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273389 | Stager, Scott P. <StagerS@m...> | 2021‑04‑08 | Anybody else regularly not receiving some emails from oldtools? |
For a few weeks I have not been receiving some emails generated by oldtools. The latest instance was Dan Becks request for a Froe. Scottg replied and I receivedf that reply. I found the original on the oldtools groups.io site as part of the thread. Numerous others have been missing in recent weeks. I never got Chris’s initial announceent of the photo side link including photo slide show of his bridge building. I managed to see that because one of the replies which I did receive still had the link. Getting pretty frustrating. — Scott The MIssouri one |
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273391 | Spike <spikethebike@c...> | 2021‑04‑08 | Re: Anybody else regularly not receiving some emails from oldtools? |
Me too! Best, Spike PS, I could use a froe as well! Sent from the seat of my pants |
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273400 | Tony Blanks <dynnyrne@i...> | 2021‑04‑08 | Re: Anybody else regularly not receiving some emails from oldtools? |
On 9/04/2021 5:39 am, Stager, Scott P. wrote: > For a few weeks I have not been receiving some emails generated by oldtools. The latest instance was Dan Becks request for a Froe. Scottg replied and I receivedf that reply. I found the original on the oldtools groups.io site as part of the thread. Same thing here. Not always, just sometimes. I generally pick up the thread of the discussion from whichever participant 'replies to' without trimming away the text of original post. So far I haven't missed anything important enough to bring me to raise the problem as an issue. Regards to all, (and particularly Chris S.) Tony B Hobart, Tasmania |
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273402 | Claudio DeLorenzi <claudio@d...> | 2021‑04‑08 | Re: Anybody else regularly not receiving some emails from oldtools? |
Wait, are we NOT supposed to trim messages anymore?? Not that I always remember to trim, but it would be convenient not to have to do that anymore. -- Claudio On Thu., Apr. 8, 2021, 7:46 p.m. Tony Blanks, |
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273403 | Kirk Eppler | 2021‑04‑09 | Re: Anybody else regularly not receiving some emails from oldtools? |
Or dear , please continue to trim, almost aggressively. As a regular reader and searcher of the archives, I really wish we were all better about that, myself included, over the past 20+ years. Besides, think of all the 1s and 0s you could have saved. KE On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 4:54 PM Claudio DeLorenzi |
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273409 | Stager, Scott P. <StagerS@m...> | 2021‑04‑09 | Re: Anybody else regularly not receiving some emails from oldtools? |
Well definitel trim - just leave enough behind so a reader can figure out what your are replying too. Maybe a critical link or two. Definitely trim the boiler plate at the bottom. You wouldn’t believe what that boilerplate and links look like by the time I receive them. My post office re- routes links through some kind of protective site that turns them into complete gibberish, so I can’t even tell what the original was. —Scott > On Apr 8, 2021, at 7:01 PM, Kirk Eppler via groups.io |
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273416 | Richard Wilson <yorkshireman@y...> | 2021‑04‑09 | Re: Anybody else regularly not receiving some emails from oldtools? |
Yep - this side of the atlantic the trade winds seem to whisk a few away - as Tony Blanks mentioned - not all, and not enough to ‘know’ - but there was no post about froes. On the other hand - you get some surprising pop up message half way through a dialogue and it’s a brain exercise to work out what the chippings is going on. - just pointing this up as another data point in case there’s a way of doing some checking. Richard Wilson up on the Scottish Borders… > On 8 Apr 2021, at 20:39, Stager, Scott P. |
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273417 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2021‑04‑09 | Re: Anybody else regularly not receiving some emails from oldtools? |
It's many years since I administered email, so I could well be mistaken, but I think this is a result of spam-filtering products being a little over-aggressive. Any message with numerous recipients could conceivably be taken by software to be spam, There are likely more than a few software products in use which produce somewhat different results, resulting in a lack of consistency. You can always talk to your your email provider, but in most cases, tier one support will have no idea how to resolve your issue, and the email specialists won't even want to talk to you about the products or methods they use to filter email. FWIW Don |
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273419 | Christopher Swingley <cswingle@g...> | 2021‑04‑09 | Re: Anybody else regularly not receiving some emails from oldtools? |
GGs, I haven't seen any evidence of missing messages to my account (gmail) or on the Archive (my personal server), which makes me think this is likely an issue of filtering by your mail provider, either messages winding up in Spam or outright rejected. Typically, rejections are bounced back to the sender (groups.io) and you'd get a message if that happened warning you that messages are bouncing from your account. I can see the list of those currently "boucing" and none of the people responding to this thread are on that list. The email system is very resiliant to distruptions with a mail server trying many times to get through to a recipient before finally giving up and bouncing the message back. Since those reporting issues aren't on the bounce list, this implies that the mail server attempted delivery, your mail server accepted the messages, and the message was lost at some point after that. Once a mail server gets the status 250 code (message accepted) from the recipient's server, it's out of the picture. Mailing lists are hard because the individual messages are coming from a variety of different email addresses, and the sending server (groups.io) doesn't match the original sender's domain, so these messages look suspicious. For example, this message will likely have a From header of < cswingle@g...>, but if you look inside the headers, the last server in the message chain will have a Received header of "groups.io", not "gmail.com". There are additional headers intended to make it clear that the mssage is part of a list and this discrepancy is to be expected, but of course, those can be spoofed by spammers as well. Anyway, I don't have any easy solutions, but I'm pretty sure this is happening within your mail provider's service. It would be nice to think they would consider you a valuable customer and would respond to complaints about the service you are receiving from them. If you can find a missing message in the Archive, I might be able to retrieve the headers from that message and this could be useful information to pass on to your provider. And yes, please trim your replies, and reply below the statements you are responding to. It takes a bit of work, but it's good for the Archives and it's easier to understand what you are trying to say. Cheers, ListMom, Chris -- Christopher Swingley Fairbanks, Alaska https://swingley.org/ |
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