>
>> What I am attempting to do is to use a different model Kennedy Lock (
>> that I bought on the cheap, new, old stock, as in $10) and modify it or
>> this box.
>>
>> Here is what I need to find out...
>>
>> There is a moving piece of metal (I call this the doo jiggey.) that
>> rotates when the key is turned.  This latches into the top of the box to
>> lock it.
>>
>> I bought a lock that has a long metal piece, but has no cut out to lock
>> into the top.  it is too long and it does not have the notch essential
>> for locking.
>>
>> What I need to do is to cut the metal doo jiggey on the lock, to match
>> the smaller correct doo jiggey piece and to cut the notch. Metal file
>> (and maybe a hack saw) work!
>>
>> To do that, I need a couple of measurements from the lock.... overall
>> length of doo jioggey, width and depth and relative location of notch on
>> the doo jiggey..
>>
>> So there you have it.... What and why.....
>>
>> Frank Filippone
>> BMWRed735i@g...
>>
>> On 2/16/2023 4:25 PM, cowtown_eric wrote:
>> > if it is unlocked, take the lock out and take it to a locksmith. Tubular
>> > locks can have keys made.
>> >
>> > OTOH, the Kennedy website lists replacement tubular locks locks for
>> around
>> > 40$ , probably the cheaper alternative.
>> >
>> > If it ws a flat lock, frugal me just picked it, removed the cylinder and
>> > removed the tabs....I did have a key in the junk pile that fit, so I
>> just
>> > fit in flats in the clyinder until I found one that would allow the key
>> to
>> > turn.
>> >
>> > Although I've never attempted to pick a circular lock, Youtube may hold
>> the
>> > answer., bu t you'd still have to have a key to fit !!!
>> >
>>
>>
>>

-- 
Kirk Eppler
*Planned Time Off*
*Out 2/20 - 22, 2023*
Principal Engineer
Pharm Dev Processing
eppler.kirk@g...
650 225-3911


-- 
Kirk Eppler in Half Moon Bay, CA 

Ain't it amazing how these beauties can  pile up and get filled!

As they multiply, I've taken to putting labels on the drawers to find the
contents easier!, cause all the drawers looke the same!


Obviously still a work in progress
https://www.flickr.com/photos/183694571@N.../52732941727/in/datetaken-public/

As tools get sorted!

The top one was a recent restoration that required re-painting with the
closest finish I could find!

Eric

> On Mar 8, 2023, at 1:40 AM, cowtown_eric  wrote:
> 
> As they multiply, I've taken to putting label
> The top one was a recent restoration that required re-painting with the
> closest finish I could find!
> 
At least one of the makers of aerosol spray paints makes a color intended to
match Kennedy boxes. ( Somebody: chime in with the make and color number! )

Kennedy itself sells rattle cans of matching paint. 

Almost every drawer, box, tote, bin, jar, etc. in all but the smallest shops
should be labeled!  My nephew opined "The only difference between a hoarder and
a passionate collector is organization!"

John Ruth
Who can hardly resist a Kennedy or Waterloo box at a great price.

I've taken to putting labels on the drawers

This is the weirdest thing.
I have tool and hardware drawers galore.
Well I thought I had drawers galore until I saw Rob Brophys haahahah

Anyway I have tool and hardware drawers
Some are labelled and some aren't.
Now here is the weirdest thing.

The unlabelled drawers, after a time, I remember whats in the drawers. 
Enough to just walk up and get what I want first time.
But the labels, I stand there like a yutz and read the damn labels every 
single time!  I simply cannot memorize them no matter how long its been.

Speaking of Kennedy
I have a classic Kennedy cantilever toolbox. Not the giant, too big to 
really carry, but the desirable smaller box.  Still plenty big with 3 
cantilevers on each side. Perfect mint condition with an extra, new, 
handle and hardware in a baggie.
   I really have no use for it but its too heavy to ship in today's 
shipping reality.
I wish one of you would come and fall in love with it and take it home.
   yours scott

-- 
*******************************
    Scott Grandstaff
    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
    scottg@s...
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html