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202042 Tony Zaffuto <TZMTI@c...> 2010‑03‑16 cleaning oilstones
While cleaning the two stones purchased on my return trip from  
Saturday's PATINA sale, I've found what may be the quickest and  
easiest method to rid decades of gunk.  Try using some Goop  
handcleaner (available in the auto department of your local Wallyworld  
and appears identical to DL Handcleaner from years past).  Rub in it  
for a minute or two and rinse off with warm water.  Worked like a  
charm on both stones.

Tony Z.
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202047 "Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq." <rohrabacher@e...> 2010‑03‑16 Re: cleaning oilstones
I use high detergent auto Tranny fluid.
Cleans old ones up and keeps the good ones free of crud.

Tony Zaffuto wrote:
> While cleaning the two stones purchased on my return trip from 
> Saturday's PATINA sale, I've found what may be the quickest and 
> easiest method to rid decades of gunk.  Try using some Goop 
> handcleaner (available in the auto department of your local Wallyworld 
> and appears identical to DL Handcleaner from years past).  Rub in it 
> for a minute or two and rinse off with warm water.  Worked like a 
> charm on both stones.
>
> Tony Z.
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202049 "Dave Pearce" <dave@p...> 2010‑03‑16 RE: cleaning oilstones
If I recall right, DL had kerosene in it.  We had a tub handy in the garage
for years when I was growing up.  I wonder if soaking in straight kerosene
might also do the trick?  I stocked up this winter so I've got a few extra
gallons around.

--dave

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[mailto:oldtools-bounces@r...]On Behalf Of Tony
Zaffuto
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 4:24 PM
To: OLDTOOLS
Subject: [OldTools] cleaning oilstones

While cleaning the two stones purchased on my return trip from
Saturday's PATINA sale, I've found what may be the quickest and
easiest method to rid decades of gunk.  Try using some Goop
handcleaner (available in the auto department of your local Wallyworld
and appears identical to DL Handcleaner from years past).  Rub in it
for a minute or two and rinse off with warm water.  Worked like a
charm on both stones.

Tony Z.

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202057 "Tony Zaffuto" <tzmti@c...> 2010‑03‑17 RE: cleaning oilstones
What was nice about the hand cleaner was how fast it worked.  In a matter of
minutes, I had the crud off with no soaking required.

T.Z.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldtools-bounces@r... [mailto:oldtools-
> bounces@r...] On Behalf Of Dave Pearce
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:59 PM
> To: OLDTOOLS
> Subject: RE: [OldTools] cleaning oilstones
> 
> If I recall right, DL had kerosene in it.  We had a tub handy in the
garage
> for years when I was growing up.  I wonder if soaking in straight kerosene
> might also do the trick?  I stocked up this winter so I've got a few extra
> gallons around.
> 
> --dave
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldtools-bounces@r...
> [mailto:oldtools-bounces@r...]On Behalf Of Tony
> Zaffuto
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 4:24 PM
> To: OLDTOOLS
> Subject: [OldTools] cleaning oilstones
> 
> 
> While cleaning the two stones purchased on my return trip from
> Saturday's PATINA sale, I've found what may be the quickest and
> easiest method to rid decades of gunk.  Try using some Goop
> handcleaner (available in the auto department of your local Wallyworld
> and appears identical to DL Handcleaner from years past).  Rub in it
> for a minute or two and rinse off with warm water.  Worked like a
> charm on both stones.
> 
> Tony Z.
> 
> 
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202063 "genfurn@e..." <genfurn@uniteone.net> 2010‑03‑17 Re: cleaning oilstones
Ayup, it will.  My standard cleaner is half kerosene and half 30 weight 
motor oil.  Dribble a little on while sharpening and the stone cuts like 
crazy.  Messy, but effective.

Bruce Z.
Kearney, MO

From: "Dave Pearce" 

> If I recall right, DL had kerosene in it.  We had a tub handy in the 
> garage
> for years when I was growing up.  I wonder if soaking in straight 
> kerosene
> might also do the trick?  I stocked up this winter so I've got a few 
> extra
> gallons around.

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214041 John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> 2011‑02‑22 RE: cleaning oilstones
GG's: I want to share an unexpected success in cleaning an oilstone. The
"patient" was an unusually greasy but unworn fine/medium India
combination stone. The goo had resisted waterless hand cleaner=2C the
Galoots standard approach to this problem. Acrylic Enamel Reducer=2C an
automobile body painting supply item=2C applied to a coarse paper towel
did a GREAT job of removing the grease. It left the manufacturer's
printed markings intact. A few minutes and the stone was totally
cleaned. Just be sure to wear gloves and do this outdoors=2C for obvious
reasons. John Ruth
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214049 "Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq." <rohrabacher@e...> 2011‑02‑22 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
I've used high detergent Auto Transmission oil on my stones with great 
success.  No waxy buildup.
Cleaned them in the past  with a soaking in mineral spirits.

On 2/22/2011 10:52 AM, John Ruth wrote:
> GG's:
>
> > I want to share an unexpected success in cleaning an oilstone.  The "patient
" was an unusually greasy but unworn fine/medium India combination stone.  The g
oo had resisted waterless hand cleaner, the Galoots standard approach to this pr
oblem.
>
> > Acrylic Enamel Reducer, an automobile body painting supply item, applied to 
a coarse paper towel did a GREAT job of removing the grease. It left the manufac
turer's printed markings intact. A few minutes and the stone was totally cleaned
.
>
> Just be sure to wear gloves and do this outdoors, for obvious reasons.
>
> John Ruth
>
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214065 Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:10 AM, paul womack  wrote:

>
> Anyone know what the "actual" composition of "Acrylic Enamel Reducer" is?

http://ppcincorp.com/data_sheets/PDF/pc3.pdf

Here's an MSDS for a slow reducer, contains

*Toluene
Light Aliphatic Solvent
Naphtha
Acetone
*2-Butoxyethanol
*Mixed Xylenes
*Methanol
*Ethylbenzene

Kirk in HMB
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214067 w.taggart@v... 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
On Feb 23, 2011, Kirk Eppler  wrote: 

:: Here's an MSDS for a slow reducer, contains
:: 
:: *Toluene
:: Light Aliphatic Solvent
:: Naphtha
:: Acetone
:: *2-Butoxyethanol
:: *Mixed Xylenes
:: *Methanol
:: *Ethylbenzene

A/k/a "use in a well-ventilated area; use proper respiratory protective equipmen
t; and avoid any sparks, flames or other potential ignition sources..." 

Although all are flammable, the methanol and ethylbenzene likely are the worst a
s far as health risks.

- Bill T.
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214073 scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
I certainly have not a shred of doubt that enamel reducer will clean a 
stone.
  Laq thinner is already a heavy enough solvent, but reducer??
Eeeeeee Ya!  Take a flamethrower and a 1/2 case of dynamite to it!

  I couldn't afford to waste reducer. Barely can have enough for my 
paint as it is.
  Laq thinner is cheaper if you haveta.

  But.....
   Any light petroleum product will also work. Very thin oil, mineral 
oil, tranny fluid, kerosene, paint thinner, gasoline.

  The kind of thing I would use would be the used tranny fluid from one 
I just drained,
  or the leftover lawn mower or chainsaw/trimmer gas at the end of the 
season I didn't really want to keep over the winter because there was 
too little left.
  Or the kerosene lamp that hadn't been used in years and had turned 
dark and hard to light.

  Waste petroleum.

Hey, speaking of petro, did you know that before it became so widely 
used, one of the early applications of petroleum was as a patent medicine?
   Yup, it came in a bottle and people took it by the spoonful.
  I expect it was a laxative.
  Petro-latum it was called.

   If anyone has an embossed glass Petrolatum bottle in fine shape? 
Please call.
  You ought to find me one Tony, they came from your neighborhood,.....

in the 1820-30's.

     yours Scott

-- 
*******************************
    Scott Grandstaff
    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
    scottg@s...
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html

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214075 scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
  docholladay0820@g... wrote:
> > Yuck&  double yuck!  When you refer to petroleum, are you referring to gasol
ine?

No no no  this was -much- earlier than distilled gasoline or any other 
refined product.
   It was at the very beginning of the industrial revolution, the first 
steam trains were hardly on tracks yet!  People burned whale oil in 
their lamps.
   EIGHTEEN 20's - 30's
    It was crude oil straight from the ground.
  yours Scott

*******************************
    Scott Grandstaff
    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
    scottg@s...
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html

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214058 paul womack <pwomack@p...> 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
John Ruth wrote:
>
> GG's:
>
> > I want to share an unexpected success in cleaning an oilstone.  The "patient
" was an unusually greasy but unworn fine/medium India combination stone.
...
>
> > Acrylic Enamel Reducer, an automobile body painting supply item, applied to 
a coarse paper towel did a GREAT job of removing the grease.

Anyone know what the "actual" composition of "Acrylic Enamel Reducer" is?

   BugBear
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214078 scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
OK, old patent medicines,... just get me started !!!!

   The three most popular ingredients in nearly all of them, including
The Great - Dr Kilmers - Kidney Liver and Bladder Cure - Specific!!

(one dollar a bottle, folks, just one dollar for the perfect preparation 
of secretly guarded ingredients guaranteed to cure ......)

  Were alcohol, opium and laxative.
  Notably senna or calomel.
  About 4 hours in the outhouse worth.

  Mrs Winslows Soothing Syrup for Teething Infants.......
  was loaded with alcohol and opium (also known as laudanum)

  The thing was, people didn't really have all that much that actually 
worked to a strong effect.
   Aspirin and quinine didn't come along until the 1880's.
   So old time herbs and spices, not very effective but old time 
trusted, and the big three, made up almost all of them.

  They wouldn't really cure you of anything, but they seldom killed you 
either, and when you drank them?
   something definitely did happen.

  Happy tonight, busy tomorrow

    yours Scott

-- 
*******************************
    Scott Grandstaff
    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
    scottg@s...
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html

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214076 Mike Siemsen <mike@g...> 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
On 02/23/2011 11:40 AM, scott grandstaff wrote:
> It was crude oil straight from the ground. 

Probably mixed well with laudanum, YUM!!
Mike
Skipping the scatological humor about laxatives and being stoned.

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214087 James Thompson <jdthompsonca@s...> 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
What about DMSO?

On Feb 23, 2011, at 11:38 AM, John Ruth wrote:

>> GG's Mention was made of using otherwise "waste" petrochemicals and
>> that applies here. I was using up some dregs in a rusty can that I
>> found in my late father's garage. It was HIGHLY effective as an
>> oilstone cleaner. This was a greasy stone purchased at a Flea Market
>> for $1. The pores of the stone went from totally clogged to totally
>> clean in a few wipes. Yes, it may have been overkill.>> Acrylic
>> Enamel Reducer also removes cosmolene PDQ. I'll start another thread
>> about the cosmolene-encrusted tool I bought at a surplus dealer.
>> John Ruth
> Who recently saw a medical study that proved that the folk remedy of
> rubbing diesel fuel on arthritic knees is totally worthless despite
> testimony to the contrary.
>>>>> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:12:20 -0600
>> From: w.taggart@v... To: eppler.kirk@g... Subject: Re: Re: [OldTools]
>> RE: cleaning oilstones
>> CC: oldtools@r...
>>>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2011, Kirk Eppler  wrote:>>>> ::
>>>>>>>> Here's an MSDS for a slow reducer, contains
>> ::>> :: *Toluene
>> :: Light Aliphatic Solvent Naphtha Acetone *2-Butoxyethanol *Mixed
>> :: Xylenes *Methanol *Ethylbenzene
>>>> A/k/a "use in a well-ventilated area; use proper respiratory
>>>>     protective equipment; and avoid any sparks, flames or other
>>>>     potential ignition sources...">>>> Although all are flammable,
>>>>     the methanol and ethylbenzene likely are the worst as far as
>>>>     health risks.
>>>> - Bill T.
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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214091 James Thompson <jdthompsonca@s...> 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
Modern medicines have transformed the world. In my lifetime I have
seen vaccines, antibiotics, and anesthetics, among other things,
invented or discovered. When I was a child, ether was the anesthetic
available, and penicillin the only antibiotic. So patent medicines
were pretty much your only choices. If you got better, then the
medicine must have worked. If you didn't get better, you must have
taken the wrong medicine.

Coal oil (kerosene) was a very popular remedy for a lot of ailments,
both internal and external.

Since vaccines were unheard of except for smallpox, children under 6
were taken to visit with other children who had contagious diseases so
they could catch the disease and develop immunity to those diseases,
mumps, measles, etc. If you got all the childhood diseases before you
started school, then you wouldn't have to miss school because of these
diseases. It made perfect sense back then. I had them all. I don't
recall anybody dying of the childhood diseases, but now everyone is
convinced that these are deadly. Maybe they are.

On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Mike Siemsen wrote:

> Sleep is a potent healer. The drugs killed the pain or coughing or
> whatever so you could get a decent nights sleep. It wasn't that long
> ago that codeine was in over the counter cough medicine. Many of them
> contain alcohol. My old man gave us blackberry brandy for it's
> curative powers, and he could have some too! Mike
>> On 02/23/2011 12:11 PM, scott grandstaff wrote: OK, old patent
>> medicines,... just get me started !!!!
>>>>  The three most popular ingredients in nearly all of them,
>>>>  including
>> The Great - Dr Kilmers - Kidney Liver and Bladder Cure - Specific!!
>>>> (one dollar a bottle, folks, just one dollar for the perfect
>>>> preparation of secretly guarded ingredients guaranteed to cure
>>>> ......) Were alcohol, opium and laxative.
>> Notably senna or calomel. About 4 hours in the outhouse worth.
>>>>>> Mrs Winslows Soothing Syrup for Teething Infants.......
>> was loaded with alcohol and opium (also known as laudanum)
>>>> The thing was, people didn't really have all that much that
>>>> actually worked to a strong effect.
>>  Aspirin and quinine didn't come along until the 1880's. So old time
>>  herbs and spices, not very effective but old time trusted, and the
>>  big three, made up almost all of them.
>>>> They wouldn't really cure you of anything, but they seldom killed
>>>> you either, and when you drank them?
>>  something definitely did happen.
>>>> Happy tonight, busy tomorrow yours Scott
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214092 James Thompson <jdthompsonca@s...> 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
Ayup! Long ago new military weaponry came coated with cosmoline. Hot
water and G.I. soap were the standard answer to cleaning it off.
Gasoline worked faster, if you could get gasoline.

On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:29 PM, w.taggart@v... wrote:

>>> On Feb 23, 2011, John Ruth  wrote:>>> :: Acrylic
>>> Enamel Reducer also removes cosmolene PDQ. I'll start another thread
>>> about the> :: cosmolene-encrusted tool I bought at a surplus dealer.
>>> Very hot water (i.e., from your tea kettle) removes cosmolene PDQ
>>> also, and leave the item nice and clean. >> - Bill T.
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214086 Mike Siemsen <mike@g...> 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
Sleep is a potent healer. The drugs killed the pain or coughing or 
whatever so you could get a decent nights sleep. It wasn't that long ago 
that codeine was in over the counter cough medicine. Many of them 
contain alcohol. My old man gave us blackberry brandy for it's curative 
powers, and he could have some too!
Mike

On 02/23/2011 12:11 PM, scott grandstaff wrote:
> OK, old patent medicines,... just get me started !!!!
>
>   The three most popular ingredients in nearly all of them, including
> The Great - Dr Kilmers - Kidney Liver and Bladder Cure - Specific!!
>
> (one dollar a bottle, folks, just one dollar for the perfect 
> preparation of secretly guarded ingredients guaranteed to cure ......)
>
>  Were alcohol, opium and laxative.
>  Notably senna or calomel.
>  About 4 hours in the outhouse worth.
>
>
>  Mrs Winslows Soothing Syrup for Teething Infants.......
>  was loaded with alcohol and opium (also known as laudanum)
>
>  The thing was, people didn't really have all that much that actually 
> worked to a strong effect.
>   Aspirin and quinine didn't come along until the 1880's.
>   So old time herbs and spices, not very effective but old time 
> trusted, and the big three, made up almost all of them.
>
>  They wouldn't really cure you of anything, but they seldom killed you 
> either, and when you drank them?
>   something definitely did happen.
>
>  Happy tonight, busy tomorrow
>
>    yours Scott
>
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214089 w.taggart@v... 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
On Feb 23, 2011, scott grandstaff  wrote: 

:: Hey, speaking of petro, did you know that before it became so widely 
:: used, one of the early applications of petroleum was as a patent medicine?
:: Yup, it came in a bottle and people took it by the spoonful.
:: I expect it was a laxative.
:: Petro-latum it was called.

Yahbut petrolatum is petroleum jelly or mineral oil - longer-chained, non-toxic 
paraffinic compounds, not the volatile organics that will dissolve the myelin sh
eath around your nerves and such...

Lots of things are derived from petroleum, from benzene to Vaseline(tm).  The di
ff in that case is benzene will eventually give you brain cancer or blow up your
 house; Vaseline will help cure your chapped lips or diaper rash!

Mineral oil is still sold today as a laxative - add perfume and it's baby oil.  

I use mineral oil thinned with mineral spirits (yet another petroleum product) o
n my oil stones and find it works very well and is not as dirty or stinky as sev
eral other options.  

- Bill T.
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214090 w.taggart@v... 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
On Feb 23, 2011, John Ruth  wrote: 

:: Acrylic Enamel Reducer also removes cosmolene PDQ.  I'll start another thread
 about the 
:: cosmolene-encrusted tool I bought at a surplus dealer.

Very hot water (i.e., from your tea kettle) removes cosmolene PDQ also, and leav
e the item nice and clean.  

- Bill T.
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214084 John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> 2011‑02‑23 RE: RE: cleaning oilstones
GG's Mention was made of using otherwise "waste" petrochemicals and that
applies here. I was using up some dregs in a rusty can that I found in
my late father's garage. It was HIGHLY effective as an oilstone cleaner.
This was a greasy stone purchased at a Flea Market for $1. The pores of
the stone went from totally clogged to totally clean in a few wipes.
Yes=2C it may have been overkill.Acrylic Enamel Reducer also removes
cosmolene PDQ. I'll start another thread about the cosmolene-encrusted
tool I bought at a surplus dealer. John Ruth Who recently saw a medical
study that proved that the folk remedy of rubbing diesel fuel on
arthritic knees is totally worthless despite testimony to the contrary.

> Date: Wed=2C 23 Feb 2011 08:12:20 -0600 From: w.taggart@v... To:
> eppler.kirk@g... Subject: Re: Re: [OldTools] RE: cleaning oilstones
> CC: oldtools@r...
>>>> On Feb 23=2C 2011=2C Kirk Eppler  wrote:>> ::
>>>> Here's an MSDS for a slow reducer=2C contains
> ::> :: *Toluene
> :: Light Aliphatic Solvent Naphtha Acetone *2-Butoxyethanol *Mixed
> :: Xylenes *Methanol *Ethylbenzene
>> A/k/a "use in a well-ventilated area=3B use proper respiratory
>>     protective equipment=3B and avoid any sparks=2C flames or other
>>     potential ignition sources...">> Although all are flammable=2C
>>     the methanol and ethylbenzene likely are the worst as far as
>>     health risks.
>> - Bill T.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> --------
> OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool
> aficionados=2C both collectors and users=2C to discuss the history=2C
> usage=2C value=2C location=2C availability=2C collectibility=2C and
> restoration of traditional handtools=2C especially woodworking tools.
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214094 John Holladay <docholladay0820@g...> 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
I'm not sure which is worse, cosmolene (sounds like something from an
episode of The Jetson's) or blister packing.  I used to work for a company
called Hunter Engineering.  We manufactured and sold automotive shop
equipment.  I was the guy that would install the equipment at the customer
site and then train their technicians how to use said equipment.  One of our
more popular products was wheel balancers.  When I first started working for
them, they would ship the parts coated in cosmolene and we would have to
clean all of of it off of the cones and adapters before the machine could be
used.  This was a pain, but, in an auto shop, generally, break cleaner spray
is easily accessible and cheap.  It did a fair job of cutting that stuff and
cleaning the parts with a little bit of wiping with a rag.  Later, they
abandoned the cosmolene and someone decided to blister pack the parts to a
piece of cardboard instead.  Anyway, the end result of that was having to
dig pieces of plastic out of the threads of the shafts and clamp nuts.  That
really was a pain.  It got so bad that I submitted a memo (these went across
the desk of the CEO) about it.  These memos were intended for making
suggestions where a product was dangerous, needed and improvement to work
better or something like that.  Not to complain because it was taking me 2
hours just to get the machine unpacked when I was only paid 1 1/2 hours to
install the machine and train the technician.  Anyway, I worded the memo
something like "if the guy with the blister pack machine, packing the wheel
balancer parts, doesn't lighten up, I am going to go to the plant and
blister pack him."  Anyway, I never received a response (I'm probably lucky
I didn't lose my job.) but some time later, I noticed that, while they were
still blister packed, somehow, they had figured out how to do it so it
didn't get into every little nook and cranny of the parts.  I was happy.

Doc

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 2:50 PM, John Ruth  wrote:

>
> Bill and Jim:
>
> > Very hot water (i.e., from your tea kettle) removes cosmolene PDQ also,
> and leave the item nice and clean.
> >
> Thank you for that gem.  Not having been in the service, I was not aware
> that cosmolene could be melted off.  That stuff seems like a cross between
> wax and grease.
>
> I really need to discuss that tool in a separate thread - which I want to
> start when I have the tool in my hand.  The cosmolene makes me suspect this
> tool was originally ordered by Uncle Sam.
>
> John
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214093 John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> 2011‑02‑23 RE: RE: cleaning oilstones
Bill and Jim:

> Very hot water (i.e.=2C from your tea kettle) removes cosmolene
> PDQ also=2C and leave the item nice and clean.>Thank you for that
> gem. Not having been in the service=2C I was not aware that
> cosmolene could be melted off. That stuff seems like a cross
> between wax and grease. I really need to discuss that tool in a
> separate thread - which I want to start when I have the tool in
> my hand. The cosmolene makes me suspect this tool was originally
> > ordered by Uncle Sam. John -------------------------------------------------
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> --------

214097 Mike Siemsen <mike@g...> 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
Maybe you can clean oilstones with saurkraut juice?

On 02/23/2011 03:57 PM, John Pesut wrote:
> When my dad or any of his brothers claimed sickness (always a school 
> day) he let them
> stay home but made them drink a glass of sauerkraut juice right from 
> the barrel in the
> basement. Not so much a cure I think but a way to make sure you were 
> really sick.
>
> Buzzz. No old tool content. Sorry.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "scott grandstaff" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 1:11 PM
> To: "porch" 
> Subject: Re: [OldTools] RE: cleaning oilstones
>
>> OK, old patent medicines,... just get me started !!!!
>>
>>   The three most popular ingredients in nearly all of them, including
>> The Great - Dr Kilmers - Kidney Liver and Bladder Cure - Specific!!
>>
>> (one dollar a bottle, folks, just one dollar for the perfect 
>> preparation of secretly guarded ingredients guaranteed to cure ......)
>>
>>  Were alcohol, opium and laxative.
>>  Notably senna or calomel.
>>  About 4 hours in the outhouse worth.
>
>
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214095 "John Pesut" <the_tinker@a...> 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
Any one familiar with CMP (Civilian Marksmanship Program, Jeff)and obtaining 
their fine wares,
knows all about cleaning cosmoline. Tried them all. I'm sticking with my 
wife's Scunsi steamer
(at least when she's not home!). That little devil cleans a rifle stock like 
"who flung the
chunk". With the tiny tip it gets into every nook and cranny and just melts 
it away and as
I learned working at the old Westinghouse East Pittsburgh Generator Works, 
steam is a dry
gas and will not harm a 100 year old wooden rifle stock.

After cleaning them you often need to repair them...Bing. Old tool content.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "James Thompson" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:36 PM
To: 
Cc: "oldtools List" 
Subject: Re: [OldTools] RE: cleaning oilstones

> Ayup! Long ago new military weaponry came coated with cosmoline. Hot water 
> and G.I. soap were the standard answer to cleaning it off. Gasoline worked 
> faster, if you could get gasoline.
>
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:29 PM, w.taggart@v... wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2011, John Ruth  wrote:
>>
>>
>> :: Acrylic Enamel Reducer also removes cosmolene PDQ.  I'll start another 
>> thread about the
>> :: cosmolene-encrusted tool I bought at a surplus dealer.
>>
>>
>> Very hot water (i.e., from your tea kettle) removes cosmolene PDQ also, 
>> and leave the item nice and clean.
>>
>> - Bill T.
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214096 "John Pesut" <the_tinker@a...> 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
When my dad or any of his brothers claimed sickness (always a school day) he 
let them
stay home but made them drink a glass of sauerkraut juice right from the 
barrel in the
basement. Not so much a cure I think but a way to make sure you were really 
sick.

Buzzz. No old tool content. Sorry.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "scott grandstaff" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 1:11 PM
To: "porch" 
Subject: Re: [OldTools] RE: cleaning oilstones

> OK, old patent medicines,... just get me started !!!!
>
>   The three most popular ingredients in nearly all of them, including
> The Great - Dr Kilmers - Kidney Liver and Bladder Cure - Specific!!
>
> (one dollar a bottle, folks, just one dollar for the perfect preparation 
> of secretly guarded ingredients guaranteed to cure ......)
>
>  Were alcohol, opium and laxative.
>  Notably senna or calomel.
>  About 4 hours in the outhouse worth.
 

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214103 Bob Miller <bobprime@b...> 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 18:49, Philip Yarra
 wrote:
> Fairly sure about xylene, and I have a
> feeling same might be true of toluene and benzenes.
Back in college I took an organic chem class.  The section on benzene
and other aromatic organics made my professor start to cry.  Turns out
her first job was in a chem lab in Russia mainly dealing with benzene
and 30 years later all of her friends from that job were dead from
cancer.  Anecdotal I know, but it is a good anecdote for a class of
known strong carcinogens.  Thus I like to stay away from benzene(not
to be confused with benzine) and friends.

Bob
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214106 w.taggart@v... 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
On Feb 23, 2011, Philip Yarra  wrote: 

> :: Here's an MSDS for a slow reducer, contains
> ::
> :: *Toluene
> :: Light Aliphatic Solvent
> :: Naphtha
> :: Acetone
> :: *2-Butoxyethanol
> :: *Mixed Xylenes
> :: *Methanol
> :: *Ethylbenzene

:: In addition to going bang, aren't some of these fairly carcinogenic, or 
:: carry other serious health risks? Fairly sure about xylene, and I have a 
:: feeling same might be true of toluene and benzenes.

You might be surprised at how few chemicals are known - or even "suspected" - to
 be carcinogenic.  And it also depends on whose definition of "carcinogen" you'r
e using.  In the USA, for example, several federal agencies rely on the Internat
ional Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) classifications.  

Benzene = yes.  It's one of the few chemicals actually known to be carcinogenic.
 

Xylene, I don't think so, but I'd have to check.  Toluene, also not so sure.  

The big problem with most of the volatile organics is acute toxicity.  Organic s
olvents dissolve lipids.  As such they can cause central nervous system damage a
nd have affects on target organs - e.g., kidney, liver, etc.  

And there's simple overexposure causing you to essentially become "drunk" from t
he vapors.

None of them are good for you, and you'd have to be exposed to a LOT to die righ
t away.  Basically it's a good idea to keep exposure as low as you can.  Common 
sense protection is to wear gloves (these all will de-fat your skin), wear eye p
rotection, use in a well-ventilated area (outdoors), keep your face away from th
e stuff, and if you're going to use a lot of the stuff or do any spraying, wear 
a properly-fitting respirator with organic vapor cartridges.  

Oh yeah - methanol is poisonus - and it absorbs quickly and readily through your
 lungs, mucous membranes and skin.

Funny thing is, most people don't understand how dangerous gasoline actually is,
 because it seems like such a common, everday thing.  But it contains benzene, t
oluene, ethylbenzene, xylene, and other lovelies - in addition to having a flash
point something like 50 degrees below 0 F.   

- Bill T.
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214107 Robert Hutchins <rhhutchins@h...> 2011‑02‑23 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
Yep!  As usual Jim T. is right on the money!

In 1946, I suffered a fractured skull.  The wound was deep enough that 
there was concern that my brain would be exposed to bacteria (but I was 
young enough that the skull was still growing so the brain was not 
permanently exposed).  I was one of the first civilians in my area to 
receive treatment with a new antibiotic that had theretofore been 
reserved for treating injured soldiers.  What was that miracle drug?  
Penicillin!  In those days they had little idea of correct dosage, using 
the the rule of thumb that you should take as much as you could provided 
it didn't kill you.  I received mega dosages by injection every 6 hours 
for 8 days.  Doctors nowadays surmise that its effects on me are not as 
great as expected perhaps due to some early adaptation my body made to 
the drug.

In those days, some childhood diseases caused the public health 
department (at the county level IIRC) to quarantine the household.  That 
meant that none could enter or leave unless they could prove they had 
survived the particular disease causing quarantine.  I recall that 
measles and mumps didn't warrant quarantine, but scarlet fever, 
rheumatic fever and polio did.  I had most of the childhood disease 
except mumps and polio.  I remember my large family fearing being 
quarantined when I had scarlet fever.  There would have been 5 teenagers 
in the house then.  Can you even imagine what that would have been like.

I think my mother might have borrowed the claw hammer (to get this on 
topic) if the county health department had nailed up the placard.

Bob Hutchins
Temple, TX, USA

On 2/23/2011 2:31 PM, James Thompson wrote:
> > Modern medicines have transformed the world. In my lifetime I have seen vacc
ines, antibiotics, and anesthetics, among other things, invented or discovered. 
When I was a child, ether was the anesthetic available, and penicillin the only 
antibiotic. So patent medicines were pretty much your only choices. If you got b
etter, then the medicine must have worked. If you didn't get better, you must ha
ve taken the wrong medicine.
>
> > Coal oil (kerosene) was a very popular remedy for a lot of ailments, both in
ternal and external.
>
> > Since vaccines were unheard of except for smallpox, children under 6 were ta
ken to visit with other children who had contagious diseases so they could catch
 the disease and develop immunity to those diseases, mumps, measles, etc. If you
 got all the childhood diseases before you started school, then you wouldn't hav
e to miss school because of these diseases. It made perfect sense back then. I h
ad them all. I don't recall anybody dying of the childhood diseases, but now eve
ryone is convinced that these are deadly. Maybe they are.
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Mike Siemsen wrote:
>
>> >> Sleep is a potent healer. The drugs killed the pain or coughing or whateve
r so you could get a decent nights sleep. It wasn't that long ago that codeine w
as in over the counter cough medicine. Many of them contain alcohol. My old man 
gave us blackberry brandy for it's curative powers, and he could have some too!
>> Mike
>>
>> On 02/23/2011 12:11 PM, scott grandstaff wrote:
>>> OK, old patent medicines,... just get me started !!!!
>>>
>>>   The three most popular ingredients in nearly all of them, including
>>> The Great - Dr Kilmers - Kidney Liver and Bladder Cure - Specific!!
>>>
>>> >>> (one dollar a bottle, folks, just one dollar for the perfect preparation
 of secretly guarded ingredients guaranteed to cure ......)
>>>
>>> Were alcohol, opium and laxative.
>>> Notably senna or calomel.
>>> About 4 hours in the outhouse worth.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mrs Winslows Soothing Syrup for Teething Infants.......
>>> was loaded with alcohol and opium (also known as laudanum)
>>>
>>> >>> The thing was, people didn't really have all that much that actually wor
ked to a strong effect.
>>>   Aspirin and quinine didn't come along until the 1880's.
>>> >>>   So old time herbs and spices, not very effective but old time trusted,
 and the big three, made up almost all of them.
>>>
>>> >>> They wouldn't really cure you of anything, but they seldom killed you ei
ther, and when you drank them?
>>>   something definitely did happen.
>>>
>>> Happy tonight, busy tomorrow
>>>
>>>    yours Scott
>>>
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214109 gary may <garyallanmay@y...> 2011‑02‑24 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
GGs: As a kid hod-carrier, I swallowed gas while siphoning some to get a
mortar mixer runnning---"carrying hod' on a masonry job means you do
everything while the masons only lay bricks. Or lay around. Anyway,
hurrying to get these no-helping guys back to work, I got a good gulp,
belched gas all day and into the evening. For the next few days, food
tasted really good. I'm not kidding, I can still remember most
everything I ate being heavenly... was 'petro-latum' also marketed as an
appetizer?

                         EMWTK---gam in Seattle, or Olympia, I forget

How horrible it is to have so many people killed!---And what a blessing
one cares for none of them! Jane Austen

--- On Wed, 2/23/11, docholladay0820@g...  wrote:

> From: docholladay0820@g...  Subject: Re:
> [OldTools] RE: cleaning oilstones To: scottg@s..., "Old Tools"
>  Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 9:23 AM Yuck &
> double yuck!=A0 When you refer to petroleum, are you referring to
> gasoline?=A0 I've heard of people taking kerosene for ailments
> (including, but not limited to arthritis), but not gasoline.=A0 I've
> tasted gasoline when attempting to syphon some into my dirtbike in
> order to keep from being stranded out in the woods and having to walk
> back to civilization.=A0 That stuff tastes nasty and can make you
> vomit if you happen to ingest some of it.=A0 That may have been one of
> the uses, I suppose.=A0 Not good.=A0 To quote the former President
> Bush, "not gonna do it."
>> Doc Sent on the Sprint=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=AE -----
>> Original Message-----
> From: scott grandstaff  Sender: oldtools-bounces@r...
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:15:50> To: porch Reply-To:
> scottg@s... Subject: Re: [OldTools] RE: cleaning oilstones
>> I certainly have not a shred of doubt that enamel reducer
> will clean a> stone. =A0 Laq thinner is already a heavy enough
> solvent, but reducer?? Eeeeeee Ya!=A0 Take a flamethrower and a 1/2
> case of dynamite to it!
>> =A0 I couldn't afford to waste reducer. Barely can have
> enough for my> paint as it is. =A0 Laq thinner is cheaper if
> you haveta.
>> =A0 But.....
> =A0=A0=A0Any light petroleum product will also work. Very thin oil,
> mineral> oil, tranny fluid, kerosene, paint thinner, gasoline.
>> =A0 The kind of thing I would use would be the used
> tranny fluid from one> I just drained, =A0 or the leftover lawn mower
> or chainsaw/trimmer gas at the end of the> season I didn't really want
> to keep over the winter because there was> too little left. =A0 Or the
> kerosene lamp that hadn't been used in years and had turned> dark and
> hard to light.
>> =A0 Waste petroleum. Hey, speaking of petro, did you know that before
>> it became
> so widely> used, one of the early applications of petroleum was as a
> patent medicine? =A0=A0=A0Yup, it came in a bottle and people took it
> by the spoonful. =A0 I expect it was a laxative. =A0 Petro-latum it
> was called.
>> =A0=A0=A0If anyone has an embossed glass
> Petrolatum bottle in fine shape?> Please call. =A0 You ought to find
> me one Tony, they came from your neighborhood,.....
>> in the 1820-30's. =A0 =A0=A0=A0yours Scott -->
>> *******************************
> =A0 =A0 Scott Grandstaff =A0 =A0 Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca=A0 96039 =A0
> =A0 scottg@s... =A0 =A0 http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/

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214113 gary may <garyallanmay@y...> 2011‑02‑24 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
Hi Bill---

Excellent post--We had a spate of tolulene poisoning among the caulkers
in my window crew back in the mid-eighties---I was lucky not to be
washing my hands and tools in the stuff daily, but the guys who did that
have severe health problems to this day, involving hyper-sensitivity to
most every volatile hydrocarbon---they get sick at gas stations, or when
the wife removes her nailpolish, like that. It got 'em all in the
kidneys and liver at first, IIRC, involving some pretty extensive
medical treatments back then, and keeps 'em guessing and upset to this
day. None of them have cancer though, so far.

  There is, apparently, some dispute about whether or not tobacco causes
  cancer. It certainly causes a lot of disputes here at home, that's for
  sure. All petroleum distillates seem to be marked with a disclaimer
  that says "Known by the State of California to cause cancer" or words
  to that effect....are they better-informed there? stay as away as you
  can from all of it---gam you wrote: You might be surprised at how few
  chemicals are known - or
> even "suspected" - to be carcinogenic.=A0 And it also depends on whose
> definition of "carcinogen" you're using.=A0 In the USA, for example,
> several federal agencies rely on the International Agency for Research
> on Cancer (IARC) classifications.=A0>> Benzene = yes.=A0 It's one of
> the few chemicals actually known to be carcinogenic.>> Xylene, I don't
> think so, but I'd have to check.=A0 Toluene, also not so sure.=A0>>
> The big problem with most of the volatile organics is acute
> toxicity.=A0 Organic solvents dissolve lipids.=A0 As such they can
> cause central nervous system damage and have affects on target organs
> - e.g., kidney, liver, etc.=A0>> And there's simple overexposure
> causing you to essentially become "drunk" from the vapors.
>> None of them are good for you, and you'd have to be exposed
> to a LOT to die right away.=A0 Basically it's a good idea to keep
> exposure as low as you can.=A0 Common sense protection is to wear
> gloves (these all will de-fat your skin), wear eye protection, use in
> a well-ventilated area (outdoors), keep your face away from the stuff,
> and if you're going to use a lot of the stuff or do any spraying, wear
> a properly-fitting respirator with organic vapor cartridges.=A0>> Oh
> yeah - methanol is poisonus - and it absorbs quickly and readily
> through your lungs, mucous membranes and skin.
>> Funny thing is, most people don't understand how dangerous
> gasoline actually is, because it seems like such a common, everday
> thing.=A0 But it contains benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, xylene, and
> other lovelies - in addition to having a flashpoint something like 50
> degrees below 0
> F.=A0=A0=A0
>> - Bill T.
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214102 Philip Yarra <philip.yarra@i...> 2011‑02‑24 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
> :: Here's an MSDS for a slow reducer, contains
> ::
> :: *Toluene
> :: Light Aliphatic Solvent
> :: Naphtha
> :: Acetone
> :: *2-Butoxyethanol
> :: *Mixed Xylenes
> :: *Methanol
> :: *Ethylbenzene

In addition to going bang, aren't some of these fairly carcinogenic, or 
carry other serious health risks? Fairly sure about xylene, and I have a 
feeling same might be true of toluene and benzenes.

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214233 scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> 2011‑02‑27 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
> > Funny thing is, most people don't understand how dangerous gasoline actually
 is,

  This is so true. The only thing there ever was tame about gasoline, is 
that we are used to it.
   Its more toxic and enormously more explosive that hardly anybody 
realizes. Try working at a gas station for 6 months. Pretty soon you 
will be figuring out how to get upwind and dreading that next car 
pulling in anyway.

  Nobody needs to tell you about enamel reducer.
  If you get a good strong whiff of it?? well
It only takes one.

   There are a few things nobody needs to tell you are bad.

That old dielectric oil they used to use in transformers and pumps?
    Lacquer thinner?
  A piece of shell or bone pressed onto a spinning grinding wheel?

   Some things smell so awful they will just back you out the door, all 
by themselves.
   yours Scott

*******************************
    Scott Grandstaff
    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
    scottg@s...
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214240 James Thompson <jdthompsonca@s...> 2011‑02‑27 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
So true! I take a magnesium capsule every day to keep me regular,
because my eating habits are so horribly bad. The magnesium causes huge
amounts of gas in my gut, Hell, I could generate electricity. :>)

On Feb 27, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Mike Siemsen wrote:

> Never be down wind of old guys on a porch! Mike
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214234 Mike Siemsen <mike@g...> 2011‑02‑27 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
Never be down wind of old guys on a porch!
Mike

On 02/27/2011 11:22 AM, scott grandstaff wrote:
>
>> Funny thing is, most people don't understand how dangerous gasoline 
>> actually is,
>
>  This is so true. The only thing there ever was tame about gasoline, 
> is that we are used to it.
>   Its more toxic and enormously more explosive that hardly anybody 
> realizes. Try working at a gas station for 6 months. Pretty soon you 
> will be figuring out how to get upwind and dreading that next car 
> pulling in anyway.
>
>  Nobody needs to tell you about enamel reducer.
>  If you get a good strong whiff of it?? well
> It only takes one.
>
>   There are a few things nobody needs to tell you are bad.
>
> That old dielectric oil they used to use in transformers and pumps?
>    Lacquer thinner?
>  A piece of shell or bone pressed onto a spinning grinding wheel?
>
>   Some things smell so awful they will just back you out the door, all 
> by themselves.
>   yours Scott
>
> *******************************
>    Scott Grandstaff
>    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
>    scottg@s...
>    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
>    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html
>
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214235 Mike Siemsen <mike@g...> 2011‑02‑27 Re: RE: cleaning oilstones
Never be down wind of old guys on a porch!
Mike

On 02/27/2011 11:22 AM, scott grandstaff wrote:
>   Some things smell so awful they will just back you out the door, all 
> by themselves.
>   yours Scott
>
> *******************************
>
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