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262030 scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> 2017‑03‑21 I bought a Frankenplane. Yes I did
Well today I got the mixed honor of buying new tires for my car.
  I had hit a piece of concrete I couldn't see, and not only bent a rim 
but ruined a tire.
Got a pretty nice junkyard wheel. (An online guy in Sac City.)

  And today, I limped it over the mountain....slowly......... to Medford 
(sometimes dreadford) Oregon.   Pretty good today, not dreadful at all. 
But then I kept far away from warehouse stores that cause me undue stress.
   The tires are going to mean a lot of Ramen in my 
future....................
But on the other hand, driving home was a revelation!
   I kept thinking something must be wrong, it was so quiet and smooth 
and grabby in the corners. heh :)

  Anyway I had a little time to kill.   I took a walk.
  Along the road I was walking, what do you recon? St Vincent De Paul!
Its a religious charity thing, only I had never seen any religious 
charity like this.

    I first walked up from the back, before I even knew what the 
business was, and there was razor wire. Actual razor wire!  I had to 
walk up and look at it close, and touch it.  Razor wire in Medford Or?
It was underneath a layer of barbed wire?? at the top of the fence.
    Barbed wire you do see on some things, but I never saw razor wire in 
person before. Ever
   I can't imagine what is so precious people would be desperate to get 
to, a back porch / loading dock?  I peeked through the fence and saw 
some neglected vacuum cleaners and stuff?
      Anyway, I rounded the building to the front door and saw whose 
business it was.

   No standing, no sitting, no talking, no loitering, no pets, no food 
or drink,
(no breathing hard or blinking your eyes much?) ............. I swear 
there must have been 9 different "no"s posted on the front of the building.
Backpacks or other bags will be checked at the door, and an attendant 
will watch you!
     wow
  a charity built on donations, supposed to comfort the poor?  who are 
they keeping out?

   On the other hand there were hand painted easter bunnies galore 
running around and lots of really cute stuff painted on the windows.  
There was some hand lettering on the glass that was pretty nice too.
   It was all so odd.

   Anyway, in I go.
   I made a quick tour.  I can scan these kinds of places fast. I am an 
old hand.
I found a neglected #4 Stanley (bench hand, Jeff) plane.   It was marked 
$25.
I also snagged a Henckels fully forged bread knife, a couple of mint 
condition extra thick tee shirts, and a very long, very soft leather 
belt to be made into a guitar strap later.  Didn't take long.
   I must have quick sifted 300 pieces of cutlery. Many bins.  Just 
scattered in the bin with my fingers and rifled incredibly fast, totally 
not looking much.      Until............Oh............ that's forged   
heheheh
   Jumped out from the mob like neon.

   Honestly, after the welcome on the outside of the building, when I 
got to the counter I haggled the plane down to $20.  I just did.  I 
really didn't even think about it much.
  But I haggled strong (BROKEN HANDLE!! ) and made the clerk go "clear" 
from "Upstairs"       hahahahahahahaha

http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/type11.jpg

  Yup, those are three patent dates, low knob. A type 11. Seems to be an 
extra heavy type 11 too. I have hoisted a lot of Stanley planes, and a 
little heavier is a little heavier.
Its got the correct R&L iron. (About 1/2 of it is left, and its clean as 
a whistle, along with the sparkly cap iron.)
    Except for a #9 stamped into the side of the plane (and the tote 
too),  the body is fully there and no pitting at all. The knob is fairly 
rockin (after some polish) and I'll fix the tote. Its premium rosewood. 
All the screws are loose as a goose.  And under the mud, its roughly, 
just about 100% paint.
     A rich dark overall patina to the unfinished iron parts that I 
wouldn't think of disturbing.  (for my own use).  Others might want more 
polish, and once I might have polished it.
But me now, well,
   I can't fake really rich patina.  I can polish anything. But I can't 
make really sweet even patina on old cast iron.  And so if I get 
something pretty I'll just keep it.

  It had the totally wrong lever cap in the plane.

http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/bedrocklevercap.jpg

  hee hehehehe
This is the cap from an early roundside Bedrock #603.
  The ever fragile bottom corners of it are almost sharp, and once 
again, nearly 100% paint.
     life is weird
       yours Scott

  --
*******************************
    Scott Grandstaff
    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
    scottg@s...
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html
262031 Michael Blair <branson2@s...> 2017‑03‑21 Re: I bought a Frankenplane. Yes I did
Hard to pass up a Stanley #4 low knob.  Even with a bent lateral
adjustment lever (you did point that out too, right?).  I have a similar
Frankenplane, but the lever cap is from a Stanley Four Square.  Makes
you wonder how that happened. 

Now about repairing that broken tote...  I've been meaning to ask you
about broken totes.  One in particular, in fact.  You may remember that
I discovered I had a 4 1/2 made by Marsh.  Broken tote (Marsh and
Rockford both use walnut for totes and knobs).  So I glued it.  Looked
great. Put it back on the beast and tightened it down and snap.  Broke
again.  I can't really see where the bolt is bent, but it must be.  How
to straighten the dratted thing? 

And did you get the bread knife too?  

Mike in Woodland
262032 "Joseph Sullivan" <joe@j...> 2017‑03‑21 Re: I bought a Frankenplane. Yes I did
Scott:

Most of what the St. Vincent de Paul Society does involves working directly
with people, helping them pay their bills, counseling them, guiding them to
various sources of help, even driving them around town.  There may be a
national coordinator, but locally It is 100% volunteer -- not even a paid
admin.  The store you saw is kind of unusual for them, but would just be a
way to raise money for the primary missions.  They must have had people
break in and finally got sick of it.

The other thing is that if charities that do give money and goods have
physical locations, they tend to get physically overwhelmed by what really
amounts to a small group of the poor who can make it hard to bring in the
many others they are trying to serve.  V.dP. is not a homeless shelter,
although they have sympathy.

J

Joseph Sullivan

 
-----Original Message-----
From: OldTools [mailto:oldtools-bounces@s...] On Behalf Of scott
grandstaff
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:11 AM
To: porch 
Subject: [OldTools] I bought a Frankenplane. Yes I did

    Well today I got the mixed honor of buying new tires for my car.
  I had hit a piece of concrete I couldn't see, and not only bent a rim but
ruined a tire.
Got a pretty nice junkyard wheel. (An online guy in Sac City.)

  And today, I limped it over the mountain....slowly......... to Medford 
(sometimes dreadford) Oregon.   Pretty good today, not dreadful at all. 
But then I kept far away from warehouse stores that cause me undue stress.
   The tires are going to mean a lot of Ramen in my
future....................
But on the other hand, driving home was a revelation!
   I kept thinking something must be wrong, it was so quiet and smooth and
grabby in the corners. heh :)

  Anyway I had a little time to kill.   I took a walk.
  Along the road I was walking, what do you recon? St Vincent De Paul!
Its a religious charity thing, only I had never seen any religious charity
like this.

    I first walked up from the back, before I even knew what the business
was, and there was razor wire. Actual razor wire!  I had to walk up and look
at it close, and touch it.  Razor wire in Medford Or?
It was underneath a layer of barbed wire?? at the top of the fence.
    Barbed wire you do see on some things, but I never saw razor wire in
person before. Ever
   I can't imagine what is so precious people would be desperate to get to,
a back porch / loading dock?  I peeked through the fence and saw some
neglected vacuum cleaners and stuff?
      Anyway, I rounded the building to the front door and saw whose
business it was.

   No standing, no sitting, no talking, no loitering, no pets, no food or
drink, (no breathing hard or blinking your eyes much?) ............. I swear
there must have been 9 different "no"s posted on the front of the building.
Backpacks or other bags will be checked at the door, and an attendant will
watch you!
     wow
  a charity built on donations, supposed to comfort the poor?  who are they
keeping out?

   On the other hand there were hand painted easter bunnies galore running
around and lots of really cute stuff painted on the windows.  
There was some hand lettering on the glass that was pretty nice too.
   It was all so odd.

   Anyway, in I go.
   I made a quick tour.  I can scan these kinds of places fast. I am an old
hand.
I found a neglected #4 Stanley (bench hand, Jeff) plane.   It was marked 
$25.
I also snagged a Henckels fully forged bread knife, a couple of mint
condition extra thick tee shirts, and a very long, very soft leather belt to
be made into a guitar strap later.  Didn't take long.
   I must have quick sifted 300 pieces of cutlery. Many bins.  Just
scattered in the bin with my fingers and rifled incredibly fast, totally 
not looking much.      Until............Oh............ that's forged   
heheheh
   Jumped out from the mob like neon.

   Honestly, after the welcome on the outside of the building, when I got to
the counter I haggled the plane down to $20.  I just did.  I really didn't
even think about it much.
  But I haggled strong (BROKEN HANDLE!! ) and made the clerk go "clear" 
from "Upstairs"       hahahahahahahaha

http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/type11.jpg

  Yup, those are three patent dates, low knob. A type 11. Seems to be an
extra heavy type 11 too. I have hoisted a lot of Stanley planes, and a
little heavier is a little heavier.
Its got the correct R&L iron. (About 1/2 of it is left, and its clean as a
whistle, along with the sparkly cap iron.)
    Except for a #9 stamped into the side of the plane (and the tote too),
the body is fully there and no pitting at all. The knob is fairly rockin
(after some polish) and I'll fix the tote. Its premium rosewood. 
All the screws are loose as a goose.  And under the mud, its roughly, just
about 100% paint.
     A rich dark overall patina to the unfinished iron parts that I wouldn't
think of disturbing.  (for my own use).  Others might want more polish, and
once I might have polished it.
But me now, well,
   I can't fake really rich patina.  I can polish anything. But I can't make
really sweet even patina on old cast iron.  And so if I get something pretty
I'll just keep it.

  It had the totally wrong lever cap in the plane.

http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/bedrocklevercap
.jpg

  hee hehehehe
This is the cap from an early roundside Bedrock #603.
  The ever fragile bottom corners of it are almost sharp, and once again,
nearly 100% paint.
     life is weird
       yours Scott

  --
*******************************
    Scott Grandstaff
    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
    scottg@s...
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html

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262033 John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> 2017‑03‑21 Re: I bought a Frankenplane. Yes I did
Scott,


There's a St. Vincent DePaul Society Thrift Store in Perth Amboy, NJ.  I've
never bought any hand tools there, but I did purchase an unmentionable
stationary tailed apprentice there many years ago.   It's one of the places
where finding OLDTOOLS seems like a longshot.


Your visit has definitely paid off! Forged Henckels knives are very galootish,
and the plane is from just about the peak of Stanley's curve of quality vs.
year.


You can eBay that Bedrock lever cap for more than you paid for the whole plane !
Finding the "correct" lever cap shouldn't be too hard; on the other hand, newer
"will fit" caps with the "kidney shaped hole" should be under every rock.


George Langford shows an interesting method of repairing cracked rosewood totes
on his "georgesbasement" website. (  http://www.georgesbasement.com/fix
atote.htm">http://www.georgesbasement.com/fixatote.htm )

This avoids making up a gluing jig.  However, YMMV.


 John Ruth










________________________________
From: OldTools  on behalf of Joseph Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:47:03 AM
To: scottg@s...; 'porch'
Subject: Re: [OldTools] I bought a Frankenplane. Yes I did

Scott:

Most of what the St. Vincent de Paul Society does involves working directly
with people, helping them pay their bills, counseling them, guiding them to
various sources of help, even driving them around town.  There may be a
national coordinator, but locally It is 100% volunteer -- not even a paid
admin.  The store you saw is kind of unusual for them, but would just be a
way to raise money for the primary missions.  They must have had people
break in and finally got sick of it.

The other thing is that if charities that do give money and goods have
physical locations, they tend to get physically overwhelmed by what really
amounts to a small group of the poor who can make it hard to bring in the
many others they are trying to serve.  V.dP. is not a homeless shelter,
although they have sympathy.

J

Joseph Sullivan


-----Original Message-----
From: OldTools [mailto:oldtools-bounces@s...] On Behalf Of scott
grandstaff
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:11 AM
To: porch 
Subject: [OldTools] I bought a Frankenplane. Yes I did

    Well today I got the mixed honor of buying new tires for my car.
  I had hit a piece of concrete I couldn't see, and not only bent a rim but
ruined a tire.
Got a pretty nice junkyard wheel. (An online guy in Sac City.)

  And today, I limped it over the mountain....slowly......... to Medford
(sometimes dreadford) Oregon.   Pretty good today, not dreadful at all.
But then I kept far away from warehouse stores that cause me undue stress.
   The tires are going to mean a lot of Ramen in my
future....................
But on the other hand, driving home was a revelation!
   I kept thinking something must be wrong, it was so quiet and smooth and
grabby in the corners. heh :)

  Anyway I had a little time to kill.   I took a walk.
  Along the road I was walking, what do you recon? St Vincent De Paul!
Its a religious charity thing, only I had never seen any religious charity
like this.

    I first walked up from the back, before I even knew what the business
was, and there was razor wire. Actual razor wire!  I had to walk up and look
at it close, and touch it.  Razor wire in Medford Or?
It was underneath a layer of barbed wire?? at the top of the fence.
    Barbed wire you do see on some things, but I never saw razor wire in
person before. Ever
   I can't imagine what is so precious people would be desperate to get to,
a back porch / loading dock?  I peeked through the fence and saw some
neglected vacuum cleaners and stuff?
      Anyway, I rounded the building to the front door and saw whose
business it was.

   No standing, no sitting, no talking, no loitering, no pets, no food or
drink, (no breathing hard or blinking your eyes much?) ............. I swear
there must have been 9 different "no"s posted on the front of the building.
Backpacks or other bags will be checked at the door, and an attendant will
watch you!
     wow
  a charity built on donations, supposed to comfort the poor?  who are they
keeping out?

   On the other hand there were hand painted easter bunnies galore running
around and lots of really cute stuff painted on the windows.
There was some hand lettering on the glass that was pretty nice too.
   It was all so odd.

   Anyway, in I go.
   I made a quick tour.  I can scan these kinds of places fast. I am an old
hand.
I found a neglected #4 Stanley (bench hand, Jeff) plane.   It was marked
$25.
I also snagged a Henckels fully forged bread knife, a couple of mint
condition extra thick tee shirts, and a very long, very soft leather belt to
be made into a guitar strap later.  Didn't take long.
   I must have quick sifted 300 pieces of cutlery. Many bins.  Just
scattered in the bin with my fingers and rifled incredibly fast, totally
not looking much.      Until............Oh............ that's forged
heheheh
   Jumped out from the mob like neon.

   Honestly, after the welcome on the outside of the building, when I got to
the counter I haggled the plane down to $20.  I just did.  I really didn't
even think about it much.
  But I haggled strong (BROKEN HANDLE!! ) and made the clerk go "clear"
from "Upstairs"       hahahahahahahaha

http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/type11.jpg

  Yup, those are three patent dates, low knob. A type 11. Seems to be an
extra heavy type 11 too. I have hoisted a lot of Stanley planes, and a
little heavier is a little heavier.
Its got the correct R&L iron. (About 1/2 of it is left, and its clean as a
whistle, along with the sparkly cap iron.)
    Except for a #9 stamped into the side of the plane (and the tote too),
the body is fully there and no pitting at all. The knob is fairly rockin
(after some polish) and I'll fix the tote. Its premium rosewood.
All the screws are loose as a goose.  And under the mud, its roughly, just
about 100% paint.
     A rich dark overall patina to the unfinished iron parts that I wouldn't
think of disturbing.  (for my own use).  Others might want more polish, and
once I might have polished it.
But me now, well,
   I can't fake really rich patina.  I can polish anything. But I can't make
really sweet even patina on old cast iron.  And so if I get something pretty
I'll just keep it.

  It had the totally wrong lever cap in the plane.

http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/bedrocklevercap
.jpg

  hee hehehehe
This is the cap from an early roundside Bedrock #603.
  The ever fragile bottom corners of it are almost sharp, and once again,
nearly 100% paint.
     life is weird
       yours Scott

  --
*******************************
    Scott Grandstaff
    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
    scottg@s...
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html

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262036 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2017‑03‑21 Re: I bought a Frankenplane. Yes I did
John/All

Would be nice to see someone’s take on putting on a new horn - like the on the
one Scott has.


Ed Minch
262038 scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> 2017‑03‑21 Re: I bought a Frankenplane. Yes I did
> Would be nice to see someone’s take on putting on a new horn -
You never liked mine Ed? Its been posted since the 90's, sniff

     Scott

-- 
*******************************
    Scott Grandstaff
    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
    scottg@s...
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html
262041 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2017‑03‑21 Re: I bought a Frankenplane. Yes I did
So many websites, so little time.  I still have hours and hours of kittens and
penguins to get through

Ed Minch
262050 "Adam R. Maxwell" <amaxwell@m...> 2017‑03‑22 Re: I bought a Frankenplane. Yes I did
> On Mar 21, 2017, at 13:38 , scott grandstaff  wrote:
> 
> 
>> Would be nice to see someone’s take on putting on a new horn -
> You never liked mine Ed? Its been posted since the 90's, sniff


http://tr
estore.wkfinetools.com/planes/fixTote/fixTote-1.asp <http://trestor
e.wkfinetools.com/planes/fixTote/fixTote-1.asp">http://trestore.wkfinetools.com/
planes/fixTote/fixTote-1.asp>

I'm waiting until Lie Nielsen sells a fixture to hold the
tote and clamp it for repair. This is too much work!

(kidding: it's a great tutorial!)

Mark Harrell has a good one one for saw tote horns, too,
using a rubber band for clamping.

http://www.badaxetoolworks.com/restoring-a-handle-part-
one.php">http://www.badaxetoolworks.com/restoring-a-handle-part-one.php <http://www.badaxetoolworks.com/restoring-a-handle-part-
one.php">http://www.badaxetoolworks.com/restoring-a-handle-part-one.php>

-- adam
262053 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2017‑03‑22 Re: I bought a Frankenplane. Yes I did
Thanks - I like his suggestion for cherry as a stand-in for apple for the repair

Ed Minch
262054 paul womack <pwomack@p...> 2017‑03‑22 Re: I bought a Frankenplane. Yes I did
Ed Minch wrote:
> Thanks - I like his suggestion for cherry as a stand-in for apple for the
repair

In fairness, the common use of the jargon "fruit woods"
implies that the various species in that group have a lot in common.

   BugBear

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