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264280 Anthony Seo 2017‑12‑18 TATHS Reading Room
The Tools And Trades Historical Society (TATHS) is the English 
equivalent to the Early American Industries Association (EAIA). They 
recently made their newsletter starting from 1983 until 2012 available 
online.

http://taths.org.uk/reading/taths-newsletters

Lots of great information by some of the most knowledgeable tool 
collectors and researchers of the time.

Tony (working away on a sort of mild winter's day)

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264282 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2017‑12‑18 Re: TATHS Reading Room
I just randomly opened one   -  http://taths.org.uk/images/NL/NL002.pdf
">http://taths.org.uk/images/NL/NL002.pdf <http://taths.org.uk/imag
es/NL/NL002.pdf">http://taths.org.uk/images/NL/NL002.pdf>  -  and found that
"From the 16th century not one single complete British tool, nor even a drawing
or other representation of one, is known to exist —— apart from those in the
Mary Rose.”  The Mary Rose is a mid-1500’s shipwreck that was raised,  It
settled on its side and everything above the surface of the bottom mud was gone,
but everything below was remarkably well reserved - perhaps 40% of the boat.
There were entire tool kits of tools!

They say there were 6 carpentry benches that were also used for sleeping on.
Good thing I made mine 6-1/2’ long - just on case

Ed Minch
264284 curt seeliger <seeligerc@g...> 2017‑12‑18 Re: TATHS Reading Room
> The Mary Rose is a mid-1500’s shipwreck that was raised ...
> There were entire tool kits of tools! They say there were 6 carpentry
benches
> that were also used for sleeping on.  Good thing I made mine 6-1/2’ long
- just
> on case

And the bench fits in your van, yes?
264286 John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> 2017‑12‑18 Re: TATHS Reading Room
Newer members of the List may be mystified by Curt's humorous reference to
sleeping on a joiner's bench:


"And the bench fits in your van, yes?"


This is a reference to "Living in a van down by the river." - which would
supposedly be your fate if your wife chucks you out because you  accumulated too
many tools and/or spent too much time "playing" (as she'd see it) in the shop.


The archives no doubt contain several funny references to "TVDBTR" or "VDBTR" -
The Van Down by the River.


John Ruth

Whose bench is too short to sleep on.
264325 galoot@l... 2017‑12‑19 Re: TATHS Reading Room
Quoting Ed Minch :

> I just randomly opened one   -  
> http://taths.org.uk/images/NL/NL002.pdf 
> <http://taths.org.uk/images/NL/NL002.pdf>  -  and found that  "From 
> the 16th century not one single complete British tool, nor even a 
> drawing or other representation of one, is known to exist —— 
> apart from those in the Mary Rose.”  The Mary Rose is a 
> mid-1500’s shipwreck that was raised,  It settled on its side and 
> everything above the surface of the bottom mud was gone, but 
> everything below was remarkably well reserved - perhaps 40% of the 
> boat.   There were entire tool kits of tools!

The (not cheap) book with all the measured drawings is here:
https://www.amazon.com/Before-Mast-Death-Aboard-Archaeology/dp/1842175041
(yes I have a copy... ;-)

Some pix:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MaryRose-carpentry_tools1.jpg
http://www.maryrose.org/meet-the-crew/the-carpenter/tools/

Unlike most archeological finds where the metal is rusted but present 
and the wood long since decayed, the wood was preserved by the salt 
water and the metal rusted to nothingness.

Esther
264329 Claudio DeLorenzi <claudio@d...> 2017‑12‑20 Re: TATHS Reading Room
I like that octagonal mallet design!  I’m so doing that one over the
holidays!
Claudio
264340 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2017‑12‑20 Re: TATHS Reading Room
Thanks Esther.  The state of preservation of the wood is remarkable,  The Vasa
is a similar story - sunk on her maiden voyage less than 1.4 mile from her
departure point, she lay on the bottom of Stockholm Harbor for 333.  The iron
bolts holding on the nearly 1000 carvings rusted away and they fell inot the
muck below.  The water was cold, brackish, and polluted, and some of the
carvings still have paint chips on them.  Many of the carvings still show enough
detail that conservators can tell which of the 3 carvers made a piece.

Here are a couple of blocks, among the 40,000 items found:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/29263387322/in/album-72157664112
173282/">https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/29263387322/in/album-72157664112
173282/ <https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/29263387322/in/albu
m-72157664112173282/">https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/29263387322/in/albu
m-72157664112173282/>

Amazing

Ed Minch

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