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268078 | John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> | 2019‑03‑12 | Tool Disposition Abbreviations NIWIG and NTGBITC |
GG’s, Joel’s blog at ToolsForWorkingWood.<http://toolsforworkingwood.com/">http://toolsforworkingwood.com/>com suggests the following abbreviations for dispositions of tools left on your workbench. Original here: https://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/store/blog/1112/title/The%20Desk%20 of%20Lost%20Souls">https://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/store/blog/1112/title/The %20Desk%20of%20Lost%20Souls NIWIG - No Idea Where it Goes NTGBITC - Needs to Go Back Into the Collection. MT - My Toolbox I suggest adding a couple: SB, meaning Scrap Bin. (British version might be SS - Scrap Skip, as the Brits refer to large scrap and rubbish bins as “skips”). An example would be “basket cases” found in “box lots”. Chisels with badly pitted backs, worn-out files, etc. Note that I haven’t said one word about actually taking this bin of repurpose-able metal to a scrap dealer. ;) PB - Parts Bin, for partially-complete tools which were acquired to be “parted out” for pieces to repair other tools. For this, I thank the late Mike Dunbar, whose influential book “Restoring, Tuning & Using Classic Woodworking Tools” pointed out that one should buy any antique tool parts which cross your path; you never know what “needy” tool you’ll acquire in the future. John Ruth |
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268079 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2019‑03‑12 | Re: Tool Disposition Abbreviations NIWIG and NTGBITC |
My addition would be LIT Leave it there And $212 for a scratch awl??? Ed Minch |
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268081 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2019‑03‑12 | Re: Tool Disposition Abbreviations NIWIG and NTGBITC |
On 2019-03-12 11:18 a.m., Ed Minch wrote: > My addition would be LIT Leave it there Good one. > > And $212 for a scratch awl??? All the cool kids have one! Don -- A thermometer is not liberal or conservative. - Katharine Hayhoe Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst. Thomas Paine Being offended doesn't make you right. |
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268082 | John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> | 2019‑03‑12 | Re: Tool Disposition Abbreviations NIWIG and NTGBITC |
Ed, I failed to include the customary “no relation” disclaimer. In this case, I’m not even a customer of toolsforworkingwood.com<http://toolsforworkingwood.com">http://toolsforworkingwood.com> The $212 awl appears to be one of those bespoke heirloom quality awls which one purchases primarily so that one can say: “Someday, son, this AWL will be yours!” John Ruth Ducking and Running Sent from my iPhone On Mar 12, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Ed Minch |
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268083 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2019‑03‑12 | Re: Tool Disposition Abbreviations NIWIG and NTGBITC |
Ba-dump - good one Ed |
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268087 | scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> | 2019‑03‑12 | Re: Tool Disposition Abbreviations NIWIG and NTGBITC |
And $212 for a scratch awl??? I love it!! And its not even a birdcage awl. Just a plain point. I'm rich!! hahahahaa yours Scott ******************************* Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s... http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/ http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html |
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268088 | Thomas Conroy | 2019‑03‑12 | Re: Tool Disposition Abbreviations NIWIG and NTGBITC |
Ed Minch wrote: "My addition would be LIT Leave it there "And $212 for a scratch awl???" My addition would be "NFSP"----Needed For Stalled Project. That would keep the tool or whatever on the bench for 10 years minimum. I have fine bindings I completed 25 years after I started them, and others that aren't yet completed after a longer wait. $212 for a scratch awl? Well....I'm inclined to be tolerant. They are (I am serious here) trickier to make than it would seem, and the price reflects time making it and bringing it to market. I used to turn quite a few awls for sewing books. Basically a leatherworkers' awl in one of several styles, made of various fancy wood scrap. Blades made of (sharp) binders' needles, which means you can prepunch holes and do the actual sewing with a (round-point) harness needle. Intricate shapes make the awls easier to hold and use, and fun to turn. I never had two come out quite the same, which is also fun; and it meant that each person who tried them liked a different one. At that time I got part of my income from selling wooden binding equipment, so I checked the time it took me to make them pretty carefully; they would have made a great addition to what I offered. But I found that all told I was spending two hours on each one, including splitting or sawing out the blank through sanding to 600 grit with raising the grain three times at 150 and 180, and a spit coat of shellac. At my then shop rate this translated into $40-$60 if sold face-to-face, no marketing expense. I couldn't see charging that much when I bought the handles that inspired me for $5 each, and when new common awls were under $15, so I never made them for sale, just used them as presents for friends. (I may have been wrong about their saleability.) The $212 awls are all the same design, to they are mass producable, but they are also a much more intricate mixture of more materials. Including, by the way, a ridiculous hardened steel replacable point. Sheeeit. I suppose when you wear the old one out, you go down to the local Ace Hardware to get a replacement? What's wrong with regrinding the whole blade when needed? Take it from me, no one who would spend this money for an awl would ever use it enough to need to replace the blade....Ahem. Back to supporting the price. Let's suppose I had made my $60 awl in Australia, and lets look at what happens to the price (ignoring rates of exchange for simplicity). Basic cost $60. VAT $20 (just a guess, but I'm always shocked by the VAT on stuff from abroad). Postage and shipping $20, assuming several awls in a box, based on rates for chisels on eBay. We're at $100 already. Retailer's markup 40%; I don't know what is customary in the boutique tools trade, but this isn't unlike stuff I know about in the past, like new books. Now we're already at $140 for a two-material awl, which looks to my eyes just as ridiculous as $212 for the four-material precision-fitted awl under examination (the replacable tip would have to be precision work). I'm surprised that anyone would spend this much money for an awl; me, I doubt I've ever spent even $10. But I'm not surprised that this much would be charged for it, and I certainly wouldn't be upset. The cost here seems to be just a reflection of the cost of production. I don't see much I like about these awls; they seem over-engineered, aesthetically heavy, and butt ugly. I've always disliked this basic style awl, with a little round lump on the extreme end of a long shaft; for years I looked for a use for them, and I never found anything that wasn't done far better by an awl with a longer handle and a shorter shaft. But if you like them? Well, there's no accounting for tastes. Tom Conroy |
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268089 | Troy Livingston <horologist@w...> | 2019‑03‑13 | Re: Tool Disposition Abbreviations NIWIG and NTGBITC |
I'm with Tom on this one. While I don't much like the style, I can see it would be a bit of work to make. I once made a sewing stiletto (an awl like object) for my wife for Christmas. My family has a tradition where we draw names and you have to make that person their present. After a frantic two days, (Did I mention the procrastination runs strong in my family?) I managed to just get this assembled in time to take a shower and head in for Christmas dinner followed by the gift exchange. https://www.flickr.com/photos/91137513@N.../albums/72157649926272081 I don't think I would want to do it for much less than $212. Although I suppose the second one would be easier. Troy |
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268090 | Brian Rytel <tesla.drummer@g...> | 2019‑03‑13 | Re: Tool Disposition Abbreviations NIWIG and NTGBITC |
NAGATOIW: Not As Good As The One I Want(ed) NAGATOIAF: Similar but "Asked For" JSEFOMC: Just Sharp Enough For One More Cut CTTCT: Closer Than The Correct Tool STALUALLAC: Stranded To Avoid Lining Up And Looking Like A Collection ICSI-E: I Can Save It - Eventually -L: Later -S: Soon -N: Now (hypothetical) -FBTOASEES: From Being Throw Out After Someone Else's Estate Sale ETFOABP: Easier To Find In A Big Pile ETFOASP: Easier To Find In A Small Pile LOTAB: Left Out To Appear Busy Brian Rytel -Ducking and running |
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268092 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2019‑03‑13 | Re: Tool Disposition Abbreviations NIWIG and NTGBITC |
ATMRT Ah, there’s my round tuit Ed Minch |
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268098 | galoot@l... | 2019‑03‑13 | Re: Tool Disposition Abbreviations NIWIG and NTGBITC |
Quoting Troy Livingston |
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268099 | Claudio DeLorenzi <admin@d...> | 2019‑03‑13 | Re: Tool Disposition Abbreviations NIWIG and NTGBITC |
> > Stiletto Nice work Troy, very lovely. Care to share the details of construction? The banding really stands out. Claudio |
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268105 | Thomas Conroy | 2019‑03‑13 | Re: Tool Disposition Abbreviations NIWIG and NTGBITC |
Troy "once made a sewing stiletto (an awl like object) for my wife for Christmas..." https://www.flickr.com/photos/91137513@N.../albums/72157649926272081 Gorgous! Lovely! This is a tool it would be a joy to use. [ramble starts] It is very similar in size and "presence" to a leather braiding fid, a tool I use all the time for sewing books. https://www.amazon.com/C-S-Osborne-Fid-Made-477/dp/B00YLCHK56/ref=sr_1_ 3?keywords=leather+fid&qid=1552513472&s=gateway&sr=8-3">https://www.amazon.com/C -S-Osborne-Fid-Made-477/dp/B00YLCHK56/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=leather+fid&qid=155251 3472&s=gateway&sr=8-3 I use the fid for pulling short (like 1/8") lengths of thread tauter, and especially for undoing knots and tangles. Leatherworkers use them for braiding, and for lacing together craft projects by whipping leather lace around the edges. Its a different tool from a sailor's fid, though the use is analogous; but the scale is way different (perhaps 4" as opposed to maybe 12"). I was lucky in having bought my first one in the early '80s, when they were being made exactly as they were before WWII (based on photos on manuals). Shortly after that they were hit by cost accounnting, manufacture was moved to a cheaper company that used too long a handle and didn't understand the shape of the point. Several cycles of different makers (the demand and price are so low that there is only one pattern being sold at one time), then back to something that looks like the one I originally bought, though the point is no longer quite right. The point is actually a highly refined shape, thin enough to go between threads but no9t so thin that it pierces a thread, spreading enough to pushs the threads away from each other but not so spread that it jams, and flat to reduce friction but not too flat. When I was teaching book sewing I needed one with a reworked point for each student, and since the students couldn't buy them with the right tip shape I would sell them for cost of the basic tool. I must have reshaped over a hundred over the years. I did make one for myself from scratch, of black locust and brass, but concluded that brass was a bit too soft for the job. [ramble ends] Tom Conroy Berkeley |
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268140 | Troy Livingston <horologist@w...> | 2019‑03‑20 | Re: Tool Disposition Abbreviations NIWIG and NTGBITC |
Answers a little delayed by a trip to Baltimore. Esther asks: " What is the dark (blue?) banding on the ferrule? How did you do it? " The blue is heat blued steel. I blued the entire thing and then polished it away from the areas that I wanted bare. Claudio also asked about the details of construction. This can be found here: <https://www.lumberjocks.com/projects/111682> Tom, observed the similarity to a leather braiding fid that he uses for sewing books and discusses the shape of the point. " The point is actually a highly refined shape, thin enough to go between threads but not so thin that it pierces a thread, spreading enough to push the threads away from each other but not so spread that it jams, and flat to reduce friction but not too flat." I had struggled a bit over the sharpness of the point as well. Careful questioning, long in advance, made things easier. It turned out that she was happy with the shape of the awful tool she had damaged while punching a hole in some leather. However, while this is a handy tool for poking holes, mostly she uses it to guide the fabric into the sewing machine needle, keeping fingertips out of harms way. I did post it to the group shortly after completing the project and Jim Thompson liked it so much he offered to send me a burnisher / birdcage awl set but alas he never got the chance. Troy |
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268153 | Matt Cooper <MaNoCooper@l...> | 2019‑03‑21 | Re: Tool Disposition Abbreviations NIWIG and NTGBITC |
Read the lumberjack article. I really liked it. You do good work. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S10. -------- Original message -------- From: Troy Livingston |
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