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263614 | Dave Broman <broman.dave@g...> | 2017‑10‑19 | Old hardware catalog |
The museum I work for recently received the donation of a catalog from the Clemens Vonnegut hardware store in Indianapolis. Clemens was the GG of the famous author. I think it's from about 1880, but the pages aren't dated and I have yet to dig further. I snapped some photos of a few pages that I thought would be of interest to this crew. Its a good-sized hardback with a lot.of content. The pics are at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2aiiedqy7gpvtlj/AADOOCk5VZTvNxKZdIo1Qo_aa?dl=0 (Hope that link works for you) Dave Broman One of those Kokomo galoots |
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263615 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2017‑10‑19 | Re: Old hardware catalog |
> On Oct 18, 2017, at 9:12 PM, Dave Broman |
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263616 | Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> | 2017‑10‑19 | Re: Old hardware catalog |
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 6:23 PM Dave Broman |
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263617 | Claudio DeLorenzi <claudio@d...> | 2017‑10‑19 | Re: Old hardware catalog |
These catalog pages are great! It’s amazing seeing how expensive some tools were -like the plow planes. Some of the images seem to be identical to some of mine? Maybe there were stock engravings for multiple publishers? Or did the manufacturers supply the engravings? Don’t you wish you could order from these catalogs today, haha? Cheers from Barcelona Claudio |
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263618 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2017‑10‑19 | Re: Old hardware catalog |
On 2017-10-19 1:38 AM, Claudio DeLorenzi wrote: > Some of the images seem to be identical to some of mine? Maybe there were > stock engravings for multiple publishers? Or did the manufacturers supply > the engravings? Claudio: When I visited Remscheid, the Werkzeugmuseum had these wood block engravings on display, along with salesman's samples. I suspect they were provided by the manufacturers. https://www.flickr.com/photos/33057984@N.../5855947254/in/album-7215762 6886873961/">https://www.flickr.com/photos/33057984@N.../5855947254/in/album-721 57626886873961/ Don -- "You can tell a man that boozes by the company he chooses" The Famous Pig Song, Clarke Van Ness |
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263619 | Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> | 2017‑10‑19 | Re: Old hardware catalog |
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 12:38 AM, Claudio DeLorenzi |
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263620 | "Stager, Scott P." <StagerS@m...> | 2017‑10‑19 | Re: Old hardware catalog |
If you didn’t back up from that photo, do so - some fantastic photos of displays that I presume are from that museum. Some real heavy metal and blacksmithing —Scott On Oct 19, 2017, at 8:35 AM, Don Schwartz |
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263622 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2017‑10‑19 | Re: Old hardware catalog |
On 2017-10-19 11:00 AM, Stager, Scott P. wrote: > If you didn’t back up from that photo, do so - some fantastic photos of displays that I presume are from that museum. Some real heavy metal and blacksmithing > > —Scott It's a wonderful museum of the tools manufactured past and present in the Wuppertal Valley, particularly in Remscheid itself, Germany's answer to Sheffield. This was the source of the many tools marked simply 'Germany', as well as much of the Boker brand. Here's a link to my photos of that visit. Thanks to MLW's patience, I was able to spend considerable time there, drooling all the while. https://www.flickr.com/photos/33057984@N.../albums The museum is a day-trip from Cologne. Don -- "You can tell a man that boozes by the company he chooses" The Famous Pig Song, Clarke Van Ness |
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263623 | Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> | 2017‑10‑19 | Re: Old hardware catalog |
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Dave Broman |
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263626 | Peter Marquis-Kyle <peter@m...> | 2017‑10‑19 | Re: Old hardware catalog |
On 19/10/2017 11:35 PM, Don Schwartz wrote: > On 2017-10-19 1:38 AM, Claudio DeLorenzi wrote: >> Some of the images seem to be identical to some of mine? Maybe there were >> stock engravings for multiple publishers? Or did the manufacturers >> supply >> the engravings? > > > Claudio: > > When I visited Remscheid, the Werkzeugmuseum had these wood block > engravings on display, along with salesman's samples. I suspect they > were provided by the manufacturers. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/33057984@N.../5855947254/in/album-72157 626886873961/">https://www.flickr.com/photos/33057984@N.../5855947254/in/album-7 2157626886873961/ Those are not wood engravings, though they may be derived from wood engravings. My guess is that they are stereotypes, cast in metal from original wood engravings. If that is what they are, it could have been that the tool manufacturer commissioned wood engravings (which are laborious and costly to make) from which multiple stereotypes were made for printing catalogues and magazine advertisements. If they are not stereos made from wood engravings, they could be line blocks made by photo-engraving from ink drawings. Any letterpress printing experts here? Care to comment? -- Peter Marquis-Kyle www.marquis-kyle.com.au |
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263627 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2017‑10‑19 | Re: Old hardware catalog |
On 2017-10-19 3:31 PM, Peter Marquis-Kyle wrote: >> When I visited Remscheid, the Werkzeugmuseum had these wood block >> engravings on display, along with salesman's samples. I suspect they >> were provided by the manufacturers. >> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/33057984@N.../5855947254/in/album-7215 7626886873961/">https://www.flickr.com/photos/33057984@N.../5855947254/in/album- 72157626886873961/ > > > Those are not wood engravings, though they may be derived from wood > engravings. My guess is that they are stereotypes, cast in metal from > original wood engravings. If that is what they are, it could have been > that the tool manufacturer commissioned wood engravings (which are > laborious and costly to make) from which multiple stereotypes were > made for printing catalogues and magazine advertisements. > > If they are not stereos made from wood engravings, they could be line > blocks made by photo-engraving from ink drawings. Oops! They're not wooden, they're attached to wood. Zooming in on the original photo I can see evidence of their attachment to a wooden block. As I know nothing about printing, and Peter knows much more than that, I'll send him a copy of the photo so he can maybe tell us more. Don -- "You can tell a man that boozes by the company he chooses" The Famous Pig Song, Clarke Van Ness |
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263632 | dstar@a... | 2017‑10‑20 | Re: Old hardware catalog |
Dave, thanks for sharing the photos of the catalog. I love looking through old catalogs like that. Reminds me of getting that sears catalog as a kid around christmas time. I could spend hours looking through it. I picked up a similar catalog a few years ago from Seattle Hardware Company. I think mine dates to around 1907-1908. That is based on items listed (there is mention of the new Luger semi automatic pistol which came out in 1900 or so) and some local timeline history. Here's some photos of the tools section. The book is over a thousand pages plus and has everything in it and I mean everything. The fishing and hunting sections are cool, too. The tools are here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/122649122@N.../albums/72157678951740503/w ith/33029708453/">https://www.flickr.com/photos/122649122@N.../albums/7215767895 1740503/with/33029708453/ |
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263634 | Dave Caroline <dave.thearchivist@g...> | 2017‑10‑20 | Re: Old hardware catalog |
I have a collection of wooden blocks with the metal printing plate found at a closing factory, some could have been hand engraved, some machine copy/reduction engraved and the rest a photographic and etched method some images are large http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/Lucas/PB/ Dave Caroline |
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263651 | Peter Marquis-Kyle <peter@m...> | 2017‑10‑21 | Re: Old hardware catalog |
On 20/10/2017 7:59 AM, Don Schwartz wrote: > On 2017-10-19 3:31 PM, Peter Marquis-Kyle wrote: >>> When I visited Remscheid, the Werkzeugmuseum had these wood block >>> engravings on display, along with salesman's samples. I suspect they >>> were provided by the manufacturers. >>> >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/33057984@N.../5855947254/in/album-721 57626886873961/">https://www.flickr.com/photos/33057984@N.../5855947254/in/album -72157626886873961/ >> >> >> Those are not wood engravings, though they may be derived from wood >> engravings. My guess is that they are stereotypes, cast in metal from >> original wood engravings. If that is what they are, it could have been >> that the tool manufacturer commissioned wood engravings (which are >> laborious and costly to make) from which multiple stereotypes were >> made for printing catalogues and magazine advertisements. >> >> If they are not stereos made from wood engravings, they could be line >> blocks made by photo-engraving from ink drawings. > > > Oops! They're not wooden, they're attached to wood. > > Zooming in on the original photo I can see evidence of their attachment > to a wooden block. As I know nothing about printing, and Peter knows > much more than that, I'll send him a copy of the photo so he can maybe > tell us more. Don Schwartz sent me a higher resolution file (thanks Don) and I took a closer look. I think those are half-tone blocks -- half-tone means that different shades of gray (grey, Jeff) are represented by a grid of larger and smaller dots. So, not wood engravings, and not stereotypes. This book, published in 1904, explains the process of making these blocks: https://archive.org/details/halftoneprocessp00verf When I was a lad at high school (in the 1960s) I was involved in producing a school magazine that was printed by letterpress -- a process that was on the way out then, to be replaced by offset lithography. I well remember my visits to the process engraving workshop that made the half-tone blocks, and the sights and sounds of that place -- the glare and sizzle of the arc lights in the camera room, the smell of hypo in the darkroom, the pungent smell of acid in the etching room. -- Peter Marquis-Kyle www.marquis-kyle.com.au |
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