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275084 Don Schwartz <dks@t...> 2022‑01‑16 unknown trademark
Along with items mentioned in a previous post, I picked up a damaged 
hornbeam? scrub plane at the Canadian Woodworker garage sale. I'm not 
sure I can repair the plane, which is badly split, but it has an iron of 
decent length which will find a use, once it's cleaned up. The iron has 
a mark which seems familiar to me, but which I can't identify. Photo is 
here:

https://groups.io/g/oldtools/photo/263819/3367806?p=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C2%2C0%2
C0

Anyone?

Don

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275088 Michael Blair <branson2@s...> 2022‑01‑16 Re: unknown trademark
I believe that is one of several logos used by Peugeot tools.  The most
recent logo on tools is a pair of lions, rampant, but Peugeot has been
in business (making tools) beginning in 1847.  Earlier logos used on
plane blades are more various.  I have one plane blade with a squirrel
as the logo, and another with an elephant logo.  Both of these are also
marked "acier foundu" (cast steel) and either Peugeot or Pugeot Freres. 
Both also marked "guarantie." 

Mike in Woodland
275091 Claudio DeLorenzi <claudio@d...> 2022‑01‑17 Re: unknown trademark
Possibly a variant of Peugeot Freres trademark? (which I think is a lion if
I remember)?  I’ve seen this before…
Cheers
Claudio
275097 Carlo <genk00005@g...> 2022‑01‑17 Re: unknown trademark
it’s German: https://www.holzwerken.de/museum/hersteller/becker_cf.phtml
The plane itself also has a very distinct German shape.

Cheers,
Carlo
275098 Don Schwartz <dks@t...> 2022‑01‑17 Re: unknown trademark
That's it!


      C. Ferd. Becker, Remscheid - a rampant goat?


Many thanks. I had looked at this site, but somehow missed this page...


Don

On 2022-01-16 11:45 p.m., Carlo wrote:
> it’s German:https://www.holzwerken.de/museum/hersteller/becker_cf.phtml
> The plane itself also has a very distinct German shape.
>
> Cheers,
> Carlo
>
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> 
>
>

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275099 Michael Blair <branson2@s...> 2022‑01‑17 Re: unknown trademark
The very thing, Carlo!  A goat, rampant.
275102 Chuck Taylor 2022‑01‑17 Re: unknown trademark
Carlo,

Nice job of sleuthing! I was thinking French because "Garantie" is French for
the English word "Guarantee" and I have seen it before on French plane irons.
Turns out that the German word for "Guarantee" is also "Garantie"!

Cheers,
Chuck Taylor
north of Seattle USA

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On Sunday, January 16, 2022, 10:45:19 PM PST, Carlo  wrote:

it’s German: https://www.holzwerken.de/museum/hersteller/becker_cf.phtml
The plane itself also has a very distinct German shape.

Cheers,
Carlo
275107 Don Schwartz <dks@t...> 2022‑01‑18 Re: unknown trademark
Yes. I've seen it on an Austrian iron as well.

Don

On 2022-01-17 4:09 p.m., Chuck Taylor via groups.io wrote:
> Carlo,
>
> Nice job of sleuthing! I was thinking French because "Garantie" is French for
the English word "Guarantee" and I have seen it before on French plane irons.
Turns out that the German word for "Guarantee" is also "Garantie"!
>
> Cheers,
> Chuck Taylor
> north of Seattle USA
>
> ================
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022, 10:45:19 PM PST, Carlo  wrote:
>
> it’s German: https://www.holzwerken.de/museum/hersteller/becker_cf.phtml
> The plane itself also has a very distinct German shape.
>
> Cheers,
> Carlo
>
>
>
> 
>
>

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Clean Portapotties
275108 Carlo <genk00005@g...> 2022‑01‑18 Re: unknown trademark
Gents,

actually, in this case I have a slight advantage. I’m Dutch and the word
“garantie” is the same in French, German and Dutch. So looking at the trademark
my first thought was Dutch, but then I saw the plane itself and instantly knew
it was German.

Cheers,
Carlo
275114 Chuck Taylor 2022‑01‑19 Re: unknown trademark
Carlo,

When I looked at the pictures of that plane and at pictures of a French Peugeot
Freres plane of the same era, they looked pretty much the same to me. What
should I be looking for to distinguish between, say, a French plane and a German
plane?

Cheers,
Chuck Taylor
north of Seattle USA

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.... So looking at the trademark my first thought was Dutch, but then I saw the
plane itself and instantly knew it was German.

Cheers,
Carlo
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275115 Carlo <genk00005@g...> 2022‑01‑19 Re: unknown trademark
Chuck,

First of all I have to admit I made a mistake. Don has told me he didn’t post a
picture of the actual plane. I assumed the plane in the picture next to the iron
with the goat trademark was the plane that came with it, but it was another
(similar) one.
As for the differences between Dutch, French and German planes, traditionally
their shapes have been dictated by the planemaker guilds. So in The Netherlands
all smoothing planes are rectangular. In general this is the same in France.
Only in Germany we see that nearly all planes are horned. So if I see a horned
wooden plane, the biggest chance is that it’s German or from a Germanic country
or region. And this last point is where it gets a little fuzzy, because the
French-German border has shifted a couple of times in the past and the eastern
part of France is in fact Germanic.
There are other kinds of exceptions too, such as models made for export (I know
of rare Dutch horned planes by Nooitgedagt) and irons which have outlived their
original plane and have been replaced in another plane.

Cheers,
Carlo
275116 Carlo <genk00005@g...> 2022‑01‑19 Re: unknown trademark
I do realize the question was about a scrub plane so I’ve posted some pictures
of a Dutch scrub plane here: https://groups.io/g/oldtools/photo/271826/3369074?p
=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C0
And a French (Peugeot) one here:
https://groups.io/g/oldtools/photo/271826/3369073?p=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C2%2C0%2
C0
275119 Chuck Taylor 2022‑01‑20 Re: unknown trademark
Carlo wrote:

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As for the differences between Dutch, French and German planes, traditionally
their shapes have been dictated by the planemaker guilds. So in The Netherlands
all smoothing planes are rectangular. In general this is the same in France.
Only in Germany we see that nearly all planes are horned. So if I see a horned
wooden plane, the biggest chance is that it’s German or from a Germanic country
or region. And this last point is where it gets a little fuzzy, because the
French-German border has shifted a couple of times in the past and the eastern
part of France is in fact Germanic.
===========

Thanks. That would explain why my French Stanley Goldenberg chisels look a lot
like German MHG chisels. The Goldenberg chisels were made in the Alsace Lorraine
region of France, near the German border.

Cheers,
Chuck Taylor
north of Seattle USA

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