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268644 RH Hutchins <rhhutchins@h...> 2019‑06‑07 Tongue and Groove Planes
I've recently seen a Paul Sellers YouTube in which he used a pair of 
old, wooden tongue and groove planes.  It was in an episode featuring 
inlays, but it got me to wondering if such a pair might be found in the 
wild and how much one might have to pay for them. Failing that, how 
would a galoot go about getting irons made if he were to contemplate 
making a prototypical poor man's version of same.  The woodies intrigue 
me more than a metal plough plane or a high gizmocity multi-iron get up 
such as the 45.

Bob Hutchins
Temple, TX, USA
268645 Don Schwartz <dks@t...> 2019‑06‑07 Re: Tongue and Groove Planes
On 2019-06-06 10:47 p.m., RH Hutchins wrote:
> I've recently seen a Paul Sellers YouTube in which he used a pair of 
> old, wooden tongue and groove planes.  It was in an episode featuring 
> inlays, but it got me to wondering if such a pair might be found in 
> the wild and how much one might have to pay for them. 


They were a very common tool, so there are still lots of them available. 
The trick is to find a pair that actually belong together ( same maker 
as well as size ), as well as being serviceable.  Failing that, there 
are lots of come-and-go 'match' planes around as well.

> Failing that, how would a galoot go about getting irons made if he 
> were to contemplate making a prototypical poor man's version of same.  
> The woodies intrigue me more than a metal plough plane or a high 
> gizmocity multi-iron get up such as the 45.

There's an article on the FWW site, available to paying customers, on 
making a pair. 
https://www.finewoodworking.com/2011/04/07/make-a-pair-of-grooving-planes

And a video on the tube ht
tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx-oeIoiez8

There's probably more info readily available, but you'll find it. I'm 
getting tired...

Don

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268646 KEVIN FOLEY <kevin.m.foley@c...> 2019‑06‑07 Re: Tongue and Groove Planes
You could go metal w/o doing a high gizmosity Stanley 45.  The Stanley single
purpose 48 and 49 T&G planes work quite well.  You can't lose the mate.  It has
rotating fence -- cut the tongue, rotate the fence, cut the groove with the same
plane.  Union made very similar which usually sell for less. Often found w/o
cutters but repros are available from St. James Bay -- which is oddly in the
desert.  Or plane No.s 48 and 49 are available new from a Maine-based supplier
If you like to pay more.

Best,

Kevin
268647 hb 2019‑06‑07 Re: Tongue and Groove Planes
I have two sets- 0ne for 3/4” boards and one for 1/2” boards. They were made
based on the thickness of the board you’re working.  Although I’ve used the 3/4”
set on 1 inch boards- you just have to keep track of the reference face of the
boards or they won’t line up when you’re done.

As I recall I paid less than 60 for all of them.   They’re solid users, not
collectors pieces.

You have to buy them together or you’ll waste a lot of time fiddling with the
finished product to make the boards fit together.
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On Fri, 6/7/19, RH Hutchins  wrote:

 Subject: [OldTools] Tongue and Groove Planes
 To: oldtools@s...
 Date: Friday, June 7, 2019, 12:47 AM
 
 I've recently seen a Paul Sellers YouTube in
 which he used a pair of 
 old, wooden tongue and groove planes. 
 It was in an episode featuring 
 inlays, but it got me to wondering if
 such a pair might be found in the 
 wild and how much one might have to pay
 for them. Failing that, how 
 would a galoot go about getting irons
 made if he were to contemplate 
 making a prototypical poor man's
 version of same.  The woodies intrigue 
 me more than a metal plough plane or a
 high gizmocity multi-iron get up 
 such as the 45.
 
 Bob Hutchins
 Temple, TX, USA
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268648 Bill Webber 2019‑06‑07 Re: Tongue and Groove Planes
Bob,

Lie-Nielsen sells tapered blade blanks for hollows and rounds.  I 
suspected you could probably make your blades from one of those.  Of 
course you would then need to pursue hardening and tempering.

Bill W.
Nottingham, PA
Woodworkers visit me at http://bi
llwebber.galootcentral.com/

On 6/7/2019 12:47 AM, RH Hutchins wrote:
  Failing that, how
268649 "John M Johnston (jmjhnstn)" <jmjhnstn@m...> 2019‑06‑07 Re: Tongue and Groove Planes
Check with Jim Bode to see if he has a proper pair of woodies in stock. Also The
Best Things, also Josh Clark.

Cheers,
John

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On Jun 7, 2019, at 7:05 AM, Bill Webber via OldTools mailto:oldtools@s...>> wrote:

Bob,

Lie-Nielsen sells tapered blade blanks for hollows and rounds.  I suspected you
could probably make your blades from one of those.  Of course you would then
need to pursue hardening and tempering.

Bill W.
Nottingham, PA
Woodworkers visit me at http://bi
llwebber.galootcentral.com/

On 6/7/2019 12:47 AM, RH Hutchins wrote:
Failing that, how
would a galoot go about getting irons made if he were to contemplate making a
prototypical poor man's version of same.?? The woodies intrigue me more than a
metal plough plane or a high gizmocity multi-iron get up such as the 45.
Bob Hutchins
Temple, TX, USA
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268650 Kirk Eppler 2019‑06‑07 Re: Tongue and Groove Planes
On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:03 PM RH Hutchins  wrote:

> I've recently seen a Paul Sellers YouTube in which he used a pair of
> old, wooden tongue and groove planes.  It was in an episode featuring
> inlays, but it got me to wondering if such a pair might be found in the
> wild and how much one might have to pay for them. Failing that, how
> would a galoot go about getting irons made if he were to contemplate
> making a prototypical poor man's version of same.  The woodies intrigue
> me more than a metal plough plane or a high gizmocity multi-iron get up
> such as the 45.
>
>
I have all of the tools mentioned by others, woodie pairs, coming and
going, and Stanley 48 / 49 (yeah, and multi-metal, but we'll skip that).
The wooden pairs and 48 / 49 are the most fun to use.  The coming and going
(both metal and wood) just aren't as comfy in the hand, but were found
first.     Obviously, if I hadn't bought the coming and going, the pairs
and 48/49 would never have shown up.

The first thing you should do is decide what size boards you will be
working with, and then narrow your search accordingly.  I've gotten decent
deals on all of mine by being patient.  Josh has them show up every so
often.  If you let us know what size, we can keep an eye out too.

Kirk in HMB, CA, hoping for another fun weekend of tool hunting.
268651 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2019‑06‑07 Re: Tongue and Groove Planes
Also, the Stanley 147 and 148 have even less gizmosity - a handle pointing each
way and 2 fixed beds

https://www.youtube.com/wa
tch?v=VEsseQ4syFk <htt
ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEsseQ4syFk>

Ed Minch
268656 Tom Dugan <tom_dugan@h...> 2019‑06‑08 Re: Tongue and Groove Planes
Am I alone in thinking the wooden come and go planes are a PITA? Setting one
side unsets the other. I sold mine years ago. And why buy one plane when you can
buy 2? I have a coupla-three pairs in the usual sizes, but I haven't used them
in forever. Then again, I haven't been doing much woodworking in a few years.
Guess I'd better get cracking.

And just this morning I was mulling on the best way to plank the back of a
carcass I'm mulling on, T&G or rabbet. Maybe I should try T&G.

-T

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Subject: Re: [OldTools] Tongue and Groove Planes

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 10:03 PM RH Hutchins  wrote:

> I've recently seen a Paul Sellers YouTube in which he used a pair of
> old, wooden tongue and groove planes.  It was in an episode featuring
> inlays, but it got me to wondering if such a pair might be found in the
> wild and how much one might have to pay for them. Failing that, how
> would a galoot go about getting irons made if he were to contemplate
> making a prototypical poor man's version of same.  The woodies intrigue
> me more than a metal plough plane or a high gizmocity multi-iron get up
> such as the 45.
>
>
I have all of the tools mentioned by others, woodie pairs, coming and
going, and Stanley 48 / 49 (yeah, and multi-metal, but we'll skip that).
The wooden pairs and 48 / 49 are the most fun to use.  The coming and going
(both metal and wood) just aren't as comfy in the hand, but were found
first.     Obviously, if I hadn't bought the coming and going, the pairs
and 48/49 would never have shown up.

The first thing you should do is decide what size boards you will be
working with, and then narrow your search accordingly.  I've gotten decent
deals on all of mine by being patient.  Josh has them show up every so
often.  If you let us know what size, we can keep an eye out too.

Kirk in HMB, CA, hoping for another fun weekend of tool hunting.
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268658 Don Schwartz <dks@t...> 2019‑06‑08 Re: Tongue and Groove Planes
On 2019-06-08 1:39 p.m., Tom Dugan wrote:
> Am I alone in thinking the wooden come and go planes are a PITA? Setting one
side unsets the other.

I don't own one, but that makes a lot of sense to me.

Don

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268671 "Adam R. Maxwell via OldTools" <oldtools@s...> 2019‑06‑13 Re: Need some help with heat treating O1 steel
> On Jun 12, 2019, at 18:25 , Bill Webber via OldTools  wrote:
> 
> To determine the right temperature, I've heard of going by color, I've heard
of using a magnet (like I'm gonna stick a magnet to a chunk of metal at a 1000
degrees) Larry Williams talks about 'watching the metal sweat'.  So, can someone
point me to something that works?

I did it the way Larry says, and looking for the little sweat beads seemed to
work fine. I also used peanut oil, because of the high flashpoint or whatever;
that was also fine. There's enough variability in hardness and temper of my
vintage irons that I basically expect some inconsistency, and I've had no
trouble using my hollows and rounds. YMMV, and good luck!

Adam

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