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272558 "Chris Wolf" <hframe79001@g...> 2021‑01‑12 Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2?
There was something pretty close to what you're asking for years ago, the
Bridge City CT-6. I don't know when they discontinued it, but here's an
example:
https://www.jimbodetools.com/products/1998-bridge-city-tool-works-ct-6-ha
nd-
drill-mint-in-original-box-78710
They turn up for sale occasionally.

WKTools offers beautifully refurbished original eggbeater drills. Chris
Schwarz praised them in Popular Woodworking in 2008.
http://www.wktoo
ls.com/t_MF-hDrills/MF-handDrills.asp

--Chris 

Check out H-frame, the site for vintage Workmates:
https://h-frame.weebly.com/
272564 John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> 2021‑01‑12 Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2?
Chris,

If you are indeed seeking a Millers Falls #2 or  #2A eggbeater drill, I want to
suggest that they simply aren't all that rare, so don't overpay!  Thousands were
made over the course of multiple decades.

You may find this type study useful:

https:/
/www.georgesbasement.com/mfno2typestudy/mfno2types.html

Which is a sub-page of:
https://www.georgesbasement.com/

I see M-F #2's a few times per year when I'm keeping up with the Flea Marketing,
Yard Sale-ing, and Estate Sale-ing.  As always, the more effort one puts into
looking, the luckier one gets!!!

My father had a #2 which had belonged to his father.  Since it wasn't a power
tool, I was allowed to use it from a young age.  One day my teen-aged self
somehow managed to break an internal part of the chuck.  I repaired it by soft-
soldering, but it was never "right." That jaw wasn't gripping equally with the
other two.  I felt really bad about this.

About 15 years later, now a young adult, I found just the identical M-F #2 chuck
at a Flea.  Oh, how I enjoyed presenting that to my father!  He expressed
amazement that I was able to find just the chuck on the loose in the wild.

With Pop's passing, this memory-laden drill is now mine.  My daughters have used
it, and I expect to pass it to my grandson.

John Ruth
272565 "Chris Wolf" <hframe79001@g...> 2021‑01‑12 Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2?
It was Joseph who was looking for a "modern" Millers Falls; I gave him some
suggestions.
 
I have the Millers Falls No. 2 and 5a, a Goodell Pratt whose model I can't
remember, and a really cool Yankee 555 breast drill. I've had a few others
that I sold.
--Chris 

Check out H-frame, the site for vintage Workmates:

https://h-frame.weebly.com/ <https://h-frame.weebly.com/> 

 
________________________________

From: John Ruth [mailto:johnrruth@h...] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 6:16 PM
To: Chris Wolf
Cc: OldTools List
Subject: Re: [OldTools] Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2?


Chris, 

If you are indeed seeking a Millers Falls #2 or  #2A eggbeater drill, I want
to suggest that they simply aren't all that rare, so don't overpay!
Thousands were made over the course of multiple decades.  

You may find this type study useful:

https:/
/www.georgesbasement.com/mfno2typestudy/mfno2types.html

Which is a sub-page of:
https://www.georgesbasement.com/

I see M-F #2's a few times per year when I'm keeping up with the Flea
Marketing, Yard Sale-ing, and Estate Sale-ing.  As always, the more effort
one puts into looking, the luckier one gets!!!

My father had a #2 which had belonged to his father.  Since it wasn't a
power tool, I was allowed to use it from a young age.  One day my teen-aged
self somehow managed to break an internal part of the chuck.  I repaired it
by soft-soldering, but it was never "right." That jaw wasn't gripping
equally with the other two.  I felt really bad about this.

About 15 years later, now a young adult, I found just the identical M-F #2
chuck at a Flea.  Oh, how I enjoyed presenting that to my father!  He
expressed amazement that I was able to find just the chuck on the loose in
the wild.

With Pop's passing, this memory-laden drill is now mine.  My daughters have
used it, and I expect to pass it to my grandson.  

John Ruth
272566 Chuck Taylor 2021‑01‑13 Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2?
Gentle Galoots,

Dieter Schmid offers some modern eggbeater-style drills made by Schroder.
(Dieter is in Germany and the prices are in Euros.) He calls them "wheel braces.


https://www.fine-tools.com/bohr1
.html

Cheers,
Chuck Taylor
north of Seattle USA







On Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 3:52:49 PM PST, Chris Wolf 
wrote:





It was Joseph who was looking for a "modern" Millers Falls; I gave him some
suggestions.

I have the Millers Falls No. 2 and 5a, a Goodell Pratt whose model I can't
remember, and a really cool Yankee 555 breast drill. I've had a few others
that I sold.
--Chris 

Check out H-frame, the site for vintage Workmates:

https://h-frame.weebly.com/ <https://h-frame.weebly.com/> 

 
________________________________

From: John Ruth [mailto:johnrruth@h...] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 6:16 PM
To: Chris Wolf
Cc: OldTools List
Subject: Re: [OldTools] Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2?


Chris, 

If you are indeed seeking a Millers Falls #2 or  #2A eggbeater drill, I want
to suggest that they simply aren't all that rare, so don't overpay!
Thousands were made over the course of multiple decades.  

You may find this type study useful:

https:/
/www.georgesbasement.com/mfno2typestudy/mfno2types.html

Which is a sub-page of:
https://www.georgesbasement.com/

I see M-F #2's a few times per year when I'm keeping up with the Flea
Marketing, Yard Sale-ing, and Estate Sale-ing.  As always, the more effort
one puts into looking, the luckier one gets!!!

My father had a #2 which had belonged to his father.  Since it wasn't a
power tool, I was allowed to use it from a young age.  One day my teen-aged
self somehow managed to break an internal part of the chuck.  I repaired it
by soft-soldering, but it was never "right." That jaw wasn't gripping
equally with the other two.  I felt really bad about this.

About 15 years later, now a young adult, I found just the identical M-F #2
chuck at a Flea.  Oh, how I enjoyed presenting that to my father!  He
expressed amazement that I was able to find just the chuck on the loose in
the wild.

With Pop's passing, this memory-laden drill is now mine.  My daughters have
used it, and I expect to pass it to my grandson.  

John Ruth


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272567 scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> 2021‑01‑13 Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2?
Did you ever use a good one?
They work like butter. Crazy soft runny butter.

   Rosewood handles. Precision chucks. There are a range of sizes.
Nobody could top them.
Millers, Goodell, Yankee

Have any idea how many completely functional Millers Falls eggbeaters 
are still around?
Find a decent one and restore it. Certainly worth your time.
\Are your hands completely painted on? haahahaha
yours scott


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272568 Mike Lynd 2021‑01‑13 Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2?
N.B., Because of Brexit concerns, Dieter Schmid will not currently deliver
to the UK. Thank you, Boris!

best wishes,

Mike

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 at 01:10, Chuck Taylor via OldTools <
oldtools@s...> wrote:
272569 Kevin Foley <kevin.m.foley@c...> 2021‑01‑13 Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2?
Lee Valley, US and Canada, stocks one Schroeder drill. Might possibly ship to
the UK?

Cheers,
Kevin

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272570 don schwartz <dks@t...> 2021‑01‑13 Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2?
On 2021-01-12 6:08 p.m., Chuck Taylor via OldTools wrote:
> Dieter Schmid offers some modern eggbeater-style drills made by Schroder.
(Dieter is in Germany and the prices are in Euros.) He calls them "wheel braces.


Some of the same drills & braces are offered by Lee Valley.

FWIW

Don

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272571 "kevin.m.foley" <kevin.m.foley@c...> 2021‑01‑13 Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2?
I did a search on Jim Bode’s site. He has some egg beater drills available. 
https://www.jimbodetools.com <https://www.jimbodetools.com/>

Kevin
272572 Thomas Conroy 2021‑01‑13 Re: Is there a Lie-Nielson for the M-F ? 2?
Chris Wolf replied to Joseph Holsten:
>>There was something pretty close to what you're asking for years ago, the
>>Bridge City CT-6. I don't know when they discontinued it, but here's an
>>example:>>https://www.jimbodetools.com/products/1998-bridge-city-
tool-works-ct-6-hand-
>>drill-mint-in-original-box-78710
>>They turn up for sale occasionally.

>>WKTools offers beautifully refurbished original eggbeater drills. Chris
>>Schwarz praised them in Popular Woodworking in 2008.>>http://www.wktools.com/t_MF-hDrills/MF-handDrills.asp<<

Welcome, Joe. Pull up a chair; don't spit tobacco juice on the stove, it stinks
and will give you cancer.
Chris' information is excellent as far as it goes; but watch out for that Bridge
City drill. They used the common two-pinion style of gearing, as in the later
versions of the MF #2, rather than the functionally superior earlier model MF #2
with one pinion plus the LRRCW ("Little Rail Road Car Wheel"):

https:/
/www.georgesbasement.com/mfno2typestudy/mfno2types.html
Typical Bridge City: a lot of expensive bling, but functionally not quite first
rate (don't get me started on BC's far-famed trysquares: all the cost of a
Starrett, without a tenth of the precision. I mean this literally: compare the
guaranteed run-out of the two, if you have time and focus to convert from one
specification system to the other).
Eggbeater drills, unlike most hand tools, will wear out and need to be replaced
in less than a lifetime of use. My experience with eggbeaters is that, although
some problems are repairable, the main spindle will often wear far out of true,
and it doesn't wear evenly; so that you end up with a conical spindle, most
likely with the narrow end toward the frame. This causes incurable wobble and
affects the quality of work, so don't buy an eggbeater drill sight unseen.
Happily, there seem to be plenty of sound LRRCW #2s around, especially if you
don't worry too much about cosmetic problems.

Given roughly the same size, to the best of my knowledge and belief the only
drill fit to compete with the LRRCW #2 is the Goodell-Pratt #5-1/2. However,
every #5.5 I have used is badly worn in one feature or another, probably due to
having a (speculative) generation more use than the #2s. My favorite eggbeater
is a #5.5 with a broken chuck, where it holds the bit OK but is extremely fussy
and awkward to change bits; everything else is OK, so I keep an eighth-inch bit
permanently chucked in this #5.5 for making long pilot holes. The #5.5 is (like
the #2) a two-pinion drill with a device to hold the big pinion against the
small, but the GP flat non-adjustable blade is definitely inferior to the LRRCW
adjustable roller. On the other hand the #2 is always a one-speed drill. whereas
the #5.5 is two-speed, which might be convenient if the gearbox ever worked. The
GP is definitely more elegant, with lighter lines and graceful if that matters
to you (it does to me).  A tricky choice if it weren't for the question of wear;
as things are, go for the MF#2 with LRRCW and use it for the couple of decades
until you find a #5.5 in good condition.

If told, I am happy to believe that there is an eggbeater drill in production as
functionally good as an ordinary two-pinion MF #2. Nothing better, though.  And
a two-pinion #2 in unrestored ready-to-go condition will probably run you half
the price of a new eggbeater. Maybe $25.00 tops. Same thing for a LRRCW, by the
way: connoisseurship in eggbeater drills does not seem to be reflected in price,
at least in my neck of the wild.
Tom ConroyBerkeley

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