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272558 | "Chris Wolf" <hframe79001@g...> | 2021‑01‑12 | Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2? |
There was something pretty close to what you're asking for years ago, the Bridge City CT-6. I don't know when they discontinued it, but here's an example: https://www.jimbodetools.com/products/1998-bridge-city-tool-works-ct-6-hand- drill-mint-in-original-box-78710 They turn up for sale occasionally. WKTools offers beautifully refurbished original eggbeater drills. Chris Schwarz praised them in Popular Woodworking in 2008. http://www.wktools.com/t_MF-hDrills/MF-handDrills.asp --Chris Check out H-frame, the site for vintage Workmates: https://h-frame.weebly.com/ |
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272564 | John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> | 2021‑01‑12 | Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2? |
Chris, If you are indeed seeking a Millers Falls #2 or #2A eggbeater drill, I want to suggest that they simply aren't all that rare, so don't overpay! Thousands were made over the course of multiple decades. You may find this type study useful: https://www.georgesbasement.com/mfno2typestudy/mfno2types.html Which is a sub-page of: https://www.georgesbasement.com/ I see M-F #2's a few times per year when I'm keeping up with the Flea Marketing, Yard Sale-ing, and Estate Sale-ing. As always, the more effort one puts into looking, the luckier one gets!!! My father had a #2 which had belonged to his father. Since it wasn't a power tool, I was allowed to use it from a young age. One day my teen-aged self somehow managed to break an internal part of the chuck. I repaired it by soft- soldering, but it was never "right." That jaw wasn't gripping equally with the other two. I felt really bad about this. About 15 years later, now a young adult, I found just the identical M-F #2 chuck at a Flea. Oh, how I enjoyed presenting that to my father! He expressed amazement that I was able to find just the chuck on the loose in the wild. With Pop's passing, this memory-laden drill is now mine. My daughters have used it, and I expect to pass it to my grandson. John Ruth |
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272565 | "Chris Wolf" <hframe79001@g...> | 2021‑01‑12 | Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2? |
It was Joseph who was looking for a "modern" Millers Falls; I gave him some suggestions. I have the Millers Falls No. 2 and 5a, a Goodell Pratt whose model I can't remember, and a really cool Yankee 555 breast drill. I've had a few others that I sold. --Chris Check out H-frame, the site for vintage Workmates: https://h-frame.weebly.com/ <https://h-frame.weebly.com/> ________________________________ From: John Ruth [mailto:johnrruth@h...] Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 6:16 PM To: Chris Wolf Cc: OldTools List Subject: Re: [OldTools] Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2? Chris, If you are indeed seeking a Millers Falls #2 or #2A eggbeater drill, I want to suggest that they simply aren't all that rare, so don't overpay! Thousands were made over the course of multiple decades. You may find this type study useful: https://www.georgesbasement.com/mfno2typestudy/mfno2types.html Which is a sub-page of: https://www.georgesbasement.com/ I see M-F #2's a few times per year when I'm keeping up with the Flea Marketing, Yard Sale-ing, and Estate Sale-ing. As always, the more effort one puts into looking, the luckier one gets!!! My father had a #2 which had belonged to his father. Since it wasn't a power tool, I was allowed to use it from a young age. One day my teen-aged self somehow managed to break an internal part of the chuck. I repaired it by soft-soldering, but it was never "right." That jaw wasn't gripping equally with the other two. I felt really bad about this. About 15 years later, now a young adult, I found just the identical M-F #2 chuck at a Flea. Oh, how I enjoyed presenting that to my father! He expressed amazement that I was able to find just the chuck on the loose in the wild. With Pop's passing, this memory-laden drill is now mine. My daughters have used it, and I expect to pass it to my grandson. John Ruth |
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272566 | Chuck Taylor | 2021‑01‑13 | Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2? |
Gentle Galoots, Dieter Schmid offers some modern eggbeater-style drills made by Schroder. (Dieter is in Germany and the prices are in Euros.) He calls them "wheel braces. |
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272567 | scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> | 2021‑01‑13 | Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2? |
Did you ever use a good one? They work like butter. Crazy soft runny butter. Rosewood handles. Precision chucks. There are a range of sizes. Nobody could top them. Millers, Goodell, Yankee Have any idea how many completely functional Millers Falls eggbeaters are still around? Find a decent one and restore it. Certainly worth your time. \Are your hands completely painted on? haahahaha yours scott -- ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html |
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272568 | Mike Lynd | 2021‑01‑13 | Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2? |
N.B., Because of Brexit concerns, Dieter Schmid will not currently deliver to the UK. Thank you, Boris! best wishes, Mike On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 at 01:10, Chuck Taylor via OldTools < oldtools@s...> wrote: |
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272569 | Kevin Foley <kevin.m.foley@c...> | 2021‑01‑13 | Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2? |
Lee Valley, US and Canada, stocks one Schroeder drill. Might possibly ship to the UK? Cheers, Kevin Sent from my iPhone |
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272570 | don schwartz <dks@t...> | 2021‑01‑13 | Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2? |
On 2021-01-12 6:08 p.m., Chuck Taylor via OldTools wrote: > Dieter Schmid offers some modern eggbeater-style drills made by Schroder. (Dieter is in Germany and the prices are in Euros.) He calls them "wheel braces. |
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272571 | "kevin.m.foley" <kevin.m.foley@c...> | 2021‑01‑13 | Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2? |
I did a search on Jim Bode’s site. He has some egg beater drills available. https://www.jimbodetools.com <https://www.jimbodetools.com/> Kevin |
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272572 | Thomas Conroy | 2021‑01‑13 | Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2? |
Chris Wolf replied to Joseph Holsten: >>There was something pretty close to what you're asking for years ago, the >>Bridge City CT-6. I don't know when they discontinued it, but here's an >>example:>>https://www.jimbodetools.com/products/1998-bridge-city- tool-works-ct-6-hand-">https://www.jimbodetools.com/products/1998-bridge-city- tool-works-ct-6-hand- >>drill-mint-in-original-box-78710 >>They turn up for sale occasionally. >>WKTools offers beautifully refurbished original eggbeater drills. Chris >>Schwarz praised them in Popular Woodworking in 2008.>>http://www.wktools.com/t_MF-hDrills/MF- handDrills.asp">http://www.wktools.com/t_MF-hDrills/MF-handDrills.asp<< Welcome, Joe. Pull up a chair; don't spit tobacco juice on the stove, it stinks and will give you cancer. Chris' information is excellent as far as it goes; but watch out for that Bridge City drill. They used the common two-pinion style of gearing, as in the later versions of the MF #2, rather than the functionally superior earlier model MF #2 with one pinion plus the LRRCW ("Little Rail Road Car Wheel"): https://www.georgesbasement.com/mfno2typestudy/mfno2types.html Typical Bridge City: a lot of expensive bling, but functionally not quite first rate (don't get me started on BC's far-famed trysquares: all the cost of a Starrett, without a tenth of the precision. I mean this literally: compare the guaranteed run-out of the two, if you have time and focus to convert from one specification system to the other). Eggbeater drills, unlike most hand tools, will wear out and need to be replaced in less than a lifetime of use. My experience with eggbeaters is that, although some problems are repairable, the main spindle will often wear far out of true, and it doesn't wear evenly; so that you end up with a conical spindle, most likely with the narrow end toward the frame. This causes incurable wobble and affects the quality of work, so don't buy an eggbeater drill sight unseen. Happily, there seem to be plenty of sound LRRCW #2s around, especially if you don't worry too much about cosmetic problems. Given roughly the same size, to the best of my knowledge and belief the only drill fit to compete with the LRRCW #2 is the Goodell-Pratt #5-1/2. However, every #5.5 I have used is badly worn in one feature or another, probably due to having a (speculative) generation more use than the #2s. My favorite eggbeater is a #5.5 with a broken chuck, where it holds the bit OK but is extremely fussy and awkward to change bits; everything else is OK, so I keep an eighth-inch bit permanently chucked in this #5.5 for making long pilot holes. The #5.5 is (like the #2) a two-pinion drill with a device to hold the big pinion against the small, but the GP flat non-adjustable blade is definitely inferior to the LRRCW adjustable roller. On the other hand the #2 is always a one-speed drill. whereas the #5.5 is two-speed, which might be convenient if the gearbox ever worked. The GP is definitely more elegant, with lighter lines and graceful if that matters to you (it does to me). A tricky choice if it weren't for the question of wear; as things are, go for the MF#2 with LRRCW and use it for the couple of decades until you find a #5.5 in good condition. If told, I am happy to believe that there is an eggbeater drill in production as functionally good as an ordinary two-pinion MF #2. Nothing better, though. And a two-pinion #2 in unrestored ready-to-go condition will probably run you half the price of a new eggbeater. Maybe $25.00 tops. Same thing for a LRRCW, by the way: connoisseurship in eggbeater drills does not seem to be reflected in price, at least in my neck of the wild. Tom ConroyBerkeley |
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