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269884 | scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> | 2020‑02‑06 | Crazy Tool Prices |
Sometimes a couple of crazy deep pocket buyers will make a crazy price on most anything. Some things stay at a ridiculous price point for years. People drive up the price because they thought it was rare, and even after dozens to hundreds are found, the silly price stays because people got used to thinking they were valuable. But more fun are "holes" in the market. I am about to fall --into-- the earth, from the iron that has landed in my possession these past few years. Its chisels. Its a hole you can drive a D8 Cat into! Since the current generation is deadlock dumbface frozen onto new retail tools. (OMG not every minute they are 2000 born every second.....) And since a bunch of modern manufacturers have figured out that a pound or two of steel makes a buttload of little 4" blade wood chisels, that they can sell for tippy top dollar..... Nobody is looking for old chisels. You can have the best chisels ever made for almost nothing if you hunt I am traditionally the poorest / cheapest guy on the list. Always true, still is. Mostly the last year alone, I was able to get these for about 1/10the price of facetious catalog retail. (That dinky little thing in front is a direct copy of a Stanley 750, same size nearly all the new chisels mimic.) http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/cranknecks.JPG Built for hard work http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/paringwand2.JPG Last years scores. Also dirt cheap http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/chisels2018f.jpg I am letting the cat out of the bag. I almost have enough now yours Scott -- ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html |
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269886 | scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> | 2020‑02‑06 | Re: Crazy Tool Prices |
> http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/cranknecks.JPG > > Oh PS Look toward the back of the bench. Those are paper napkins in a homemade dispenser box. In the cheapest vein.... Paper napkins are remarkably effective at lots of shop tasks and they are just barely this side of free I showed you guys my compass to the left of it, right? yours again Scott -- ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html |
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269887 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2020‑02‑06 | Re: Crazy Tool Prices |
For living in the middle of nowhere, you really come up with some stuff. And your chisel plane is lovely. I found a broken 9-1/2 (standard, common as dirt block plane Jeff) that had the front broken off, and cut it down to a chisel plane. I ground the blade and took off the burr and it seemed to work fine so I didn’t spend any more time on it. Been about 6-7 years IIRC, and I have used it once - but it looks cool on the shelf, which is the point, right? https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/49496067021/in/dateposted-public/ My problem with having lots of tools is that when I need to solve a woodworking problem, I never remember I have the solution until after I’ve solved it another way Ed Minch |
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269890 | Bill Ghio | 2020‑02‑06 | Re: Crazy Tool Prices |
> On Feb 6, 2020, at 4:39 AM, Ed Minch |
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269892 | Christopher Dunn <christopherdunn123@g...> | 2020‑02‑06 | Re: Crazy Tool Prices |
Ed I've got the same problem as well, my tools exceed my memory. I had some crazy grain wood, and ended up using a scraper on it. It looked OK, but I kind of dug a hole with it getting rid of some tear out. A month later, I'm looking on my shelf, and there is a Stanley 112 scraper plane! Did I buy a 112? I must have at some point, but I don't remember doing so. Thanks, Chris |
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269894 | John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> | 2020‑02‑06 | Re: Crazy Tool Prices |
Gentle Galoots: > On Feb 6, 2020, at 9:27 AM, Christopher Dunn |
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269905 | Darrell & Kathy <larchmont@s...> | 2020‑02‑07 | Re: Crazy Tool Prices |
On 2/6/2020 1:45 AM, scott grandstaff wrote: > > > Nobody is looking for old chisels. You can have the best chisels > ever made for almost nothing if you hunt > > What Scott said. I go to the local tool show, and buy decent chisels from dealers, not even garage sale stuff, and I am paying like $20 CAD for a tool that just needs a good sharpening. Less if it needs a handle. And the same thing from the Shiny Chisel Boutiques will set you back $200. And if you want a proper paring chisel you gotta buy an old one. The ones that are popular now seem awfully heavy, thick, and coarse to me, compared to the lovely vintage paring chisels I have. -- Darrell LaRue Oakville ON Wood Hoarder, Blade Sharpener, and Occasional Tool User |
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269909 | Matt Cooper <MaNoCooper@l...> | 2020‑02‑07 | Re: Crazy Tool Prices |
Ha, now I have something to do with those Block planes that come my way. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S10. -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Ghio via OldTools |
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269920 | "Joseph Sullivan" <joe@j...> | 2020‑02‑08 | Re: Crazy Tool Prices |
SNIP Last years scores. Also dirt cheap http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/chisels2018f.jpg END SIP Scott, hard to tell with the photo perspective, but are you using shaker pegs as handles in those carving tools? K |
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269921 | scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> | 2020‑02‑09 | Re: Chinachiz |
On 2/8/2020 2:29 PM, Joseph Sullivan wrote: > SNIP > Last years scores. Also dirt cheap > http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/chisels2018f.jpg > END SIP > > Scott, hard to tell with the photo perspective, but are you using shaker pegs as handles in those carving tools? Those are Chinese carving chisels in the upper right, Joe A totally different animal it took me some time to figure out. My buddy Matthew brought them back from a street market in China when he was teaching there. Lots of weird blade shapes like heavily skewed incannel shallow gouges, or radical fishtail straight chisels. Lots of big cutting edges on a long slender lightweight tool. Some of you will remember I'm sure? This was a few years ago. Well, he just brought back the unhandled tools. I tried several different handle configurations (so did Jim Thompson) but none we made was very satisfactory. Then I finally found some pix and got a clue to go on. The chisels are not made to be driven forward, like a standard western chisel. The technique is more like rowing a boat. You park one hand, holding the chisel blade, on the surface and place your other hand on top of the mushroom at the end of the handle. Then you slip a corner of the oddly shaped blade into the wood and sweep your top hand around. Neatly slipping under the surface of the wood and "walking" the chip out. Its pretty weird and I am not the best at it yet. But its like cheating. Instead of brutally driving the chisel in along the grain, you are slipping in a corner and sweeping mostly crossgrain, and slicing/levering the chip out. Its nearly effortless to take a big fat chip when you get it right. The chisels are lightweight with a wrapped but unwelded socket that is spring tempered. Putting the handle in spreads the socket open a skosh and then it bites down hard on the handle tenon, holding it very tightly. The constant sideways motion would loosen a welded socket chisel handle in no time. But the spring sockets hold very well. Since heavy pushing or pounding the chisel is off the menu, handles don't need to be really hard wood. I just split some old growth fir billets as I was making kindling for the fire, and went with those. I started by turning the whole handle at once. But the 2 1/2" diameter mushroom atop the long handle was really a lot of waste to hog off. So I started turning them as straight handles with a tenon on the end and then turning the mushrooms wholesale off the same billet, gluing them together. Totally useless chisel handle configuration for western chisels but completely adequate for the Chinese style. In China they carve 75 foot long wooden bridges from giant timbers, and carve detailed scenes a foot deep along the whole thing. And countless other examples of giant carving like it was ordinary practice. Nearly unfathomable wood carving. This is how they do it. yours Scott -- ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html |
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269922 | curt seeliger <seeligerc@g...> | 2020‑02‑09 | Re: Chinachiz |
Scott wrote: > ... Lots of weird blade shapes like heavily skewed incannel shallow gouges, > or radical fishtail straight chisels. Lots of big cutting edges on a > long slender lightweight tool. > ... The technique is more like rowing a boat. You park one hand, holding the > chisel blade, on the surface and place your other hand on top of the > mushroom at the end of the handle. This sounds a lot like knife work, like a twca cam or what a mocotaugan might be with more steel. I'm not catching those odd skews in your picture - are you saving those for a show&tell that you forgot about telling? |
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269924 | Chuck Taylor | 2020‑02‑10 | Re: Chinachiz |
On Sunday, February 9, 2020, 8:51:33 AM PST, scott grandstaff |
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269925 | "Joseph Sullivan" <joe@j...> | 2020‑02‑10 | Re: Chinachiz |
SNIP In China they carve 75 foot long wooden bridges from giant timbers, and carve detailed scenes a foot deep along the whole thing. And countless other examples of giant carving like it was ordinary practice. Nearly unfathomable wood carving. END SNIP Thanks, Scott. Absolutely fascinating. J |
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269928 | gtgrouch@r... | 2020‑02‑10 | Re: Chinachiz |
Of course the truly important question is: "Where can I get my own set?" Gary Katsanis Albion New York, USA -----------------------------------------From: "Chuck Taylor via OldTools" To: "porch", "scott grandstaff" Cc: Sent: Sunday February 9 2020 11:38:13PM Subject: Re: [OldTools] Chinachiz On Sunday, February 9, 2020, 8:51:33 AM PST, scott grandstaff wrote: > Those are Chinese carving chisels in the upper right, Joe > A totally different animal it took me some time to figure out. > My buddy Matthew brought them back from a street market in China when > he was teaching there. ... > Some of you will remember I'm sure? This was a few years ago. > Well, he just brought back the unhandled tools. Of course some of us remember, Scott! To read the FAQ: OldTools@s... |
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