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265392 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2018‑03‑12 | boxed stone |
I have posted this before but this is about the coolest tool I have. It is not a sharpening stone - it is a sharpening rock. The recess has a piece of something like pasteboard at the bottom, saturated in oil. The lid shows the lead screw holes where the waste was removed with an auger - did augers have lips and lead screws in 1817? https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/17348545835/in/album-72157652309439462/ I was watching Paul Sellars recently and he was using an auger, and he calls the lead screw the “snail”. Ed Minch |
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265394 | John Leyden <leydenjl@g...> | 2018‑03‑12 | Re: boxed stone |
Ed inquires: “did augers have lips and lead screws in 1817?” According to DATAMP, apparently at least as early as 1809. http://www .datamp.org/patents/search/xrefPerson.php?id=7871 <http://www.datam p.org/patents/search/xrefPerson.php?id=7871">http://www.datamp.org/patents/searc h/xrefPerson.php?id=7871> |
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265395 | Bill Ghio <bghio@m...> | 2018‑03‑13 | Re: boxed stone |
Sent from my iPad > On Mar 12, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Ed Minch |
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265396 | Bill Ghio <bghio@m...> | 2018‑03‑13 | Re: boxed stone |
Could be a center bit. Bill Sent from my iPad |
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265397 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2018‑03‑13 | Re: boxed stone |
Doh! Of course it could be Ed Minch |
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265398 | John Leyden <leydenjl@g...> | 2018‑03‑13 | Re: boxed stone |
Yeah, this guy and likely one of his namesake sons, since the elder Ezra, correspondent of Washington and Jefferson, seems to have died in 1811. Regardless, I gather that he/they are both to be credited for bringing the screw-tip auger and its manufacturing process into being. Like all good ideas, it seems so simple in retrospect, doesn’t it? John |
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265399 | John Leyden <leydenjl@g...> | 2018‑03‑13 | Re: boxed stone |
For the record, Bill’s point is also well taken. Equally plausible, and absent some in depth analysis of the actual artifact it’s hard to tell from here. |
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265401 | John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> | 2018‑03‑13 | Re: boxed stone |
Ed, This is certainly a very interesting artifact. Tell us more! Where did you get it? (Hope I didn’t miss something in an earlier post.) What kind of wood is it? Chestnut? The screws on the hinges; do they have a handmade look? (Such as off-center slots?) Do the hinges look like a blacksmith job? Does the smell suggest whale oil ? Tallow ? Last but not least, how well does it sharpen? This brings back memories. My family vacationed in the area of a glacial moraine. Pop was always hoping to find a whetstone “in the wild”. Looks like somebody did, back in 1817. John Ruth Expecting the third winter storm in 12 days. Sent from my iPhone |
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265402 | paul womack <pwomack@p...> | 2018‑03‑13 | Re: boxed stone |
Ed Minch wrote: > I have posted this before but this is about the coolest tool I have. It is not a sharpening stone - it is a sharpening rock. I LOVE irregular sharpening stones. That's beautiful. > The recess has a piece of something like pasteboard at the bottom, saturated in oil. The lid shows the > lead screw holes where the waste was removed with an auger - did augers have lips and lead screws in 1817? I (very) strongly suspect (given the period, and diameter of the holes) that those are the traces of a centre bit. Cheap to make using hand methods, and very effective. BugBear |
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265404 | "John M Johnston (jmjhnstn)" <jmjhnstn@m...> | 2018‑03‑13 | Re: boxed stone |
I second the notion that the excavation were made by a center bit. I have seen this same pattern in the bottoms of excavations of the recesses for the firing lock mechanism in 18th and 19th Century muskets and shotguns. Often the marks a two or more diameters of centre bits are visible in the bottoms of these recesses. Cheers, John “P.S. If you do not receive this, of course it must have been miscarried; therefore I beg you to write and let me know.” - Sir Boyle Roche, M.P. I (very) strongly suspect (given the period, and diameter of the holes) that those are the traces of a centre bit. Cheap to make using hand methods, and very effective. BugBear |
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265405 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2018‑03‑13 | Re: boxed stone |
John I got the thing form a local old guy who has perhaps 9 local tools chests - we live on the Eastern Shore of MD. I think it must be somewhat local. So much oil on the whole thing, hard to tell - it appears to be a softwood. I don’t think it is Yellow Pine, perhaps cedar. The hinges also appear to be regular enough in appearance I would have to guess they are manufatured. There is, again, so much crud it is hard to see the screw slots and I don’t want to clean anything up. I don’t have a good smeller so it just smells oily to me - petroleum based? I have not tried it on an edge - I should do that. Ed Minch hereis a hest I have shown before owned by the same guy: |
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