GGG

Just spent the weekend camping with my 3 year old grandson - what a blast.

His dad brought along a couple of stainless insulated cups marked STANLEY.
Nothing odd there - but under the logo it said “since 1913”.  What happened in
1913 that they would call that their start date?

Also, I though this experiment failed in the 60’s

http://www.grizzly.com/products/-4-Smoothing-Bench-Plane/T22708

and why would it have this disclaimer:

 WARNING: This product can expose you to chemicals including lead, which is
known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other
reproductive harm.

Unless you were planing old lead water pipes?

Ed Minch

> Also, I though this experiment failed in the 60’s
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/-4-Smoothing-Bench-Plane/T22708

Actually, the SB-4 is the first plane I ever bought. Some of you might
recognize it as a plane-shaped spokeshave, with the short blade and
adjustment mechanism.  I can tell you first hand that it can expose you to
lead, as I've used it as a paint remover on our old house more than once.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Ed Minch  wrote:

> why would it have this disclaimer:
>
>  WARNING: This product can expose you to chemicals including lead, which
> is known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or
> other reproductive harm.
>

Maybe: It's made in China, where curious metals, and unknown paints tend to
drive California's carcinogenic laws crazy?

Dunno for certain, but guessing


-- 
Kirk Eppler in Half Moon Bay, CA

The warning is for California's Prop 65.  Anything with brass caries it.  A
quick Wikipedia access says brass may have 2% lead added for machinability.

Lie Nielsen tools now come with a  little sheet mandated by CA Prop 65.

I guess there are around 900 chemicals that Prop 65 requires a warning
about.

Ed O'

-----Original Message-----
From: OldTools [mailto:oldtools-bounces@s...] On Behalf Of Ed
Minch


 WARNING: This product can expose you to chemicals including lead, which is
known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other
reproductive harm. 

Unless you were planing old lead water pipes?

Ed Minch

Ed,


The Stanley Since 1913 on the insulated mugs is NOT "The Stanley Works" which we
all know and love.  It's a different Stanley.


I believe there are at least three unrelated organizations named "Stanley."


1) The Stanley Works, with the notched rectangle logo.

2) Stanley Home Products, a maker of cleaning agents and cleaning tools.
(Brushes)

3) Pacific Market International LLC, which bought the right to make/sell vacuum
flasks and mugs marked "Stanley"  I do not believe this product line ever
belonged to The Stanley Works, although I would be happy to accept evidence to
the contrary.  I believe Pacific Marketing International bought the rights from
some successor of Landers, Frary & Clark, who had absorbed  "Stanley Bottle"  /
"Stanley Insulating Company of Great Barrington, MA


Don't cite me as an authority on any of this!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_bottle

[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6
/Universal_Stanley_vacuum_bottles_-_New_Britain_Industrial_Museum_-_DSC09891.JPG
/220px-Universal_Stanley_vacuum_bottles_-_New_Britain_Industrial_Museum_-
_DSC09891.JPG]">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e6
/Universal_Stanley_vacuum_bottles_-_New_Britain_Industrial_Museum_-_DSC09891.JPG
/220px-Universal_Stanley_vacuum_bottles_-_New_Britain_Industrial_Museum_-
_DSC09891.JPG]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_bottle>

Stanley bottle - Wikipedia<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_bottle>
en.wikipedia.org
History. The Stanley all-steel vacuum bottle was invented by William Stanley Jr.
in 1913. Early uses for the Stanley bottle have included flying with the pilots
on B ...


Connecticut manufacturer Landers, Frary & Clark made many items which would be
considered collectible, or at least desirable, today.


John Ruth

________________________________
From: OldTools  on behalf of Ed Minch 
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 4:28:52 PM
To: porch
Subject: [OldTools] Stanley

GGG

Just spent the weekend camping with my 3 year old grandson - what a blast.

His dad brought along a couple of stainless insulated cups marked STANLEY.
Nothing odd there - but under the logo it said “since 1913”.  What happened in
1913 that they would call that their start date?

Also, I though this experiment failed in the 60’s

http://www.grizzly.com/products/-4-Smoothing-Bench-Plane/T22708

and why would it have this disclaimer:

 WARNING: This product can expose you to chemicals including lead, which is
known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other
reproductive harm.

Unless you were planing old lead water pipes?

Ed Minch





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Cool

I have a Stanley bottle that has a real cork and a shiney blue interior that
looks like glass. It was old when I got it in the early 70’s

Ed Minch

Ed,

You wrote:

> ... I though this experiment failed in the 60’s

> http://www.grizzly.com/products/-4-Smoothing-Bench-Plane/T22708


It looks a lot like this plane sold by Harbor Freight (except that the HF
version looks nicer):

https://www.harborfreight.com/no-33-bench-plane-97544.html

Cheers,
Chuck Taylor
north of Seattle USA

Ed---at these prices, Grizzly may have bought up the entire Stanley store of the
NEW #4 Smoothing Plane---Stanley's eyes were bigger than the market's stomach?

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 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 1:28 PM
 Subject: [OldTools] Stanley
   
GGG

Just spent the weekend camping with my 3 year old grandson - what a blast.

His dad brought along a couple of stainless insulated cups marked STANLEY.
Nothing odd there - but under the logo it said “since 1913”.  What happened in
1913 that they would call that their start date?

Also, I though this experiment failed in the 60’s

http://www.grizzly.com/products/-4-Smoothing-Bench-Plane/T22708

and why would it have this disclaimer:

 WARNING: This product can expose you to chemicals including lead, which is
known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other
reproductive harm.

Unless you were planing old lead water pipes?

Ed Minch





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Ed, and the List:


This is not entirely off-topic as nearly every craftsman who works on job sites
carries a vacuum bottle, and would no sooner leave it behind than leave behind
his tool box!


I once had a very shiny polished stainless Landers, Frary & Clark bottle which
was missing its interior. Since I was then only familiar with glass vacuum
bottles, I discarded it after learning that none of the glass replacement
interiors would fit.   Once again, OLDTOOLS reveals "quaint and curious
forgotten lore!"  I should have been looking for a Stanley stainless steel
vacuum insert.    Such inserts are probably NOT available as a replacement part
as, unlike fragile glass inserts, they're practically unbreakable.


Now that I know that the Stanley bottles are stainless steel inside, I will look
for one at the Flea Markets.


John R.

Maybe that item is actually from a pallet of unsold / leftover product from the
Sixties and that that red paint is known to be dangerous to Californians ....

B&D probably is looking to find any and every old thing they can sell in
Stanley's warehouses to improve the value of their new 'division'.  This isn't
one offering many of us need though.

Charlie

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