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266297 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2018‑08‑04 Wood
MLW is a top-notch web surfer and came up with this:

https:/
/publicdomainreview.org/collections/the-american-woods/

I would love to see one of these in person

Ed Minch
266298 "Michael Dawson (Misterschmoo)" <misterschmoo@g...> 2018‑08‑04 Re: Wood
At the Polytech where I trained in carpentry and furniture and joinery an old
gentleman died and donated his collection of these to the Polytech it takes up
the entire hallway that leads through the department, it’s great, he has samples
of the entire world listed by country.

A fantastic resource.

Michael 
NZ

From: Ed Minch
Sent: Sunday, 5 August 2018 1:15 AM
To: Galoots
Subject: [OldTools] Wood


MLW is a top-notch web surfer and came up with this:

https:/
/publicdomainreview.org/collections/the-american-woods/

I would love to see one of these in person

Ed Minch




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266305 Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> 2018‑08‑07 Re: Wood
On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 6:15 AM Ed Minch  wrote:

>
> MLW is a top-notch web surfer and came up with this:
>
> > htt
ps://publicdomainreview.org/collections/the-american-woods/
>
> I would love to see one of these in person


I have a copy of the book, with photos of the wood instead of real wood
slices.  Fun to look through when you are stumped for an ID.  I am away
from my copy, but will compare it to the IA version later for picture
quality

htt
ps://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/classics/all/04428/facts.the_woodbook.ht
m?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_YTs59HZ3AIVD6vsCh15cwOoEAQYAiABEgKmh_D_BwE

>
Kirk in HMB, but not at the moment.

>
> --
Sent from my iPad, apologies for the Auto Correct errors. Kirk
266315 Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> 2018‑08‑08 Re: Wood
So, took a quick look at both the online, and my hard copy books.  Biggest
thoughts after spending 10 minutes with them:

1 - the online version is hard to read, gold text on black background
didn't scan well.
2 - the online version is 14 volumes, mine is one, so it was easiest to
open a random online copy, flip in til I hit the color plates, then look
for the hardcopy version to compare
3 - the online versions color plates look better, the backlighting effect
seems to have been taken into consideration when scanning.

Since the online version was scanned from a real copy, and mine was
reproduced from a (probably different) real copy, the wood pix don't
match.  Looking at p43 in mine, Red maple, I have more grain swirl in the
transverse section, and a water stain (so it seems) on the tangential
section.

For those who don't want to spend the $40 for the book, the online is a
great tool, though probably a bit more cumbersome.  If I got down to really
splitting hairs on which was which between a wood sample, I might use the
online version for a second example.

Kirk in HMB, enjoyed a vacation day with my youngest today, and dinner with
both girls tonight.


On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Kirk Eppler  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 6:15 AM Ed Minch  wrote:
>
>>
>> MLW is a top-notch web surfer and came up with this:
>>
>> >> h
ttps://publicdomainreview.org/collections/the-american-woods/
>>
>> I would love to see one of these in person
>
>
> I have a copy of the book, with photos of the wood instead of real wood
> slices.  Fun to look through when you are stumped for an ID.  I am away
> from my copy, but will compare it to the IA version later for picture
> quality
>
> > https://w
ww.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/classics/all/
> 04428/facts.the_woodbook.htm?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_
> YTs59HZ3AIVD6vsCh15cwOoEAQYAiABEgKmh_D_BwE
>
>>
> Kirk in HMB, but not at the moment.
>
>>
>> --
> Sent from my iPad, apologies for the Auto Correct errors. Kirk
>



-- 
Kirk Eppler
Principal Engineer
PP&TD
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650 225-3911
266316 Matthew Groves <grovesthegrey@g...> 2018‑08‑08 Re: Wood
I recall a similar website with super super high res pictures, radial,
tangential and end grain for each species.

Am I misremembering?

Matthew Groves
Springfield, MO
266323 Ken Shepard <waruba@c...> 2018‑08‑08 Re: Wood
The publicdomainreview.org site cited that Ed mentioned has a selection of
pages from The American Woods.  The North Carolina State Univ. site has the
entire 14 volumes with images at three resolutions, the highest being
600dpi.  Also, lots of other interesting stuff about wood and forestry.


https://www.lib.ncsu.edu/specialcollections/forestry/hough/index.html

Ken

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 10:07 PM Matthew Groves 
wrote:
266329 Norm Wood <normw013@f...> 2018‑08‑08 Re: Wood
Hi Matthew,

On 07 Aug, Matthew Groves wrote:

> I recall a similar website with super super high res pictures, radial,
> tangential and end grain for each species.
> 
> Am I misremembering?

Maybe Hobbit House?

http://hobbithouseinc.com
/personal/woodpics/

Norm
Madison, WI
266330 d woodham <dbwoodham@g...> 2018‑08‑08 Re: Wood
Possibly?

https://woodidentification.net/
266334 "Adam R. Maxwell via OldTools" <oldtools@s...> 2018‑08‑11 Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when?
Hi Charlie,

> On Aug 10, 2018, at 20:19 , Charles Driggs via OldTools  wrote:
> 
> #1 — I’m not aware of any place named Perth in the British Isles, so I’m
wondering if one of our fellow Galoots Down Under may have a reference on 19th C
Aussie toolmakers that might indicate the period of time when Malloch & Sons
were operating to define the range of time when the iron probably was made.  I’m
expecting that to be in the period 1840 - 1900.

Perth, Scotland, it seems. Don McConnell has the relevant bits from
Goodman in a post here:

http://swingleydev.com/ot/
get/91226/thread/

>> The plane was made by the planemaking firm of David MALLOCH & SON for sale by
>> Ironmongers D. GALLOWAY & Co.
>> 
>> W.L. Goodman's _British Planemakers from 1700_, Third Edition, c. 1993,
>> Astragal Press, lists the working dates for both firms:
>> 
>> MALLOCH, David & Son                       PERTH
>> 50 South St. (The Perth Plane Works)     1878-1913
>> 11 East Campbell St., Glasgow            1914-1932>
>> (Subsidiary of Alex. Mathieson, Glasgow)

Adam
266335 Charles Driggs 2018‑08‑11 Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when?
Thanks, Adam!

and the answer eliminates the rest of questions.

Charlie
266343 Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> 2018‑08‑13 Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when?
After reading Charlie's post I wondered if there was indeed a Perth in
Scotland (land of many of my forebears).  And (before I saw Adam's reply) I
found this, at 50 South Street in Perth:  https://www.google.com/maps/pl
ace/50+South+St,+Perth+PH2+8PD,+UK/@56.3951396,-3.4286161,
3a,15y,157.61h,110.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soV_vR1xzW2alPDwG
NA2f2w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x48863b
1113bf5c73:0x6c0
ff5178238a71e!8m2!3d56.3950068!4d-3.4284782  You can still see the building
to which they moved in this shot, with the lovely architectural
ornamentation showing an axe, a saw, and other tools on the building's
façade.   It was *this* that got me going down the rabbit hole to find out
more about David Malloch and his planemaking in Perth.

Apparently there was a wealth of information on Wiktor's site under the
Mathieson history...but no more.  I gathered info from a number of found
posts, but did a lot of digging in primary sources:  the Scottish Post
Office Directories.  https://digital.nl
s.uk/directo
ries/browse/archive/91049054  These mostly confirmed the information in
other posts, but I did glean some new information.

The basic outline is as according to this Worthpoint seller (
https://ww
w.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/early-1800s-scottish
-infill-plane-513188107), that John McGlashan was a Perth planemaker in the
first half of the 1800s whose business passed to David Malloch on John's
death in 1849, and ran it until 1913 under various guises.

In more detail, Malloch looks to have taken over McGlashan's business and
his home (with McGlashan's wife, a milliner, moving next door, until she
apparently passed away, or left Perth, in 1857) on South Methven Street in
1850.  Malloch made planes from a location down the street from his house
as "David Malloch" until about 1854, when he moved the business to the
center of town, opposite the main church ("Kirkside"), at 25 St. John's
Street ("Above Working Men's Coffee-Room").  Interestingly, all the
advertisements listing 25 St. John's Street have a statement "(Successor to
John M'Glashan)" that implies he still needed to trade on McGlashan's name.
By 1854 he was making "Joiners' and Cabinetmakers' Tools of every
description.  Saws, Chisels, Braces, Bits, and Augers, of all sizes."  He
ran the same basic ad through the 1866 directory.

He used the same manufactory until 1870, when he moved the business to 50
South Street, which is only about three blocks away from Kirkside.  While
there are no directories provided between 1866 and 1872 to say when the
move was undertaken, according to a comment at the bottom of this post:
https://automobilrevue.ne
t/v/Q2l5bXNMNWFQVUU "A notice in the Perthshire
Courier of Tuesday 26 April 1870, recorded that “David Malloch, Plane
Manufacturer and Edge Tool Merchant …. has removed from Kirkside to more
commodious premises at 50 South St. …”  The author speculates "It is
apparent that the Malloch business had steadily grown and with the move to
South St, further expansion was possible.  These were extensive premises
for a firm that seems to have undertaken little or no other work than
planemaking."  Expand they did, and by 1881 the firm had 9 employees.  I
think the author of that comment was actually incorrect, in that they were
making everything a joiner or cabinetmaker could need, and so goes against
the idea of "little or no other work than planemaking."

And now here's where things get a little awry.  Goodman's lists the Perth
Plane Works under David Malloch & Son from 1878-1913.  The
automobilrevue.net link shows David Malloch & Son (1878-1913) separately
from The Perth Plane works, but the latter with no dates.  Based on what I
could glean from the Scottish Post Office Directories, David Malloch & Son
indeed was *mentioned* in 1878, but in the years 1880-1891 was still David
Malloch, planemaker.  There is no trace of William in the Perth directories
until the 1891 directory, when he's shown living at Croft Park with his
mother; David appears to have passed away.  William was born in 1849,
according to Britain's 1881 census; perhaps when he was 29 his father
encouraged him to join the planemaking enterprise, when David would have
been 60.  Perhaps to no avail.  The firm continued to be listed as David
Malloch through 1891; after that, through its purchase by Mathieson in 1913
it was listed as David Malloch & Son.  The additional sobriquet "The Perth
Plane Works" was only listed starting with the 1903 directory, though
indeed could have been added any time after 1899's directory was published.

I've created the following timeline from my research, and that of the
others mentioned:

MCGLASHAN, John                                  PERTH
50 St. John St.                                           <1837-ca.1845
66 South Methven St.                                ca.1845-1849

MALLOCH, David                                      PERTH
57 South Methven St.                                1850-ca.1854
25 St. John St.                                           ca.1854-1870
50 South St.                                               1870-1890,
excepting 1878

MALLOCH David & Son (William)             PERTH
50 South St.                                               1878,
1891-ca.1899
50 South St. (The Perth Plane Works)       ca.1899-1913
(11 East Campbell St., Glasgow                1914-1932
  subsidiary of Alex. Mathieson, Glasgow)

I do note that William is listed as retired in the 1911 Post Office
Directory, so I wonder even about the 1913 date for Mathieson's acquisition
(though that seems to be the date everyone knows).

Compare this with Goodman's (W.L. Goodman's _British Planemakers from
1700_, Third Edition, c. 1993) quoted from the old thread by Don McConnell:
MALLOCH, David & Son                       PERTH
50 South St. (The Perth Plane Works)  1878-1913
11 East Campbell St., Glasgow             1914-1932
(Subsidiary of Alex. Mathieson, Glasgow)

Here's the full timeline I assembled (all sources not listed are from the
Scottish Post Office Directories):

1895, John McGlashan born (from an expired WK Tools article; I could just
read the preview).
1818, David Malloch born (1881 British Census)
1837, John McGlashan & Co., wright's tool makers; 50 St. John Street.  No
advertisement.
1845, John McGlashan, 66 South Methven Street (tool-maker); South Methven
Street (plane-maker); house at 2 York Place.  No advertisement.
1848, John McGlashan, 66 South Methven Street (tool-maker); South Methven
Street (tool manufacturer); unknown house.  No advertisement.
1849, John McGlashan dies.  His wife lived as a milliner at 65 South
Methven Street until 1857.  William Malloch born
(Worthpoint/Automobilrevue.net/1881 British
 Census)
1850, David Malloch, 57 South Methven Street; house at 66 South Methven
Street.  No advertisement.  No entry for John McGlashan.
1852, David Malloch, 57 South Methven Street; house at 66 South Methven
Street.  No advertisement.  Helen Malloch born (1881 British Census)
1854, David Malloch, 57 South Methven Street; house at 66 South Methven
Street.  Advertised at 25 St. John's Street as a "wright's tool
manufacturer" (https://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/85747120)
1856, David Malloch, Kirkside; assume house at 66 South Methven Street.
Advertised at 25 St. John Street as a "wright's tool manufacturer" (
https://dig
ital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/85669664).  Mary Malloch
born (1881 British Census)
1858, David Malloch, planemaker, Kirkside; assume house at 66 South Methven
Street.  Advertised at 25 St. John Street as a "wright's tool manufaturer" (
https://dig
ital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/86534577). Sarah Malloch
born (1881 British Census)
1861, John Malloch born.  Family of David Malloch now numbers 6 (1881
British Census)
1862, David Malloch, planemaker, Kirkside; house at 41 South Street.
Advertised at 25 St. John Street as a"wright's tool manufacturer" (
https://dig
ital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/85673485)
1863, James Malloch born (1881 British Census)
1865, David Malloch, planemaker, Kirkside; house at 71 Prince's Street.  No
advertisement.  George Malloch born (1881 British Census)
1866, David Malloch, planemaker, Kirkside; house at 28 St. John Street.
Advertised at 25 St. John Street as a "wright's tool manufacturer" (
https://dig
ital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/85680359)
1870, David Malloch, Plane Manufacturer and Edge Tool Merchant, 50 South
Street; assume house at 28 St. John Street (Perthshire Courier)
1872, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at 28 St. John
Street.  No advertisement.
1874, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at 28 St. John
Street.  No advertisement.
1878, David Malloch & Son, planemakers, 50 South Street; house at 28 St.
John Street.  No advertisement.
1880, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park,
Craigie.  No advertisement.
1881, David Malloch, planemaker employing 9 men; house at Croft Bank, in
the West Church Parish (1881 British Census)
1882, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park,
Craigie.  No advertisement.  Employed 9 men.
1884, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park,
Craigie.  No advertisement.
1885, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park,
Craigie.  No advertisement.
1887, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park,
Craigie.  No advertisement.
1889, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park,
Craigie.  No advertisement.
1891, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street.  No
advertisement.  William Malloch at Croft Park, Craigie (along with Mrs.
David Malloch, no David)
1893, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street.  No
advertisement.  William Malloch at Croft Park, Craigie (along with Mrs.
David Malloch)
1895, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street.  No
advertisement.  William Malloch, plane maker (of David Malloch & Son), 48
1/2 South Street.
1897, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street.  No
advertisement.  William Malloch, plane maker (of David Malloch & Son), 48
1/2 South Street.
1899, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street.  No
advertisement.  William Malloch, plane maker (of David Malloch & Son), 48
1/2 South Street.
1903, David Malloch & Son, Perth Plane Works, 50 South Street.  No
advertisement.  Wm. Malloch, plane maker (of D. Malloch & Son), Woodcote,
Pitcullen Crescent.
1905, David Malloch & Son, Perth Plane Works, 50 South Street.  No
advertisement.  Wm. Malloch, plane maker (of D. Malloch & Son), Woodcote,
17 Pitcullen Crescent.
1907, David Malloch & Son, Perth Plane Works, 50 South Street.  No
advertisement.  Wm. Malloch, plane maker (of D. Malloch & Son), Woodcote,
17 Pitcullen Crescent.
1911, David Malloch & Son, Perth Plane Works, 50 South Street.  No
advertisement.  Wm. Malloch, retired, Woodcote, 17 Pitcullen Crescent.

One thing I can't quite figure:  David Malloch's death date.  Based on the
above, I'd imagine it sometime 1889-91, when David Malloch shows no address
for a house, and William Malloch has moved to Croft Park, and is shown
living with his mother (who looks to have died 1893-94).  I haven't been
able to access any histories that speak of David Malloch's death.

Now, in answer to Charlie's original question:

> > On Aug 10, 2018, at 20:19 , Charles Driggs via OldTools <
> oldtools@s...> wrote:
> >
> > #1 — I’m not aware of any place named Perth in the British Isles, so I’m
> wondering if one of our fellow Galoots Down Under may have a reference on
> 19th C Aussie toolmakers that might indicate the period of time when
> Malloch & Sons were operating to define the range of time when the iron
> probably was made.  I’m expecting that to be in the period 1840 - 1900.
>

As Adam said, Perth Scotland.  That the iron is marked "Malloch & Son" (you
sure there's an S at the end?) means it was made between 1891-1911.  It
*could* have been made in 1878 during the first "& Son" incorporation.
Were there no markings on the plane body?

Here's another 90deg. bedded toothing plane by Malloch at Jim Bode's:
https://www.jimbodetools.com/products/2-1-2-x-6-7-8-inch-
toothing-plane-by-malloch-son-perth-circa-1878-1932-73575
and here at Ontario Antique Tools:
http://ontarioantiquetools.com/shop/planes/david-malloch-sons-
perth-toothing-plane/
The latter shows it as an "& Son" plane without the body being marked
"Perth Plane Works" (as I would expect it would be were it made there), so
between 1878-1903.

I don't know if anyone reports non-"& Son" Malloch planes from before 1878.

Sorry for the long post, but that's what going down the rabbit hole gets
ya.  Isn't that panel on the front of 50 South Street in Perth inspiring?

Best,
Bill
Felton, CA
266344 Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> 2018‑08‑13 Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when?
Dang nice work Bill!

Thanks for going down the rabbit hole for the rest of us.  I hope several
people save this to their hard drives somehow.

KE

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Dragon List  wrote:

> After reading Charlie's post I wondered if there was indeed a Perth in
> Scotland (land of many of my forebears).  And (before I saw Adam's reply) I
> > found this, at 50 South Street in Perth:  https://www.google.com/maps/pl
> ace/50+South+St,+Perth+PH2+8PD,+UK/@56.3951396,-3.4286161,
> 3a,15y,157.61h,110.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soV_vR1xzW2alPDwG
> > NA2f2w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x48
863b1113bf5c73:0x6c0
> ff5178238a71e!8m2!3d56.3950068!4d-3.4284782  You can still see the
> building
> to which they moved in this shot, with the lovely architectural
> ornamentation showing an axe, a saw, and other tools on the building's
> façade.   It was *this* that got me going down the rabbit hole to find out
> more about David Malloch and his planemaking in Perth.
>
> Apparently there was a wealth of information on Wiktor's site under the
> Mathieson history...but no more.  I gathered info from a number of found
> posts, but did a lot of digging in primary sources:  the Scottish Post
> > Office Directories.  https://digita
l.nls.uk/directo
> ries/browse/archive/91049054  These mostly confirmed the information in
> other posts, but I did glean some new information.
>
> The basic outline is as according to this Worthpoint seller (
> > https:
//www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/early-1800s-scottish
> -infill-plane-513188107), that John McGlashan was a Perth planemaker in the
> first half of the 1800s whose business passed to David Malloch on John's
> death in 1849, and ran it until 1913 under various guises.
>
> In more detail, Malloch looks to have taken over McGlashan's business and
> his home (with McGlashan's wife, a milliner, moving next door, until she
> apparently passed away, or left Perth, in 1857) on South Methven Street in
> 1850.  Malloch made planes from a location down the street from his house
> as "David Malloch" until about 1854, when he moved the business to the
> center of town, opposite the main church ("Kirkside"), at 25 St. John's
> Street ("Above Working Men's Coffee-Room").  Interestingly, all the
> advertisements listing 25 St. John's Street have a statement "(Successor to
> John M'Glashan)" that implies he still needed to trade on McGlashan's name.
> By 1854 he was making "Joiners' and Cabinetmakers' Tools of every
> description.  Saws, Chisels, Braces, Bits, and Augers, of all sizes."  He
> ran the same basic ad through the 1866 directory.
>
> He used the same manufactory until 1870, when he moved the business to 50
> South Street, which is only about three blocks away from Kirkside.  While
> there are no directories provided between 1866 and 1872 to say when the
> move was undertaken, according to a comment at the bottom of this post:
> > https://automobilrevu
e.net/v/Q2l5bXNMNWFQVUU "A notice in the Perthshire
> Courier of Tuesday 26 April 1870, recorded that “David Malloch, Plane
> Manufacturer and Edge Tool Merchant …. has removed from Kirkside to more
> commodious premises at 50 South St. …”  The author speculates "It is
> apparent that the Malloch business had steadily grown and with the move to
> South St, further expansion was possible.  These were extensive premises
> for a firm that seems to have undertaken little or no other work than
> planemaking."  Expand they did, and by 1881 the firm had 9 employees.  I
> think the author of that comment was actually incorrect, in that they were
> making everything a joiner or cabinetmaker could need, and so goes against
> the idea of "little or no other work than planemaking."
>
> And now here's where things get a little awry.  Goodman's lists the Perth
> Plane Works under David Malloch & Son from 1878-1913.  The
> automobilrevue.net link shows David Malloch & Son (1878-1913) separately
> from The Perth Plane works, but the latter with no dates.  Based on what I
> could glean from the Scottish Post Office Directories, David Malloch & Son
> indeed was *mentioned* in 1878, but in the years 1880-1891 was still David
> Malloch, planemaker.  There is no trace of William in the Perth directories
> until the 1891 directory, when he's shown living at Croft Park with his
> mother; David appears to have passed away.  William was born in 1849,
> according to Britain's 1881 census; perhaps when he was 29 his father
> encouraged him to join the planemaking enterprise, when David would have
> been 60.  Perhaps to no avail.  The firm continued to be listed as David
> Malloch through 1891; after that, through its purchase by Mathieson in 1913
> it was listed as David Malloch & Son.  The additional sobriquet "The Perth
> Plane Works" was only listed starting with the 1903 directory, though
> indeed could have been added any time after 1899's directory was published.
>
> I've created the following timeline from my research, and that of the
> others mentioned:
>
> MCGLASHAN, John                                  PERTH
> 50 St. John St.                                           <1837-ca.1845
> 66 South Methven St.                                ca.1845-1849
>
> MALLOCH, David                                      PERTH
> 57 South Methven St.                                1850-ca.1854
> 25 St. John St.                                           ca.1854-1870
> 50 South St.                                               1870-1890,
> excepting 1878
>
> MALLOCH David & Son (William)             PERTH
> 50 South St.                                               1878,
> 1891-ca.1899
> 50 South St. (The Perth Plane Works)       ca.1899-1913
> (11 East Campbell St., Glasgow                1914-1932
>   subsidiary of Alex. Mathieson, Glasgow)
>
> I do note that William is listed as retired in the 1911 Post Office
> Directory, so I wonder even about the 1913 date for Mathieson's acquisition
> (though that seems to be the date everyone knows).
>
> Compare this with Goodman's (W.L. Goodman's _British Planemakers from
> 1700_, Third Edition, c. 1993) quoted from the old thread by Don McConnell:
> MALLOCH, David & Son                       PERTH
> 50 South St. (The Perth Plane Works)  1878-1913
> 11 East Campbell St., Glasgow             1914-1932
> (Subsidiary of Alex. Mathieson, Glasgow)
>
> Here's the full timeline I assembled (all sources not listed are from the
> Scottish Post Office Directories):
>
> 1895, John McGlashan born (from an expired WK Tools article; I could just
> read the preview).
> 1818, David Malloch born (1881 British Census)
> 1837, John McGlashan & Co., wright's tool makers; 50 St. John Street.  No
> advertisement.
> 1845, John McGlashan, 66 South Methven Street (tool-maker); South Methven
> Street (plane-maker); house at 2 York Place.  No advertisement.
> 1848, John McGlashan, 66 South Methven Street (tool-maker); South Methven
> Street (tool manufacturer); unknown house.  No advertisement.
> 1849, John McGlashan dies.  His wife lived as a milliner at 65 South
> Methven Street until 1857.  William Malloch born
> > (Worthpoint/Automobilrevue.net/1881 Bri
tish Census)
> 1850, David Malloch, 57 South Methven Street; house at 66 South Methven
> Street.  No advertisement.  No entry for John McGlashan.
> 1852, David Malloch, 57 South Methven Street; house at 66 South Methven
> Street.  No advertisement.  Helen Malloch born (1881 British Census)
> 1854, David Malloch, 57 South Methven Street; house at 66 South Methven
> Street.  Advertised at 25 St. John's Street as a "wright's tool
> > manufacturer" (https://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/85747120)
> 1856, David Malloch, Kirkside; assume house at 66 South Methven Street.
> Advertised at 25 St. John Street as a "wright's tool manufacturer" (
> > https:/
/digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/85669664).  Mary Malloch
> born (1881 British Census)
> 1858, David Malloch, planemaker, Kirkside; assume house at 66 South Methven
> Street.  Advertised at 25 St. John Street as a "wright's tool manufaturer"
> (
> > https:/
/digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/86534577). Sarah Malloch
> born (1881 British Census)
> 1861, John Malloch born.  Family of David Malloch now numbers 6 (1881
> British Census)
> 1862, David Malloch, planemaker, Kirkside; house at 41 South Street.
> Advertised at 25 St. John Street as a"wright's tool manufacturer" (
> > https:/
/digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/85673485)
> 1863, James Malloch born (1881 British Census)
> 1865, David Malloch, planemaker, Kirkside; house at 71 Prince's Street.  No
> advertisement.  George Malloch born (1881 British Census)
> 1866, David Malloch, planemaker, Kirkside; house at 28 St. John Street.
> Advertised at 25 St. John Street as a "wright's tool manufacturer" (
> > https:/
/digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/85680359)
> 1870, David Malloch, Plane Manufacturer and Edge Tool Merchant, 50 South
> Street; assume house at 28 St. John Street (Perthshire Courier)
> 1872, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at 28 St. John
> Street.  No advertisement.
> 1874, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at 28 St. John
> Street.  No advertisement.
> 1878, David Malloch & Son, planemakers, 50 South Street; house at 28 St.
> John Street.  No advertisement.
> 1880, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park,
> Craigie.  No advertisement.
> 1881, David Malloch, planemaker employing 9 men; house at Croft Bank, in
> the West Church Parish (1881 British Census)
> 1882, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park,
> Craigie.  No advertisement.  Employed 9 men.
> 1884, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park,
> Craigie.  No advertisement.
> 1885, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park,
> Craigie.  No advertisement.
> 1887, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park,
> Craigie.  No advertisement.
> 1889, David Malloch, planemaker, 50 South Street; house at Croft Park,
> Craigie.  No advertisement.
> 1891, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street.  No
> advertisement.  William Malloch at Croft Park, Craigie (along with Mrs.
> David Malloch, no David)
> 1893, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street.  No
> advertisement.  William Malloch at Croft Park, Craigie (along with Mrs.
> David Malloch)
> 1895, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street.  No
> advertisement.  William Malloch, plane maker (of David Malloch & Son), 48
> 1/2 South Street.
> 1897, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street.  No
> advertisement.  William Malloch, plane maker (of David Malloch & Son), 48
> 1/2 South Street.
> 1899, David Malloch & Son, plane manufacturers, 50 South Street.  No
> advertisement.  William Malloch, plane maker (of David Malloch & Son), 48
> 1/2 South Street.
> 1903, David Malloch & Son, Perth Plane Works, 50 South Street.  No
> advertisement.  Wm. Malloch, plane maker (of D. Malloch & Son), Woodcote,
> Pitcullen Crescent.
> 1905, David Malloch & Son, Perth Plane Works, 50 South Street.  No
> advertisement.  Wm. Malloch, plane maker (of D. Malloch & Son), Woodcote,
> 17 Pitcullen Crescent.
> 1907, David Malloch & Son, Perth Plane Works, 50 South Street.  No
> advertisement.  Wm. Malloch, plane maker (of D. Malloch & Son), Woodcote,
> 17 Pitcullen Crescent.
> 1911, David Malloch & Son, Perth Plane Works, 50 South Street.  No
> advertisement.  Wm. Malloch, retired, Woodcote, 17 Pitcullen Crescent.
>
> One thing I can't quite figure:  David Malloch's death date.  Based on the
> above, I'd imagine it sometime 1889-91, when David Malloch shows no address
> for a house, and William Malloch has moved to Croft Park, and is shown
> living with his mother (who looks to have died 1893-94).  I haven't been
> able to access any histories that speak of David Malloch's death.
>
> Now, in answer to Charlie's original question:
>
> > > On Aug 10, 2018, at 20:19 , Charles Driggs via OldTools <
> > oldtools@s...> wrote:
> > >
> > > #1 — I’m not aware of any place named Perth in the British Isles, so
> I’m
> > wondering if one of our fellow Galoots Down Under may have a reference on
> > 19th C Aussie toolmakers that might indicate the period of time when
> > Malloch & Sons were operating to define the range of time when the iron
> > probably was made.  I’m expecting that to be in the period 1840 - 1900.
> >
>
> As Adam said, Perth Scotland.  That the iron is marked "Malloch & Son" (you
> sure there's an S at the end?) means it was made between 1891-1911.  It
> *could* have been made in 1878 during the first "& Son" incorporation.
> Were there no markings on the plane body?
>
> Here's another 90deg. bedded toothing plane by Malloch at Jim Bode's:
> > https://
www.jimbodetools.com/products/2-1-2-x-6-7-8-inch-
> toothing-plane-by-malloch-son-perth-circa-1878-1932-73575
> and here at Ontario Antique Tools:
> > http://o
ntarioantiquetools.com/shop/planes/david-malloch-
> sons-perth-toothing-plane/
> The latter shows it as an "& Son" plane without the body being marked
> "Perth Plane Works" (as I would expect it would be were it made there), so
> between 1878-1903.
>
> I don't know if anyone reports non-"& Son" Malloch planes from before 1878.
>
> Sorry for the long post, but that's what going down the rabbit hole gets
> ya.  Isn't that panel on the front of 50 South Street in Perth inspiring?
>
> Best,
> Bill
> Felton, CA
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266345 Joshua Clark <jclark@h...> 2018‑08‑13 Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when?
Better yet, Bill, make a page on D. Malloch over on
http://wiki-tool.org and copy/paste this exce
llent research over
there.. make sure it never goes away!

There have been a number of contributions made to the Wiki and it's
looking good!

Josh
266346 Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> 2018‑08‑13 Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when?
Thanks, Kirk, Josh.  I just set up a David Malloch page at wiki-tool.

It was a lot of fun over the past couple three days.  I found resources for
future research, too (not only tooling, but family stuff).

Best,
Bill
Felton, CA

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 4:05 PM, Joshua Clark 
wrote:
266347 Charles Driggs 2018‑08‑14 Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when?
Bill, 

Pardon the huge snips of your findings for the moment, but I'll answer your
questions and post a little bit more in response to your interesting research
...

> As Adam said, Perth Scotland.  That the iron is marked "Malloch & Son" (you
sure there's an S at the end?) means it was made between 1891-1911.  It *could*
have been made in 1878 during the first "& Son" incorporation.

1 --  after giving the iron an Evaporust bath overnight it was much easier to
read the now crisp stamping without interference from paint, rust and
indeterminate gunk.  'David Malloch & Son' is in an arc above 'Perth'

> Were there no markings on the plane body?
2 --  well, yes there were.  Two groups of markings.  Owner AW Wallace
apparently didn't want to leave much opportunity for anyone to swipe his plane
and restamp it with their name, whacking clear, crisp impressions of his own
name twice on the toe and twice on the heel.  He was polite enough at the toe to
mark it a fair distance below the other stamp.  That is a clear, crisp stamping
of D Malloch & Son (in a pent-roof shape), above 'Perth', with the entirety of
that stamp inverted (unless you are reading it while holding the plane bottom
side up)

> Here's another 90deg. bedded toothing plane by Malloch at Jim Bode's:  
and here at Ontario Antique Tools:   The latter shows it as an "& Son"
plane without the body being marked "Perth Plane Works" (as I would expect it
would be were it made there), so between 1878-1903.

3 --  What I find interesting in comparing the example here to those two images
is the difference in the shape of the wedges -- This plane's wedge is a dead
ringer for the wedge in my Atkin toothing plane, meaning the large lump that
constitutes the upper part of the wedge in the two images you found is perhaps
triple the mass of the upper part of this plane's wedge.  Seems likely this
wedge is from another plane.  Not all that surprising for a plane that is almost
certainly 120, and might be 140 years old and had the audacity to escape the
Wallace family despite AW's efforts at loss prevention.

Other updates -- ten minutes at the grinder and the iron now has functional and
effective teeth.  Now I just need to skim the sole to remove dragged globs of
paint and shallow scratches before I wax it and put this plane to work.

Yes, this one will again be used as at least one of the Mallochs, possibly the
younger one, had intended.

Thanks, guys!   
Charlie Driggs
266348 Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> 2018‑08‑14 Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when?
Excellent, Charlie.

I'd just like to correct one last line in my research above:  "The latter
shows it as an "& Son" plane without the body being marked "Perth Plane
Works" (as I would expect it would be were it made there), so between
1878-1903."  This should finish "..., so between 1891-1903, with a rare
possiblity that it could have been made in 1878."

Glad you remade it as a user.  I'll have to go take a look at my toothing
plane and see who made it.  IIRC it's also bedded at 90deg.

Best,
Bill
Felton, CA
266349 Greg Isola <gregorywisola@g...> 2018‑08‑14 Re: Planes or plane irons made by David Malloch & Sons ... when?
Fine, fine (and fun!) work, Bill. Generous, too. Much appreciated by all of
us, I know. GI

Greg Isola
Alameda, CA

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