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269015 | Bill Ghio | 2019‑08‑07 | Whatsit?? |
When we travel we like to check out local museums as they are always interesting and of course focused on the local area. No surprise, I always gravitate to any tool related content and am usually amused by the misidentified tools. Holyhead, Wales, has a small but well done Maritime Museum. In their display of shipwright’s tool everything was well identified except for item #10. This is what they said about it: “Very often shipwrights made their own tools for specific jobs. This crude user- made plane is one such tool…but what was it used for?” https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../48482421007/in/dateposted/ Unfortunately I could not handle it or see any other view than the one pictured, so scant information to go on. My best guess is a very large spill plane. Any ideas? Bill |
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269016 | Phil Schempf <philschempf@g...> | 2019‑08‑07 | Re: Whatsit?? |
Skewed like that makes me think it was used cross grain, maybe to make a scarf joint for joining planks. Were you able to get an idea of what the sole looked like and how it was oriented to the blade (was the cutting edge flush with the sole, was the sole square with the sides - not easy the way it was displayed)? Phil |
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269017 | Peter Marquis-Kyle <peter@m...> | 2019‑08‑07 | Re: Whatsit?? |
On 8/08/2019 5:08 am, Bill Ghio via OldTools wrote: > When we travel we like to check out local museums as they are always interesting and of course focused on the local area. No surprise, I always gravitate to any tool related content and am usually amused by the misidentified tools. Holyhead, Wales, has a small but well done Maritime Museum. In their display of shipwright’s tool everything was well identified except for item #10. This is what they said about it: > > “Very often shipwrights made their own tools for specific jobs. This crude user-made plane is one such tool…but what was it used for?” > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../48482421007/in/dateposted/ > > Unfortunately I could not handle it or see any other view than the one pictured, so scant information to go on. My best guess is a very large spill plane. Any ideas? A spill plane? -- Peter Marquis-Kyle |
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269018 | Phil Schempf <philschempf@g...> | 2019‑08‑07 | Re: Whatsit?? |
Here’s a modern version of a spile plane with an explanation - http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=64338&cat=1,230,41182 Sent from my iPhone |
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269019 | Erik Levin | 2019‑08‑07 | Re: Whatsit?? |
Bill wondered what a museum housed plane is for Phil though scarf, Peter thought spill My 40% of a nickel leans away from spill, as the angles just don't look right. I can see it being used for cross grain work. I can see it making decent spills with the grain. Looking at the photo, it appears that the iron is skew, and tilted into the far corner (top towards the camera), where we can not see, which would make me wonder it it is for getting into a corner, as a shoulder plane for tenons. *** This message was sent from a convenience email service, and the reply address(es) may not match the originating address |
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269020 | Peter Marquis-Kyle <peter@m...> | 2019‑08‑07 | Re: Whatsit?? |
On 8/08/2019 8:11 am, Phil Schempf wrote: > Here’s a modern version of a spile plane with an explanation - > http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=64338&cat=1,230,41182 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 7, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Peter Marquis-Kyle > |
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269021 | John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> | 2019‑08‑08 | Re: Whatsit?? |
Peter, > Pretty clever, knowing that we are in a maritime museum, and that shipwrights say 'spile', not 'scribe'. I can't cope. Oh...God! John Ruth |
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269022 | Mike Rock <mikerock@m...> | 2019‑08‑08 | Re: Whatsit?? |
Reminds me of when the King locked the court Jester in a room and would not let him out until he told a pun, to which the Jester replied, "Oh, PUN the door"..... Yup, I'm sick......... :)))) |
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269023 | Phil Schempf <philschempf@g...> | 2019‑08‑08 | Re: Whatsit?? |
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 3:05 PM Peter Marquis-Kyle |
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269024 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2019‑08‑08 | Re: Whatsit?? |
On 2019-08-07 6:41 p.m., Mike Rock wrote: > Reminds me of when the King locked the court Jester in a room and > would not let him out until he told a pun, to which the Jester > replied, "Oh, PUN the door"..... > Yup, I'm sick......... :)))) > > On 8/7/2019 7:10 PM, John Ruth wrote: >> Peter, >> >>> Pretty clever, knowing that we are in a maritime museum, and that >>> shipwrights say 'spile', not 'scribe'. I can't cope. >> Oh...God! Looks like we're headed down another rabbet hole! Will there be an eventual rebate? Couldn't be helped. Had to be said. Don -- Enough protectionist cr@p... BUY CANADIAN. - I said that. “Dear future generations: Please accept our apologies. We were rolling drunk on petroleum.” ― Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. “Nature does not care for your opinion.” Robin Coope “You never know who's swimming naked until the tide goes out.”—Warren Buffet “In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria.” - Benjamin Franklin |
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269027 | Bill Ghio | 2019‑08‑08 | Re: Whatsit?? |
> On Aug 8, 2019, at 1:03 AM, Don Schwartz |
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269040 | scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> | 2019‑08‑11 | Re: Whatsit?? |
>> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../48482421007/in/dateposted/ > A spill plane? > With the blade at that screwy angle and the side escapement, its most definitely a spill plane I guarantee there is base like a chamfer plane lurking on the bottom too I just don't know why it was so long? Most are about 8" or so. Maybe they needed extra thick spiles on ships? Its a spill jack yours scott -- ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html |
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269041 | RH Hutchins <rhhutchins@h...> | 2019‑08‑11 | Re: Whatsit?? |
Might those spills have been used to light cannon fuses instead of pipes? Bob Hutchins Temple, TX, USA |
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269042 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2019‑08‑11 | Re: Whatsit?? |
GGG Much better than a spill for gun work is a slow match. Used on both of the tall ships I volunteer on, it is now a piece of cotton cord that looks much like clothes line, soaked in potassium nitrate. Easy to ignite but burns at the rate of about a foot an hour with just an ember stuck to the end of the cord. No open flame and no burning ember falls off. This is very important on a gun deck where you may have 30 guns getting ready to fire. About 18” of slow match is wrapped around the tip of a linstock, and both ends are lit if things get critical, just in case one end goes out. The linstock is also 24-30” long to get the operator as far from the gun as possible because a blast of fire and brimstone come straight up out of the touch hole when it fires - and also, the gun can recoil unpredictably. Check the smoke coming straight up out of the breech here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/48514097566/in/dateposted-public/ No need of a slow match on a flintlock, of course, and canon had flintlocks called gunlocks after the late 18th c. And there are no cannon on a ship, just guns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linstock Ed Minch |
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269058 | Michael Suwczinsky <nicknaylo@g...> | 2019‑08‑21 | Re: Whatsit?? |
How many guns are you firing at a time? The little bits of square rigged gunfire seen here on the left coast tends to run from one pounders on down to signal guns and precious few rounds at that! Michael No open flame and no burning ember falls off. This is very important on a gun deck where you may have 30 guns getting ready to fire. -- Michael |
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269059 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2019‑08‑21 | Re: Whatsit?? |
Michael Nobody fires 30 guns at a time any more. We have an annual festival on Memorial Day where we re-enact a tea party that never happened. Our 18th c. English warship (small, but built to period plans so VERY accurate) fends of the colonists who are all firing rifles as they march down High Street from the Court House to the River. We are at anchor a couple of hundred feet out and we fire perhaps a dozen shots out of four 1 pound cannon in 6-8 minutes and that is plenty hectic for me - very loud. This is a reproduction from the 1625 Vasa. She had 24 12 pounders like this on each side along with 3 smaller guns on each side. Imagine 24 of these going off in quick succession, then again less than a minute later, and again less than a minute after that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpNS0JpnUNY: Ed Minch |
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269060 | dks <dks@t...> | 2019‑08‑21 | Re: Whatsit?? |
This thread seems to have wandered well off topic. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Minch" |
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269660 | "Joseph Sullivan" <joe@j...> | 2020‑01‑13 | Re: Whatsit?? |
Several months ago, Ed MInch said: SNIP GGG Much better than a spill for gun work is a slow match.... get the operator as far from the gun as possible because a blast of fire and brimstone come straight up out of the touch hole when it fires - and also, the gun can recoil unpredictably. Check the smoke coming straight up out of the breech here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/48514097566/in/dateposted-public/ No need of a slow match on a flintlock, of course, and canon had flintlocks called gunlocks after the late 18th c. And there are no cannon on a ship, just guns. END SNIP Quite right about the match, Ed, but "just guns?" Not Serpentines, Carronades, and guns of various weights of throw? BTW, did anyone else read the Aubrey-Maturin novel series, and if so, get to the part where Lucky Jack Aubrey buys out the power from a defunct fireworks maker? It propels loads alright, but sounds funny and makes tremendous flashed of green, buke yellow or red depending on what barrel is used. Very funny. Joe |
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269661 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2020‑01‑13 | Re: Whatsit?? |
Yes Joe - they are all guns, not cannon or cannons. All of the other names describe guns. What was the name of the book in the series with the multi- colored flash? This is always fun: https://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=EpNS0JpnUNY |
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