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267815 | Timothy J Pendleton <tpendleton@g...> | 2019‑02‑09 | Re: OldTools] Test |
Ah, yes...how many times have we seen this same issue? A saw emerges from the factory with great fanfare; but the nib never quite rises to its full potential? :) The shape of the handle near the lower fastening point might be reworked in a Minion motif... Tim Bill Ghio |
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267816 | John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> | 2019‑02‑09 | Re: OldTools] Test |
Tim wrote: > “The shape of the handle near the lower fastening point might be reworked in a Minion motif” Tim just invented the millennial successor to the Panther Head Saw! “The Inverted Minion Head Saw” Oh! The humanity ! Dried out handle? Clean it very thoroughly and then saturate with very thin epoxy like Gougeon (sp.?) Brothers. (This may start a good exchange of ideas about reinforcing dried-out wood.) John R. |
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267817 | Spike Cornelius <spikethebike@c...> | 2019‑02‑09 | Re: OldTools] Test |
Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 9, 2019, at 9:24 AM, John Ruth wrote: > Snippity doo dah: > Dried out handle? Clean it very thoroughly and then saturate with very thin epoxy like Gougeon (sp.?) Brothers. (This may start a good exchange of ideas about reinforcing dried-out wood Jamestown Distributors has a product called Rot Fix by System 3, I believe, that is nice for this. Best, Spike |
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267818 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2019‑02‑09 | Re: OldTools] Test |
Spike This is a copy of the original Git-Rot that has been around for 30 years. It is a very thin epoxy that takes about 24 hours to kick. You drill a series of 1/4” holes (say in a windowsill) and pour it in, then wait 15 minutes for it soak into the end grain exposed by drilling the hole, then fill it up again, and again, and again. I have had it take 12 hours of filling before it slows down enough to stop. I wonder if soaking a piece in a pan of it would get it to absorb - might work on something with as much end grain as a saw handle Ed |
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267819 | Norm Wood <normw013@f...> | 2019‑02‑09 | Re: OldTools] Test |
Ed and all, I've never noticed (probably not paying enough attention, or the amounts were too small) heat given off by curing epoxy, but be cautious of potential side effects. From West System's epoxy chemistry page: "Several inches of mixed epoxy in a confined mass (such as a mixing cup) will generate enough heat to melt a plastic cup, burn your skin or ignite combustible materials if left to stand for its full pot life." Adding zilch to the problem of repairing a handle, Norm |
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267820 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2019‑02‑09 | Re: OldTools] Test |
GG Building boats in the late 70’s, we used a lot of WEST System epoxy - it came out about 1976 IIRC. One day we mixed a gallon to spread on fiberglass cloth but had a delay in the setup and the whole gallon went up in flames. Had to use 2X4’s to push it out of the open-sided boat shed. Fun times Ed |
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267828 | Bill Webber <ol2lrus@v...> | 2019‑02‑12 | Re: OldTools] Test |
Hey lonesome galoots, check out the latest Lee Valley 40-years Early Winter catalog! My favorite is the Bridge City Chopstick Master Kit. Yours for only $286. Chopstick blanks, 10 for $36.50. Actually, this is real. I thought I'd pulled a VanWinkle and it was April Fool's day already. Bill W. Nottingham, PA Woodworkers visit me at http://billwebber.galootcentral.com/ |
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267829 | Brent Beach <brent.beach@g...> | 2019‑02‑12 | Re: OldTools] Test |
Hi Apparently this is a real hobby of sorts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zJT4sLjaso Hard to believe. Bridge City is amazing. On 2019-02-12 06:55, Bill Webber wrote: > Hey lonesome galoots, check out the latest Lee Valley 40-years Early > Winter catalog! My favorite is the Bridge City Chopstick Master Kit. > Yours for only $286. Chopstick blanks, 10 for $36.50. Brent -- Brent Beach Snowed in!! in Victoria, BC, Canada |
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267830 | galoot@l... | 2019‑02‑12 | Re: OldTools] Test |
And Jarrod SXtone uses making chopsticks as a hand carving knife exercise (try it sometime!) Esther Quoting Bill Webber |
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267832 | "Stager, Scott P." <StagerS@m...> | 2019‑02‑12 | Re: OldTools] Test |
I made a couple of pair from Osage Orange at the KC Renn fest last year using only a Sloyd style knife and spokeshaves. In hand, not on shave pony. Used off splinters from our boyers working down large splits for bows. Came out real funky looking - a bit curved and twisted, but quite servicable —Scott On Feb 12, 2019, at 10:07 AM, galoot@l...<mailto:galoot@l...> wrote: And Jarrod SXtone uses making chopsticks as a hand carving knife exercise (try it sometime!) --------------------------------------------------- Scott Stager Columbia MO 573-474-5955 home 573-424-4764 cell stagers@m...<mailto:stagers@m...> |
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267833 | "yorkshireman@y..." <yorkshireman@y...> | 2019‑02‑12 | Re: OldTools] Test |
The amazing thing is that people pay lots of money for these things. I couldn’t though 1) my religion forbids it 2) my galoot upbringing says that a sharp plane can be made from any of the stones at hand, and if I were to be so picky, a Brent Beach (c) jig 3) my library of ‘old fashioned’ ideas says that a v grooved sticking board will yield the same result at the cost of repurposing some scrap 4) Before I knew any of the above, I just made a few sets from left over parana pine (it wasn’t banned then) and they’re mostly still going. 5) Using a cross grain timber for a chopstick seems to invite permanent ingress of bug harbouring fluids. 6) the yorkshireman is happy to regard chopsticks, when correctly made from bamboo slivers, as the ultimate in eco-friendly eating irons. I admire bridge tools though. I’d never have faith that there were enough idjuts to buy such stuff. Must come from generations of that american snake oil sales training that seemed to be a tradition of the West. Richard Wilson Northern Galoot. |
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267835 | Chuck Taylor | 2019‑02‑12 | Re: OldTools] Test |
Richard The Yorkshireman wrote, concerning Bridge City Tools new $286 Chopstick Master Kit: ====snip==== The amazing thing is that people pay lots of money for these things. I couldn’t though [other reasons snipped] I admire bridge tools though. I’d never have faith that there were enough idjuts to buy such stuff. Must come from generations of that american snake oil sales training that seemed to be a tradition of the West. ====unsnip==== My theory is that the BCTO (Bridge City Tool Owners) clan are cousins of the YBIFPO clan. Cheers, Chuck Taylor snowed in north of Seattle |
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267837 | "Joseph Sullivan" <joe@j...> | 2019‑02‑12 | Re: OldTools] Test |
Snip "Several inches of mixed epoxy in a confined mass (such as a mixing cup) will generate enough heat to melt a plastic cup, burn your skin or ignite combustible materials if left to stand for its full pot life." END SNIP Yes, and getting the mix wrong on the direction of too much hardener makes it worse. A friend of mine was working with epoxy on dummies in a high end shop window. It was hardening too slowly for his patience, so he boosted the amount of hardener. The result was fire and billowing smoke from the pot. J |
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267838 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2019‑02‑12 | Re: OldTools] Test |
YBIFPO?? Don On 2019-02-12 11:31 a.m., Chuck Taylor via OldTools wrote: > Richard The Yorkshireman wrote, concerning Bridge City Tools new $286 Chopstick Master Kit: > > ====snip==== > The amazing thing is that people pay lots of money for these things. > > I couldn’t though > > [other reasons snipped] > > I admire bridge tools though. I’d never have faith that there were enough idjuts to buy such stuff. Must come from generations of that american snake oil sales training that seemed to be a tradition of the West. > ====unsnip==== > > My theory is that the BCTO (Bridge City Tool Owners) clan are cousins of the YBIFPO clan. > > Cheers, > Chuck Taylor > snowed in north of Seattle > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool > aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage, > value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of > traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools. > > To change your subscription options: > https://oldtools.swingleydev.com/mailman/listinfo/oldtools > > To read the FAQ: > https://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html > > OldTools archive: https://swingleydev.com/ot/ > > OldTools@s... -- A thermometer is not liberal or conservative. - Katharine Hayhoe A good row does wonders for raising interest, and to be 'good' a row must have something to be said on both sides, and a proper issue in the middle." - Rosemary Hill, 'Writing About the Crafts', in The Culture of Craft, Peter Dormer, ed. Being offended doesn't make you right. |
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267840 | "Joseph Sullivan" <joe@j...> | 2019‑02‑12 | Re: OldTools] Test |
SNIP: The amazing thing is that people pay lots of money for these things. I couldn’t though END SNIP Well, mark me down as a reformed buyer. Years ago, when Bridge City was new, I was a young man with no room for a shop in the small house we were crammed into while I went to graduate school. But I dreamed about a shop and the lovely things I'd make. Along came the Bridge City catalogues. The measuring instruments were things of beauty. They helped me dream. I bought several new and a few used. Still have them. Here's the thing: some of them are fine instruments still, but some have just not stood the test of long use. The early wood and brass mortising scribes and depth gauges are just not the best for a lifetime of work. Some other items, by contrast, are still as nice as they were when purchased. Uneven, is the only way to describe the experience. Also, in the old days with the original Bridge City, they offered an unconditional lifetime warranty to repair and recalibrate, no matter what. Apparently they got into financial trouble and sold the name and assets to a newco for a fresh start. At that time, the warranty changed to a much more limited form. I think it has happened again. I just looked at their web site. They have moved to California and are owned by something called "Harvey Industries." They now refer so-called "legacy tools," to a third party company for repair and refurbishment. So, no warranty for legacy tools. That is about as limited as it gets. Still, as to the relative foolishness of the purchase; I am ambivalent. I have not bought any for at least 20 years. But on the other hand, I admire Norris Infill planes and in the unlikely event that I had the cashto spare when I saw one, might be tempted to buy it. Is that any more practical? Would it really be materially better than my well-fettled Stanleys and Sargents? Reaching far back in memory, but it seems to me that founder, John Economaki, was once a student of James Krenov's. Krenov recommend that he go into tool design and manufacture. That's a pretty good recommendation. He appears to be designing tools still for the new California company. Cheers! Joe |
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267843 | Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> | 2019‑02‑12 | Re: OldTools] Test |
I think he meant FOYBIPO Fraternal Order of Yuppie Bastard Infill Plane Owners, which appears in the archives On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 11:24 AM Don Schwartz |
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267845 | "yorkshireman@y..." <yorkshireman@y...> | 2019‑02‑12 | Re: OldTools] Test |
On 12 Feb 2019, at 19:34, Joseph Sullivan |
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267846 | "Joseph Sullivan" <joe@j...> | 2019‑02‑12 | Re: OldTools] Test |
Edited snip re Norris Planes Seeing as he worked this side of the Atlantic, I feel obliged to do my party piece and point out that his planes were being made here to work ‘exotic’ timbers at a time when the US was in need of masses of Stanley planes to work all that nice clean softwood you were busy cutting down. So to end this ramble - ...Now I’ve used a Norris, I wouoldn’t bother to buy one - Bailey pattern planes with a good heavy blade will do the same job End snip We used a tremendous amount of oak, too, and also hickory and walnut. Still do. My Stanleys and Sargents handle all of that well. Your last point seems to be the operative one. Same with me and Bridge City, lovely though the tools are. Others will do as well for most purposes, better for some. As I said to Cal Meier in a private exchange a couple of hours ago, when I was buying, I was -- against all good sense -- a dead broke graduate student with no shop and a lot of dreams. Now that I have a shop and have had for decades, I no longer feel the pull of the luxury tool to fulfil part of my fantasy. I've used them; now I use other tools to get the result. Cheers! Joe |
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267847 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2019‑02‑13 | Re: OldTools] Test |
On 2019-02-12 4:25 p.m., yorkshireman@y... wrote: > A worthwhile mod is to add lead to the body, around the knob, and alongside the tote mount. Be nice to see a picture, if you have one like that. Don -- A thermometer is not liberal or conservative. - Katharine Hayhoe A good row does wonders for raising interest, and to be 'good' a row must have something to be said on both sides, and a proper issue in the middle." - Rosemary Hill, 'Writing About the Crafts', in The Culture of Craft, Peter Dormer, ed. Being offended doesn't make you right. |
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267848 | Chuck Taylor | 2019‑02‑13 | Re: OldTools] Test |
Thanks, Kirk. That is indeed what I meant. I mis-remembered the acronym. There's a link to the FAQ at the end of each OldTools message. Great reading. I shoulda double-checked before posting. Pass the spittoon! Cheers, Chuck Taylor north of Seattle On Tuesday, February 12, 2019, 1:30:55 PM PST, Kirk Eppler |
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267849 | "Adam R. Maxwell via OldTools" <oldtools@s...> | 2019‑02‑13 | Re: OldTools] Test |
> On Feb 12, 2019, at 11:34 , Joseph Sullivan |
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267850 | Robert Brazile <r.brazile@g...> | 2019‑02‑13 | Re: OldTools] Test |
> > YBIFPO?? > Well, Paddy had it as FOYBIPO, which I assume where that was going. Robert, long-time member, no longer Y. |
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267851 | "yorkshireman@y..." <yorkshireman@y...> | 2019‑02‑13 | Re: OldTools] Test |
Don said… > Be nice to see a picture, if you have one like that. > > Don and THAT made me turn out my copy of Kingshott, which is where I imagined there was a photo, but no, he only shows Norris like builds using of course, the square knob. So I take out my files of cuttings, and begin leafing through (one of those jobs I promised when I gave up the day job - catalogue the files - and much later, much later, after all kinds of snippets of useful information, sketches, published drawings, working drawings by someone making an X04, all kinds of metal plane making, and so much inspirational stuff about furniture. .. well, you get the idea. In the last place I look, I discover the photo I remember, on an article by John Brown, I’ve put some pics here https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c9f873o0nwn544c/AAANRelsjGh16bzlM6fvMV-Da?dl=0 If the link works that is. We were talking about weighty a Bailey - just add metal within the stuffing - the photos don’t show it, but we can all do it. Casting some lead into the body would work, or leave a void in the stuffing and fill it with lead shot with a touch of glue to keep it together - or whatever you fancy. I seem to have a list of about 25 items that never gets short enough to sneak one of these projects into, else I’d have a go. Richard Wilson half a morning gone, but pleased to have a trip back through the press cuttings files - so many of the authors gone by the wayside now, Ryecotewood college, all vanished.. |
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267854 | "yorkshireman@y..." <yorkshireman@y...> | 2019‑02‑13 | Re: OldTools] Test |
Thanks Kirk - I’ve fixed that. None of this images nonsense when we all had 300 baud modems.. R |
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267863 | Thomas Conroy | 2019‑02‑15 | Re: OldTools] Test |
Richard Wilson wrote: "However, their heavy blade and (sometimes) steeper pitch, once set up for work on your mahogany or oak or whatever, are a joy to use. Some of that is in the tote and knob design of course, and I keep wondering whether to experiment by fitting a square knob to a Bailey pattern body. " I did this some years ago, with a Type 15 #3 that had the most ghastly replacement handles I have ever seen. I used walnut for a square front grip with deep grooves around it, but I never got around to replacing the rear grip. I like the comfort of the front bun, since I like to get my weight over the plane and push downward, and I think it looks good; but walnut didn't add much weight to a plane that isn't all that heavy to start with. This is the #3 I would use when I use one, since my conventional Type 11 #3 has a trashed sole; someday I have to get around to replacing that grotesque amateurish oak tote. But over the years I shifted gradually to block planes, wooden smoothers, and much bigger Stanleys. At this point my go-to for a final finish, if my planes were sharp and my bench clear (yeah, sure!) would probably be a #6. In practice I use whichever block plane was sharpened recently. Tom Conroy Berkeley |
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