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267271 | Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> | 2018‑12‑03 | interesting plane from alameda flea |
assembled galoots in pre-christmas/current hannukah/pre-solstice cheer, a few of us went on our annual december alameda fleabag run yesterday, and much (ga)loot was had obtained. usually i can keep track of who bought what, but between kirk eppler, michael suwczinsky, joe jerkins, joe parker, brian rytel, and i, we packed the tailgate for the end of day shot. we actually had to make a trip mid-wander back to the cars to drop off... kirk or michael or joe or brian will have photographs of said tailgate. one of the items i managed to score was a center bead plane with unusual boxing. it's boxed with horn, 3 pieces, in a sliding dovetail let in to the sole of the plane. the plane is stamped "minzies" on the toe and "j.e. cutts" on the side; apparently minzies is in goodman, and was a glasgow maker in the 1811-1816 period. if anyone has goodman, and wants to confirm this, i'd appreciate it; i'd also appreciate it if anyone knows anything about the maker, or has seen planes by them in the past. has anyone seen makers use horn as boxing before? it's tough to search for, because of "horn planes"; looking up "horn boxing" didn't yield anything either. i tried to upload pictures to GIC but am getting 404 errors. did i miss something about changes there? i wrote to brian about it, though. kirk kindly allowed me to post the pictures on his smugmug account, so have a look at https://kirkhmb.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Other-Galoots/Bill-Kasper/ and you can see the little beauty. enjoying monday best i can, bill felton, ca |
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267272 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2018‑12‑03 | Re: interesting plane from alameda flea |
Bill How does it look that the horn is wearing? Very cool Ed Minch |
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267273 | Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> | 2018‑12‑03 | Re: interesting plane from alameda flea |
it's definitely worn, ed, but when i sighted down it it's still well-shaped for the center bead. it's still tight in its dovetail, and none of the individual pieces are loose at all. the iron is worn worst; it might be time to cut a new iron and keep the old one on the shelf. however, for the nonce i'll just sharpen the old iron and give it a try. oddly enough, the wedge is twisted above the plane body, but it fits nice and tight. i've not seen *that* before. |
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267274 | Greg Isola <gregorywisola@g...> | 2018‑12‑03 | Re: interesting plane from alameda flea |
Nice pickup, Bill. Very cool. Is the bedding angle steeper than usual, or is that just the photo angle? I'm asking because maybe the horn and 55? degree angle indicate intended use on especially hard wood, or something like that. Just a thought. Greg Isola Alameda, CA still banging his head for missing the flea yesterday... |
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267275 | Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> | 2018‑12‑04 | Re: interesting plane from alameda flea |
good eyes, greg. i believe it *is* steeper than usual; i didn't even consider bedding angle. i'll measure it against my h&r and beaders tonight. york pitch is 50deg apparently, and middle pitch 55deg, this looks even steeper than that. maybe horn slicks up better on strange hardwoods than box? best, bill just say "we missed you yesterday" |
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267276 | Joshua Clark <jclark@h...> | 2018‑12‑04 | Re: interesting plane from alameda flea |
Cabinet pitch is 55 degrees, middle pitch is 60. Based on the sole profile, that looks like a cock bead to me, not a center bead. I haven't seen one boxed with bone before. That's a really cool plane. Josh |
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267277 | Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> | 2018‑12‑04 | Re: interesting plane from alameda flea |
josh, it’s 60deg, so middle pitch, and you’re right, a cock bead. thanks for the clarification. definitely horn, not bone, though. cheers! bill |
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267278 | "Adam R. Maxwell via OldTools" <oldtools@s...> | 2018‑12‑04 | Re: interesting plane from alameda flea |
> On Dec 3, 2018, at 09:50 , Dragon List |
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267280 | Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> | 2018‑12‑04 | Re: interesting plane from alameda flea |
adam, thanks. would love to see the marks. i can find NO reference of any planemaker ever using horn. if it wasn't as tight as it is, and did't fit the dovetail with no gaps, i'd wonder if it was replacement for boxwood or lv. either way, you're right, someone did do a heck of a job. after reading and looking at how cock bead planes are used, i realize the original iron is NOT there. but it gives me the desire to forge and file one, to get this working properly. cheers, bill felton, ca |
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