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269724 Matt Cooper <MaNoCooper@l...> 2020‑01‑21 Sargent VBM no. 5
Finished up a Sargent VBM no. 5. Picked it up at a Garage sale quite a while
ago. I already have a Stanley 5 so there has been no hurry.
These have a two piece steel depth adj. Knob. This one was missing the outer
part. These are hard to find and if you do, they are more than I would pay. So I
cut one out of wood and epoxied it on. That is picture 3. It was missing a
totem, but I had an extra. I pick them up whenever I find them. It has a bead on
the bottom of the knob. No frog adjuster.
It is all sharpened and ready to work. Flattening the back of the iron was a
bear. It had quite a belly. It did well on some white oak.
Soon enough I will take it apart and put some wax on the japanning. To save
what's left. And to pretty it up a bit.

https://1drv.ms/f/s!A
ve_yPrBMmsnpQC6M1jW0vOtTMty
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269725 Chuck Taylor 2020‑01‑21 Re: Sargent VBM no. 5
On Monday, January 20, 2020, 6:24:18 PM PST, Matt Cooper wrote: 

> Finished up a Sargent VBM no. 5. Picked it up at a Garage sale quite a while
ago.
> I already have a Stanley 5 so there has been no hurry.

Matt,

Looks very nice! How does it perform compared to the Stanley 5?

Chuck Taylor
north of Seattle
269726 Matt Cooper <MaNoCooper@l...> 2020‑01‑21 Re: Sargent VBM no. 5
About the same. Setup is a little more difficult. I have not used it enough yet
to know if it keeps set. Took a bit more time and effort to flatten the sole
compared to the Stanley's. But not too much. The frog and the base matted well
and the iron bedded well to the frog.
Seems to me the frog adjustment is over rated. Some of my other planes lack them
and I do not miss them much.
With limited use absolutely no chatter.
Over all it is comparable to my Stanley.



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-------- Original message --------
From: Chuck Taylor 
Date: 1/20/20 22:28 (GMT-05:00)
To: oldtools@s..., Matt Cooper 
Subject: Re: [OldTools] Sargent VBM no. 5

On Monday, January 20, 2020, 6:24:18 PM PST, Matt Cooper wrote:

> Finished up a Sargent VBM no. 5. Picked it up at a Garage sale quite a while
ago.
> I already have a Stanley 5 so there has been no hurry.

Matt,

Looks very nice! How does it perform compared to the Stanley 5?

Chuck Taylor
north of Seattle
269727 Matt Cooper <MaNoCooper@l...> 2020‑01‑21 Re: Sargent VBM no. 5
I agree. Except I have never used or held a MF or a Bedrock. However it is clear
that the 2 Sargents I have are a half step below the Baileys. I have a Sargent
422 (No. 7). I also do not use 5's that often. I lucked out in that the first
plane I bought turned out to be a bailey 5 1/2. I had no idea about the
differences in the Stanley planes at that point. That is usually my go to jack
plane. I have two blades, one for rough work and one when I want to use it as a
smoother. It is a sweetheart. It is my favorite of the bunch.



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-------- Original message --------
From: Charles Driggs 
Date: 1/20/20 23:11 (GMT-05:00)
To: Chuck Taylor 
Cc: Old Tools Porch , Matt Cooper 
Subject: Re: [OldTools] Sargent VBM no. 5

Chuck,

Matt and others may disagree, but in the decade since I’ve enlarged the plane
corral, I’ve added the equivalent MF and Sargent jack planes to the Stanley 605
Bed Rock and other sizes I’ve had since the 90’s.  I find in use that I favor MF
first, the Stanley second and the Sargent third, mainly because the knobs don’t
all go in the same direction when adjusting the cutting depth, and the MF is
just about as heavy and performs just as well as the Bed Rock.  Regardless, I
keep all three sharpened & ready to go.

All three are very good planes.  The Stanley collectors drive the prices higher
on those, so Stanley's much larger sales volume doesn’t flip the price pattern
due to relative scarcity.

Charlie
269729 Tim Pendleton <tpendleton@g...> 2020‑01‑21 Re: Sargent VBM no. 5
Nice job on the wooden adjusting knob!  If wooden nickels make a comeback, this
skill set could be in demand.  :)

Tim

Wearing his woolies this morning in 19F NJ.

On January 20, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Matt Cooper  wrote:





Finished up a Sargent VBM no. 5. Picked it up at a Garage sale quite a while
ago. I already have a Stanley 5 so there has been no hurry.
These have a two piece steel depth adj. Knob. This one was missing the outer
part. These are hard to find and if you do, they are more than I would pay. So I
cut one out of wood and epoxied it on. That is picture 3. It was missing a
totem, but I had an extra. I pick them up whenever I find them. It has a bead on
the bottom of the knob. No frog adjuster.
It is all sharpened and ready to work. Flattening the back of the iron was a
bear. It had quite a belly. It did well on some white oak.
Soon enough I will take it apart and put some wax on the japanning. To save
what's left. And to pretty it up a bit.

https://1drv.ms/f/s!A
ve_yPrBMmsnpQC6M1jW0vOtTMty
Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S10.

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269730 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2020‑01‑21 Re: Sargent VBM no. 5
Reading on Japanese chisels with the hollow in the back, one source said that
light hammering on the face will change the metal slightly to provide more flat
when you have sharpened up to the hollow.  Might this work on plane blades with
a pronounced belly - hammer it out to make flattening easier?

Ed Minch
269731 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2020‑01‑21 Re: Sargent VBM no. 5
The advantage of the Sargents is supposed to be that the frog adjusts parallel
with the sole so you don;t have to re-set the blade like you do when you change
the frog on a Bedrock.  Although, like has been said, I rarely adjust frogs once
I get them where I like them.

Ed Minch
269732 Matt Cooper <MaNoCooper@l...> 2020‑01‑21 Re: Sargent VBM no. 5
Thanks,
Cannot find it now. However Paul Sellers talks about this on one of his
sharpening videos.
Do not use a metal hammer. Dont ask me how I know.
I did use a softer metal and it helped some. But I was still a little gun shy.



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-------- Original message --------
From: Ed Minch 
Date: 1/21/20 07:54 (GMT-05:00)
To: Matt Cooper 
Cc: oldtools@s...
Subject: Re: [OldTools] Sargent VBM no. 5

Reading on Japanese chisels with the hollow in the back, one source said that
light hammering on the face will change the metal slightly to provide more flat
when you have sharpened up to the hollow.  Might this work on plane blades with
a pronounced belly - hammer it out to make flattening easier?

Ed Minch

On Jan 20, 2020, at 9:23 PM, Matt Cooper
> wrote:

Flattening the back of the iron was a bear. It had quite a belly.
269734 Matt Cooper <MaNoCooper@l...> 2020‑01‑21 Re: Sargent VBM no. 5
Yes and no. Some of the better early Sargents used the Shaw patent


http://www.s
argent-planes.com/sargent-9-smooth-plane/amp/

However their lower cost planes did not use this. Mine for example has the two
screws, just like a Bailey, under the Iron.

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-------- Original message --------
From: Ed Minch 
Date: 1/21/20 07:56 (GMT-05:00)
To: Matt Cooper 
Cc: Charles Driggs , Chuck Taylor , Old Tools
Porch 
Subject: Re: [OldTools] Sargent VBM no. 5

The advantage of the Sargents is supposed to be that the frog adjusts parallel
with the sole so you don;t have to re-set the blade like you do when you change
the frog on a Bedrock.  Although, like has been said, I rarely adjust frogs once
I get them where I like them.

Ed Minch

On Jan 20, 2020, at 11:35 PM, Matt Cooper
> wrote:

I agree. Except I have never used or held a MF or a Bedrock. However it is clear
that the 2 Sargents I have are a half step below the Baileys.

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